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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2018 11:28:55 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, As a U.S. tax payer who has paid my taxes on time for many years,,, Where is my tax forgiveness package?? As a person that has paid personal, business taxes,, A bunch of licenses, been a contribution member of society,, Where is my Tax forgiveness?? So we give (we the taxpayer) forgiveness because they were stupid enough to spend money on something that they can not repay now, a bad investment?? If I made a bad investment , are you you going to let me out of my bad decision?? Not even pay the taxes on that gift?? Another thing,, about the poor people being unemployed,, On I-10 in West Phoenix,, McLane, has a sign up,, Stock pickers $18. + an hour.. Some one on the same corner ,, will work for food!!
What kind of community service have you done all these years? And, please, do you really think all the police, firemen, school teachers, and other community services and infrastructure and all sorts of other things you take for granted AND that you've been using and enjoying and that have helped your business should be FREE? Or do you think those things get done out of the kindness of other people's hearts? I assume you know your taxes pay for those things? Right? Or maybe you want to spend a lot of time and effort to contract and pay for all those things on your own (taking up valuable time and resources that you could better spend on your business or personal life)??
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 16, 2018 12:06:30 GMT -5
Wow I found this article kind of horrifying. It's already such a gamble to go into public service and forgo potentially higher income to get loans forgiven. Now people have put in the time only to be left with compounded interest and are so far removed from school that changing to a more lucrative career might not even be possible. that is one of the downsides. A few of the public defenders have had offers from firms, but they can't take them yet. They'd have to pay back a pile of student loans. It's too bad, they're damn good attorneys. Isn't that being penny-wise but pound foolish? If the salary is that much higher, wouldn't it make more sense to take the job and payoff their own student loans? It is even more infuriating to know that people are intentionally keeping low-paying job just for the 10 years so they don't have to pay for their education, only to make the jump into a very lucrative career later.
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Post by swamp on Jul 16, 2018 12:10:50 GMT -5
that is one of the downsides. A few of the public defenders have had offers from firms, but they can't take them yet. They'd have to pay back a pile of student loans. It's too bad, they're damn good attorneys. Isn't that being penny-wise but pound foolish? If the salary is that much higher, wouldn't it make more sense to take the job and payoff their own student loans? It is even more infuriating to know that people are intentionally keeping low-paying job just for the 10 years so they don't have to pay for their education, only to make the jump into a very lucrative career later. The salaries aren't high enough to make it worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 12:11:48 GMT -5
that is one of the downsides. A few of the public defenders have had offers from firms, but they can't take them yet. They'd have to pay back a pile of student loans. It's too bad, they're damn good attorneys. Isn't that being penny-wise but pound foolish? If the salary is that much higher, wouldn't it make more sense to take the job and payoff their own student loans? It is even more infuriating to know that people are intentionally keeping low-paying job just for the 10 years so they don't have to pay for their education, only to make the jump into a very lucrative career later. Because they're forced to do IBR to be in the forgiveness program, by the time they're getting a ways into their 10 year stint the loan balance can be way, way more than they originally took out. If I had two years left and was facing 170K in loans if I quit, I'd stay on for the 2 years!
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 16, 2018 12:23:27 GMT -5
First, let's take a step back - why do we want to teach a kid to play a violin?? Pretty much every good player that I've seen is self-taught - and 6 weeks from an engineer or an accountant wouldn't affect the outcomes. Charlie Pride. Charlie Daniels, Vince Gill. Dozens of others?
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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2018 14:28:09 GMT -5
Isn't the "10 years of public service for loan forgiveness" just a kind of "job perk"? Work at this lower salary for a big benefit later down the road.
You know, a job perk, like tuition reimbursement, maybe like an your employer contributing to a pension (that you do NOT have to contribute to), your employer paying more towards healthcare (to keep your costs down), offering pretax savings for transportation (extra paper work by your employer), any other stuff that's NOT in your Salary number?
No one seems upset by the tradeoffs of getting non-salary perks from their employer?
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 16, 2018 17:03:32 GMT -5
I'm giggling...according to YM, everyone should have engineering or accounting training. Can you imagine an engineer or accountant doing the job of a social worker.
And Phil, is always like "Work smarter, not harder." But, yet, we want to crucify a guy who worked smarter, not harder, by really reading and becoming informed about student loan forgiveness program and using it to his advantage.
Because MUSIC was involved. and SOCIAL WORK.
I think we should have a contest. Give me a kid to teach the violin to for 6 weeks, and have an engineer or accountant try to teach a kid the violin for 6 weeks. See who might actually do a better job of it. I'm guessing it won't be the accountant. But, what do I know, I'm just a dumb music major. Actually, if you conducted a study, you might find that a high proportion of engineers and accountants have backgrounds in music. I recall reading multiple articles that discussed the high correlation between music training and the mathematical ability common to engineers and accountants. (Aren’t meter, rhythm, and harmony a series of mathematical progressions?) From an anecdotal perspective, both my brother, an electrical engineer, and I, holder of a CPA certificate, are also musicians. And members of international award winning musical groups. My siblings, the customer service representative and the graphic artist/marketing specialist, are not musicians. I suspect that you might find a higher incidence of musicians in STEM careers than you may find in social work.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 16, 2018 17:14:54 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, As a U.S. tax payer who has paid my taxes on time for many years,,, Where is my tax forgiveness package?? As a person that has paid personal, business taxes,, A bunch of licenses, been a contribution member of society,, Where is my Tax forgiveness?? So we give (we the taxpayer) forgiveness because they were stupid enough to spend money on something that they can not repay now, a bad investment?? If I made a bad investment , are you you going to let me out of my bad decision?? Not even pay the taxes on that gift?? Another thing,, about the poor people being unemployed,, On I-10 in West Phoenix,, McLane, has a sign up,, Stock pickers $18. + an hour.. Some one on the same corner ,, will work for food!!
What kind of community service have you done all these years? And, please, do you really think all the police, firemen, school teachers, and other community services and infrastructure and all sorts of other things you take for granted AND that you've been using and enjoying and that have helped your business should be FREE? Or do you think those things get done out of the kindness of other people's hearts? I assume you know your taxes pay for those things? Right? Or maybe you want to spend a lot of time and effort to contract and pay for all those things on your own (taking up valuable time and resources that you could better spend on your business or personal life)?? Well, gee. I spent 25 years making the food that you, the fireman, the teacher, the policeman, and other public sector employees, as well as private sector employees, eat. After that, I built the control valves for the municipal water system that provides you with safe drinking water. I kind of think my work provided a service to my community, as well as many other communities. After all, imagine if you had to produce all of your own food and supply yourself with safe water from the lakes, streams, and rivers near your home. Doesn’t the work that each of us does provide some kind of a service to our community?
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 16, 2018 17:34:43 GMT -5
Am I the only one that was in awe on how diligent he had to be to make sure he was qualified and received the student loans?
I am damn, brother put in some serious work, detailing, keeping track, proofreading. It was like another job.
We are no longer on that track (unless things changed and they might) but I kept track of how many qualifying payments we made just in case!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:20:19 GMT -5
Am I the only one that was in awe on how diligent he had to be to make sure he was qualified and received the student loans? I am damn, brother put in some serious work, detailing, keeping track, proofreading. It was like another job. We are no longer on that track (unless things changed and they might) but I kept track of how many qualifying payments we made just in case! No, I got interrupted in a post because we needed to take DH to the doctor, but I thought the guy was smarter than the average bear. Not only was he so diligent, but he also pursued a social work degree to pay off his music degree. No, it wasn't high paying, but he was looking at loan forgiveness all along. I graduated in 1974. Loan forgiveness was available back then for teachers who taught in low-income schools. I don't know the details, but my ex's best friend's wife did it. It had to be a high poverty school, not just be a teacher.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:41:40 GMT -5
phil5185, what I think you are trying to say that there are musical geniuses who need no teachers. That's true of all the "arts" like writers, artists, sculptures, etc. That's also true of athletic geniuses who simply have natural talent. But music shouldn't be limited to geniuses. It is actually beneficial in so many ways. Most of us will never be totally bilingual, but musicians are. They don't break music down into notes (unless they have to). They "read" it seamlessly like most of us think in our native language. It is an exercise for the brain. Also, musicians are actually very good in mathematics. It has to do with intervals, etc. That is why everyone is touting that "I majored in accounting and was a great musician." They tap a similar part of the brain. We need music teachers. We need music in our lives. Civilization grew out of the arts . . . think of cave drawings and ancient epics. They didn't need these guys to help them hunt and gather. But they kept them around to be the historians, etc. They were actually at the center of early cultures. We still need them. Music has been on the cutting edge of change forever.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 16, 2018 22:50:19 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, As a U.S. tax payer who has paid my taxes on time for many years,,, Where is my tax forgiveness package?? As a person that has paid personal, business taxes,, A bunch of licenses, been a contribution member of society,, Where is my Tax forgiveness?? So we give (we the taxpayer) forgiveness because they were stupid enough to spend money on something that they can not repay now, a bad investment?? If I made a bad investment , are you you going to let me out of my bad decision?? Not even pay the taxes on that gift?? Another thing,, about the poor people being unemployed,, On I-10 in West Phoenix,, McLane, has a sign up,, Stock pickers $18. + an hour.. Some one on the same corner ,, will work for food!!
What kind of community service have you done all these years? And, please, do you really think all the police, firemen, school teachers, and other community services and infrastructure and all sorts of other things you take for granted AND that you've been using and enjoying and that have helped your business should be FREE? Or do you think those things get done out of the kindness of other people's hearts? I assume you know your taxes pay for those things? Right? Or maybe you want to spend a lot of time and effort to contract and pay for all those things on your own (taking up valuable time and resources that you could better spend on your business or personal life)?? Hmmm, student loan forgiveness,, They seem to be happy to hand out free money,, I was wondering where was my free money.. As far as the government building my business?? A bunch of bullshit,
Every step of the way the government was there with it's hand out grabbing money,,
adding more regulation,, so they could collect more money employ more worthless people!
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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2018 22:59:03 GMT -5
What kind of community service have you done all these years? And, please, do you really think all the police, firemen, school teachers, and other community services and infrastructure and all sorts of other things you take for granted AND that you've been using and enjoying and that have helped your business should be FREE? Or do you think those things get done out of the kindness of other people's hearts? I assume you know your taxes pay for those things? Right? Or maybe you want to spend a lot of time and effort to contract and pay for all those things on your own (taking up valuable time and resources that you could better spend on your business or personal life)?? Well, gee. I spent 25 years making the food that you, the fireman, the teacher, the policeman, and other public sector employees, as well as private sector employees, eat. After that, I built the control valves for the municipal water system that provides you with safe drinking water. I kind of think my work provided a service to my community, as well as many other communities. After all, imagine if you had to produce all of your own food and supply yourself with safe water from the lakes, streams, and rivers near your home. Doesn’t the work that each of us does provide some kind of a service to our community? So, you're going with socialism or maybe a barter system? Maybe I wasn't clear... I was attempting to say that the taxes one pays generally goes to PAY people for services you the tax payer receive -- those people are at many levels - local, state, federal. That we're all using things our taxes paid for everyday. I'm not sure why anyone would need a 'tax forgiveness' for their personal and business taxes. The whole "free handout amount" isn't as big a you think... and odds are you probably benefit indirectly from all that money going to 'free handouts'. We take a lot for granted here in the US,
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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2018 23:01:09 GMT -5
Am I the only one that was in awe on how diligent he had to be to make sure he was qualified and received the student loans? I am damn, brother put in some serious work, detailing, keeping track, proofreading. It was like another job. We are no longer on that track (unless things changed and they might) but I kept track of how many qualifying payments we made just in case! No. Like I said. I kind of admire the guy. He didn't game the system... he actually followed the course of action that got him to the loan forgiveness.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 16, 2018 23:07:28 GMT -5
Hmmmmm, As a U.S. tax payer who has paid my taxes on time for many years,,, Where is my tax forgiveness package?? As a person that has paid personal, business taxes,, A bunch of licenses, been a contribution member of society,, Where is my Tax forgiveness?? So we give (we the taxpayer) forgiveness because they were stupid enough to spend money on something that they can not repay now, a bad investment?? If I made a bad investment , are you you going to let me out of my bad decision?? Not even pay the taxes on that gift?? Another thing,, about the poor people being unemployed,, On I-10 in West Phoenix,, McLane, has a sign up,, Stock pickers $18. + an hour.. Some one on the same corner ,, will work for food!!
Did you choose to work in an underpaid public service field despite being qualified for a much more lucrative position? Lawyers,,,, The one's that find ways to not prosecute cops who have killed completely innocent unarmed people.,, because of their interpretation of the law,, Even worse ,, the lawyers that wrote the laws that make it impossible to convict the cop that has killed completely innocent unarmed people!! Yes let's give them more rewards,, and make them tax free!!
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Post by Tiny on Jul 16, 2018 23:10:21 GMT -5
What kind of community service have you done all these years? And, please, do you really think all the police, firemen, school teachers, and other community services and infrastructure and all sorts of other things you take for granted AND that you've been using and enjoying and that have helped your business should be FREE? Or do you think those things get done out of the kindness of other people's hearts? I assume you know your taxes pay for those things? Right? Or maybe you want to spend a lot of time and effort to contract and pay for all those things on your own (taking up valuable time and resources that you could better spend on your business or personal life)?? Hmmm, student loan forgiveness,, They seem to be happy to hand out free money,, I was wondering where was my free money.. As far as the government building my business?? A bunch of bullshit,
Every step of the way the government was there with it's hand out grabbing money,,
adding more regulation,, so they could collect more money employ more worthless people!
IT wasn't 'free' money. He spent 10 years working I presume at a lower wage. He spent 10 years constantly managing his loan(s), his payment, and who ever in the government was handling his paperwork. He took on a lot of risk. He followed all the rules. I didn't say the government BUILT your business. But, I'm pretty sure that much of the taxes you paid benefited your business either directly or indirectly. Even those pesky license fees (which probably prohibited some competition at the very least.) As for regulations costing you money - I'm sure you passed that cost on to those who bought your products/services... atleast I thought that was how it worked. I'm sorry you are bitter. you must have quite a horrible life - what with the government taking all your money.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 16, 2018 23:19:06 GMT -5
Hmmm, student loan forgiveness,, They seem to be happy to hand out free money,, I was wondering where was my free money.. As far as the government building my business?? A bunch of bullshit,
Every step of the way the government was there with it's hand out grabbing money,,
adding more regulation,, so they could collect more money employ more worthless people!
IT wasn't 'free' money. He spent 10 years working I presume at a lower wage. He spent 10 years constantly managing his loan(s), his payment, and who ever in the government was handling his paperwork. He took on a lot of risk. He followed all the rules. I didn't say the government BUILT your business. But, I'm pretty sure that much of the taxes you paid benefited your business either directly or indirectly. Even those pesky license fees (which probably prohibited some competition at the very least.) As for regulations costing you money - I'm sure you passed that cost on to those who bought your products/services... atleast I thought that was how it worked. I'm sorry you are bitter. you must have quite a horrible life - what with the government taking all your money. Ahhhh yes, Because he made poor life choices, he can work the system,, Yes, let's reward people that make poor life choices,, penalize those that have not made poor life choices..
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 17, 2018 0:56:31 GMT -5
Well, gee. I spent 25 years making the food that you, the fireman, the teacher, the policeman, and other public sector employees, as well as private sector employees, eat. After that, I built the control valves for the municipal water system that provides you with safe drinking water. I kind of think my work provided a service to my community, as well as many other communities. After all, imagine if you had to produce all of your own food and supply yourself with safe water from the lakes, streams, and rivers near your home. Doesn’t the work that each of us does provide some kind of a service to our community? So, you're going with socialism or maybe a barter system? Maybe I wasn't clear... I was attempting to say that the taxes one pays generally goes to PAY people for services you the tax payer receive -- those people are at many levels - local, state, federal. That we're all using things our taxes paid for everyday. I'm not sure why anyone would need a 'tax forgiveness' for their personal and business taxes. The whole "free handout amount" isn't as big a you think... and odds are you probably benefit indirectly from all that money going to 'free handouts'. We take a lot for granted here in the US, No. But I am pointing out that “community service” is a part of all work. If there was no element of community service, a value to the community, from what we do, people wouldn’t be willing to pay us for the work we perform. That, then, begs the question why politicians decided to reward certain people for the choices they have made? If people weren’t willing to do public sector work for the compensation offered for those jobs, why did they take the job in the first place? And why haven’t they changed career paths since their initial employment? Why sweeten the deal on a retroactive basis? The compensation for public sector jobs reflects the value our society places on that work. Just as our society places a value on private sector work. To create a mechanism that rewards the choices of public sector employees well after those choices were made creates the appearance that politicians are using taxpayer money to buy the favor and votes of public sector employees. That smacks of being unfair to private sector members, who are not rewarded by the politicians for the choices that private sector members have made. In fact, private sector members see themselves as being penalized in order to provide rewards for public sector members. This is the source of private sector resentment over education loan forgiveness for public sector members.
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Post by midjd on Jul 17, 2018 5:51:34 GMT -5
Any private sector employees should feel free to take a job in the public sector so they, too, can take part in these rewards.
Also want to point out that this “vote buying” program was passed into law under George W. Bush.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 17, 2018 6:20:55 GMT -5
IT wasn't 'free' money. He spent 10 years working I presume at a lower wage. He spent 10 years constantly managing his loan(s), his payment, and who ever in the government was handling his paperwork. He took on a lot of risk. He followed all the rules. I didn't say the government BUILT your business. But, I'm pretty sure that much of the taxes you paid benefited your business either directly or indirectly. Even those pesky license fees (which probably prohibited some competition at the very least.) As for regulations costing you money - I'm sure you passed that cost on to those who bought your products/services... atleast I thought that was how it worked. I'm sorry you are bitter. you must have quite a horrible life - what with the government taking all your money. Ahhhh yes, Because he made poor life choices, he can work the system,, Yes, let's reward people that make poor life choices,, penalize those that have not made poor life choices.. We’ve done that since the 60’s.
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Post by swamp on Jul 17, 2018 8:09:01 GMT -5
Did you choose to work in an underpaid public service field despite being qualified for a much more lucrative position? Lawyers,,,, The one's that find ways to not prosecute cops who have killed completely innocent unarmed people.,, because of their interpretation of the law,, Even worse ,, the lawyers that wrote the laws that make it impossible to convict the cop that has killed completely innocent unarmed people!! Yes let's give them more rewards,, and make them tax free!!
And there are some who do find ways to prosecute cops who kill. And others who kill. And rape. And steal. And molest. we have some prosecutors who refuse to prosecute cops, so we do away with prosecutors all together? Yes, that makes perfect sense.
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Post by swamp on Jul 17, 2018 8:14:06 GMT -5
So, you're going with socialism or maybe a barter system? Maybe I wasn't clear... I was attempting to say that the taxes one pays generally goes to PAY people for services you the tax payer receive -- those people are at many levels - local, state, federal. That we're all using things our taxes paid for everyday. I'm not sure why anyone would need a 'tax forgiveness' for their personal and business taxes. The whole "free handout amount" isn't as big a you think... and odds are you probably benefit indirectly from all that money going to 'free handouts'. We take a lot for granted here in the US, No. But I am pointing out that “community service” is a part of all work. If there was no element of community service, a value to the community, from what we do, people wouldn’t be willing to pay us for the work we perform. That, then, begs the question why politicians decided to reward certain people for the choices they have made? If people weren’t willing to do public sector work for the compensation offered for those jobs, why did they take the job in the first place? And why haven’t they changed career paths since their initial employment? Why sweeten the deal on a retroactive basis? The compensation for public sector jobs reflects the value our society places on that work. Just as our society places a value on private sector work. To create a mechanism that rewards the choices of public sector employees well after those choices were made creates the appearance that politicians are using taxpayer money to buy the favor and votes of public sector employees. That smacks of being unfair to private sector members, who are not rewarded by the politicians for the choices that private sector members have made. In fact, private sector members see themselves as being penalized in order to provide rewards for public sector members. This is the source of private sector resentment over education loan forgiveness for public sector members. Thanks for pointing out that my 5 years spent underpaid as an Assistant District ATtorney and a Public Defender were valueless, crap jobs. I'll also tell the child protective case workers who make about $35k to $40k their jobs aren't worth much.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 8:25:32 GMT -5
So, you're going with socialism or maybe a barter system? Maybe I wasn't clear... I was attempting to say that the taxes one pays generally goes to PAY people for services you the tax payer receive -- those people are at many levels - local, state, federal. That we're all using things our taxes paid for everyday. I'm not sure why anyone would need a 'tax forgiveness' for their personal and business taxes. The whole "free handout amount" isn't as big a you think... and odds are you probably benefit indirectly from all that money going to 'free handouts'. We take a lot for granted here in the US, No. But I am pointing out that “community service” is a part of all work. If there was no element of community service, a value to the community, from what we do, people wouldn’t be willing to pay us for the work we perform. That, then, begs the question why politicians decided to reward certain people for the choices they have made? If people weren’t willing to do public sector work for the compensation offered for those jobs, why did they take the job in the first place? And why haven’t they changed career paths since their initial employment? Why sweeten the deal on a retroactive basis? The compensation for public sector jobs reflects the value our society places on that work. Just as our society places a value on private sector work. To create a mechanism that rewards the choices of public sector employees well after those choices were made creates the appearance that politicians are using taxpayer money to buy the favor and votes of public sector employees. That smacks of being unfair to private sector members, who are not rewarded by the politicians for the choices that private sector members have made. In fact, private sector members see themselves as being penalized in order to provide rewards for public sector members. This is the source of private sector resentment over education loan forgiveness for public sector members. You're being rewarded by your employer who is paying you a lot more.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 17, 2018 8:28:53 GMT -5
All or nothing??
Protected Class, Law enforcement! Like the PJ lady, how many months did it take to even file charges?? Still has not come to trial, Yes justice is S L O W L Y be served for for a woman named Justine!! How many cases do you need?? prosecutors, allowing the "Boys In Blue" to walk away whistling Dixie,
I could fill this post with pages of the same thing!!! People die,,, cops walk!!
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Post by midjd on Jul 17, 2018 8:31:21 GMT -5
All or nothing??
Protected Class, Law enforcement! Like the PJ lady, how many months did it take to even file charges?? Still has not come to trial, Yes justice is S L O W L Y be served for for a woman named Justine!! How many cases do you need?? prosecutors, allowing the "Boys In Blue" to walk away whistling Dixie,
I could fill this post with pages of the same thing!!! People die,,, cops walk!!
Please don't. This thread is about Public Service Loan Forgiveness. Try to focus.
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Post by swamp on Jul 17, 2018 8:38:22 GMT -5
All or nothing??
Protected Class, Law enforcement! Like the PJ lady, how many months did it take to even file charges?? Still has not come to trial, Yes justice is S L O W L Y be served for for a woman named Justine!! How many cases do you need?? prosecutors, allowing the "Boys In Blue" to walk away whistling Dixie,
I could fill this post with pages of the same thing!!! People die,,, cops walk!!
cases are assigned numbers. They come up for trial in order. Somestimes they get shifted around slightly to accommodate witnesses, or vacations, or courtroom needs, but you can't put one specific case on teh back burner for years. State court systems have enacted something called "Standards and goals." If a case doesn't get resolved in a certain period of time, the central court office is up your butt to get it done. They don't care who the case involves.
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OldCoyote
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 17, 2018 8:41:12 GMT -5
Public Service jobs, The poor underpaid Public Servant,, really, Why would you take that job if you are so over qualified??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 8:43:51 GMT -5
Public Service jobs, The poor underpaid Public Servant,, really, Why would you take that job if you are so over qualified?? You're right. They should all just quit, who needs them.
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muttleynfelix
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Post by muttleynfelix on Jul 17, 2018 8:46:16 GMT -5
Listen there are costs and benefits to every job. It isn't necessarily a bad decision to take less money. Not everyone can work in the private sector. We need teachers, prosecutors, cops, firefighters, social workers, etc. We need these people. We need people who are willing to serve other people. Life isn't a race to the end and whoever ends up with more wins. You "win" by changing lives. Maybe your calling is designing water systems or running a business or a teacher or a public defender or a social worker. All of those jobs are important. We don't need to put other people down because their strengths are different than yours.
So this guy used student loan forgiveness. He still paid on time on his loans for 10 years. You aren't a victim for him using a program the way it was designed to be used.
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OldCoyote
Senior Associate
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 10:34:48 GMT -5
Posts: 13,449
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Post by OldCoyote on Jul 17, 2018 8:47:58 GMT -5
Public Service jobs, The poor underpaid Public Servant,, really, Why would you take that job if you are so over qualified?? You're right. They should all just quit, who needs them. Half could quit, and We wouldn't know the difference, from the amount of work they do.
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