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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 1, 2018 13:26:47 GMT -5
I really don't understand what people are thinking, but we absolutely do not need all these individual threads about why (generic) you post here.
So, this is now the one place those will go and all the existing threads will be merged in this one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 1, 2018 13:28:40 GMT -5
uh....we were ASKED to start our own threads, moon. it wasn't just some spontaneous uprising.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 1, 2018 13:37:29 GMT -5
Virgil- thanks for the long thoughtful post. but i think you are way off the mark. i will go through one point at a time and say why: ... I see no point in dissecting the past here, and I can't see into the future. How about this? If, in future, based on the above rubric, I judge you to be exhibiting hostility, punditry, etc. as opposed to a passive willingness to learn, I'll briefly remark on it a few times. If I don't remark on anything, you can conclude I agree your assessment. If I remark frequently, it may afford some perspective on where your "rough edges" are. Ordinarily in the spirit of fairness I'd invite you to do the same for me, but I have no desire to limit my interactions to passive learning. In other words, there's no point in calling attention to my punditry since I'm making no effort to avoid it. If you'd prefer I not make such remarks, all the better. However, you can't safely assume that I'm not perceiving you as hostile. The same goes for everyone else, of course. Regrettably, we have very little flexibility in divorcing our posting style from others' perceptions of whether we're disrespecting their input, intellect, etc. Likewise, we have little flexibility in divorcing the intended meaning of our sentences from their literal interpretation.
Communicating ideas clearly is the responsibility of the author.
My way of "dealing with it" is to conclude: this author is using profanity to emphasize a point at the expense of maintaining a calm, academic tone. Profanity is also one of the biggest red flags for "This individual lacks the ability to articulate his ideas." and "This individual is uninterested in being perceived as objective."
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 1, 2018 13:38:31 GMT -5
Well that should have been run by me. Truthfully, none of this even belongs here to begin with.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 1, 2018 13:40:48 GMT -5
Well that should have been run by me. Truthfully, none of this even belongs here to begin with. I also had a thread on "Why do you post in P/CE?", but it was from a month ago. I don't see any point in merging it into this thread.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 1, 2018 13:41:21 GMT -5
Well that should have been run by me. Truthfully, none of this even belongs here to begin with.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 1, 2018 13:43:46 GMT -5
Well that should have been run by me. Truthfully, none of this even belongs here to begin with. I also had a thread on "Why do you post in P/CE?", but it was from a month ago. I don't see any point in merging it into this thread.
And ONE thread for all is different from the 7-8 that I merged together here.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 1, 2018 13:47:45 GMT -5
I also had a thread on "Why do you post in P/CE?", but it was from a month ago. I don't see any point in merging it into this thread.
And ONE thread for all is different from the 7-8 that I merged together here.And there is significant difference with "Why do you ..." and "Why I ..."
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 1, 2018 13:50:45 GMT -5
I also had a thread on "Why do you post in P/CE?", but it was from a month ago. I don't see any point in merging it into this thread.
And ONE thread for all is different from the 7-8 that I merged together here.I'm not critical of the merge. Just a heads up that we might get "Why isn't Virgil's thread included in the merge?" a-wailin' from odd quarters. What I want to know is where all these thread-starters were when my thread was struggling for life? Was it not good enough for you people?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 1, 2018 13:50:54 GMT -5
Well that should have been run by me. Truthfully, none of this even belongs here to begin with. well, since all of the responses are now disconnected from the threads, with no way of knowing who is responding to what, you have basically made dada poetry out of something that everyone here seemed to feel had value. of course, that is your choice. you're the boss. but i fervently disagree with it, ftr. presuming i can voice that......
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 1, 2018 13:59:17 GMT -5
Virgil- thanks for the long thoughtful post. but i think you are way off the mark. i will go through one point at a time and say why: ... I see no point in dissecting the past here, and I can't see into the future. How about this? If, in future, based on the above rubric, I judge you to be exhibiting hostility, punditry, etc. as opposed to a passive willingness to learn, I'll briefly remark on it a few times. If I don't remark on anything, you can conclude I agree your assessment. If I remark frequently, it may afford some perspective on where your "rough edges" are. Ordinarily in the spirit of fairness I'd invite you to do the same for me, but I have no desire to limit my interactions to passive learning. In other words, there's no point in calling attention to my punditry since I'm making no effort to avoid it. If you'd prefer I not make such remarks, all the better. However, you can't safely assume that I'm not perceiving you as hostile. The same goes for everyone else, of course. Regrettably, we have very little flexibility in divorcing our posting style from others' perceptions of whether we're disrespecting their input, intellect, etc. Likewise, we have little flexibility in divorcing the intended meaning of our sentences from their literal interpretation.
Communicating ideas clearly is the responsibility of the author.
My way of "dealing with it" is to conclude: this author is using profanity to emphasize a point at the expense of maintaining a calm, academic tone. Profanity is also one of the biggest red flags for "This individual lacks the ability to articulate his ideas." and "This individual is uninterested in being perceived as objective."
I don't make Western social norms. I just follow them.
Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 1, 2018 14:08:37 GMT -5
I see no point in dissecting the past here, and I can't see into the future. How about this? If, in future, based on the above rubric, I judge you to be exhibiting hostility, punditry, etc. as opposed to a passive willingness to learn, I'll briefly remark on it a few times. If I don't remark on anything, you can conclude I agree your assessment. If I remark frequently, it may afford some perspective on where your "rough edges" are. Ordinarily in the spirit of fairness I'd invite you to do the same for me, but I have no desire to limit my interactions to passive learning. In other words, there's no point in calling attention to my punditry since I'm making no effort to avoid it. If you'd prefer I not make such remarks, all the better. However, you can't safely assume that I'm not perceiving you as hostile. The same goes for everyone else, of course. Regrettably, we have very little flexibility in divorcing our posting style from others' perceptions of whether we're disrespecting their input, intellect, etc. Likewise, we have little flexibility in divorcing the intended meaning of our sentences from their literal interpretation.
Communicating ideas clearly is the responsibility of the author.
My way of "dealing with it" is to conclude: this author is using profanity to emphasize a point at the expense of maintaining a calm, academic tone. Profanity is also one of the biggest red flags for "This individual lacks the ability to articulate his ideas." and "This individual is uninterested in being perceived as objective."
I don't make Western social norms. I just follow them.
Swearing Is Actually a Sign of More Intelligence - Not Less - Say Scientists www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientiststhanks, weltz. it can be said that swearing is often MORE CLEAR than other means, as well.
there is a great deal that is wrong with Virgil's response. but here is the thing- since i would be put into a position of defending myself, and since personal discussions are boring to me and everyone else on the board, i am not going to do that. what posters choose to do in the exercise of their judgment is THEIR concern. one can choose to consider the perspective of another poster even if you have previously summarily dismissed them. one can set their biases and bigotry aside and judge someone afresh. or, one can take the summation of their negative experiences with an individual, and decide that it is no longer worth their time to respond to them. i find either of those things acceptable. we all have lives to lead, and i understand completely the pressures of modern life on our ever shrinking days. and ultimately, we are not in control of the perceptions of others. they will bring their own biases to the table, which no amount of effort can overcome. and that is just something we all have to figure out how to deal with. we will each find our own way that works best for us. mine will be to ignore any responses to this post.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 1, 2018 14:55:55 GMT -5
Who are we talking about?
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Post by mmhmm on Jun 1, 2018 15:13:48 GMT -5
uh....we were ASKED to start our own threads, moon. it wasn't just some spontaneous uprising. Thing is, you weren't asked by staff to do this and I haven't noticed a previous tendency in any of you to automatically do as other posters ask you to do - until now.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 1, 2018 15:18:51 GMT -5
Well that should have been run by me. Truthfully, none of this even belongs here to begin with. well, since all of the responses are now disconnected from the threads, with no way of knowing who is responding to what, you have basically made dada poetry out of something that everyone here seemed to feel had value. of course, that is your choice. you're the boss. but i fervently disagree with it, ftr. presuming i can voice that......
Sorry .. it merges in chronological order.
Clearly it's just a me thing, but I also don't understand why anyone cares why anyone else posts on P&M. There have also been a lot of the posts in these various threads that contain no substance whatsoever. They're not political at all or even reasons why they post on this board. I'm honestly baffled.
presuming i can voice that.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 1, 2018 15:29:05 GMT -5
I respect the decision and apologize for starting my thread. It was a joke and, you are right, there wasn't much "substance" in it. However, I found the kidding around and just having some fun a refreshing change from the name calling and hysteria that is the norm these days. If that is what "substance" is, I'll pass.
Sorry again and I'm glad to delete all my posts since they really don't meet the standards of the otherwise highly intelligent posts around here.
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Post by moon/Laura on Jun 1, 2018 15:34:08 GMT -5
Sure, it's nice to have a change. My point was that this wasn't really the place to do it, 8 threads worth, is all.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 1, 2018 15:35:32 GMT -5
Sure, it's nice to have a change. My point was that this wasn't really the place to do it, 8 threads worth, is all. Agreed and thanks. If was definitely not the right place. Now if we could just limit the "Look what Trump Said" threads to 8 or less a day, it would be wonderful.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 1, 2018 16:41:59 GMT -5
Sure, it's nice to have a change. My point was that this wasn't really the place to do it, 8 threads worth, is all. Agreed and thanks. If was definitely not the right place. Now if we could just limit the "Look what Trump Said" threads to 8 or less a day, it would be wonderful. It would be even more wonderful if President Trump would limit to 8 or less a day "interesting" comments.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 1, 2018 17:58:06 GMT -5
Sure, it's nice to have a change. My point was that this wasn't really the place to do it, 8 threads worth, is all. Agreed and thanks. If was definitely not the right place. Now if we could just limit the "Look what Trump Said" threads to 8 or less a day, it would be wonderful. A good start would be Trump not saying at least 8 stupid things a day.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 1, 2018 18:06:43 GMT -5
Ah yes....a laudable goal...one that perhaps others should aspire to reach.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 1, 2018 18:16:52 GMT -5
ibid.: In fact, a study by psychologists from Marist College found links between how fluent a person is in the English language and how fluent they are in swearing.
The former - verbal fluency - can be measured by asking volunteers to think of as many words beginning with a certain letter of the alphabet as they can in 1 minute.
People with greater language skills can generally think of more examples in the allotted time. Based on this approach, the researchers created the swearing fluency task. This task requires volunteers to list as many different swear words as they can think of in 1 minute.
By comparing scores from both the verbal and swearing fluency tasks, it was found that the people who scored highest on the verbal fluency test also tended to do best on the swearing fluency task. The weakest in the verbal fluency test also did poorly on the swearing fluency task. Oh my. People who know more words in English tend to know more swear words in English. Be still my beating heart. Ergo we conclude, "swearing appears to be a feature of language that an articulate speaker can use in order to communicate with maximum effectiveness". Not a non-sequitur at all. No sir. How do these people get funding?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 1, 2018 18:21:54 GMT -5
They probably swear at people until they give them money to shut up.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jun 1, 2018 18:24:46 GMT -5
In other news: researchers conclude drug addiction leads to medical brilliance.
Doctors with greater medical fluency--the ability to name as many treatments as possible in a minute--exhibited greater illegal drug fluency--ability to name more illegal drugs in a minute.
The conclusion: illegal drug use appears to be a feature of medical excellence that a trained physician can use in order to practice with maximum effectiveness.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 1, 2018 18:49:29 GMT -5
In other news: researchers conclude drug addiction leads to medical brilliance. Doctors with greater medical fluency--the ability to name as many treatments as possible in a minute--exhibited greater illegal drug fluency--ability to name more illegal drugs in a minute. The conclusion: illegal drug use appears to be a feature of medical excellence that a trained physician can use in order to practice with maximum effectiveness. Sharing THIS is why you post in P & M?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jun 1, 2018 18:58:25 GMT -5
I think that ship sailed late this morning.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 1, 2018 22:03:31 GMT -5
uh....we were ASKED to start our own threads, moon. it wasn't just some spontaneous uprising. Thing is, you weren't asked by staff to do this and I haven't noticed a previous tendency in any of you to automatically do as other posters ask you to do - until now. begging your pardon, but nobody here asks permission of management before starting threads, ttbomk. & i fail to see how starting independent threads on the same topic violates the TAC in any way. enlighten me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 1, 2018 22:06:57 GMT -5
well, since all of the responses are now disconnected from the threads, with no way of knowing who is responding to what, you have basically made dada poetry out of something that everyone here seemed to feel had value. of course, that is your choice. you're the boss. but i fervently disagree with it, ftr. presuming i can voice that......
Sorry .. it merges in chronological order.
Clearly it's just a me thing, but I also don't understand why anyone cares why anyone else posts on P&M. There have also been a lot of the posts in these various threads that contain no substance whatsoever. They're not political at all or even reasons why they post on this board. I'm honestly baffled.
presuming i can voice that. that snark was not necessary, nor was it "good leadership". imo. i was being deferential. you can voice whatever you like. you have absolute authority here, moon. is there a requirement that everything here HAS to be political? wow.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 1, 2018 22:11:49 GMT -5
In other news: researchers conclude drug addiction leads to medical brilliance. Doctors with greater medical fluency--the ability to name as many treatments as possible in a minute--exhibited greater illegal drug fluency--ability to name more illegal drugs in a minute. The conclusion: illegal drug use appears to be a feature of medical excellence that a trained physician can use in order to practice with maximum effectiveness. Sharing THIS is why you post in P & M? it would be a more interesting counter-example if it were even plausibly true.
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Post by retread on Jun 2, 2018 7:56:25 GMT -5
Well dj did bring a flower. Some flowers are edible. Just sayin' That's good news. While you are doing the yard work, you can pick us some dinner. Stay away from the dandelions. Mom likes to make wine from them and when she drinks..... I did reach through the fence and get some beans our neighbor had planted. And some purple berries. I plan to squish the berries and soak the beans in the purple juice to make them magic colored. I know someone with a cow. After some wheelin' and dealin' we'll have milk tomorrow!
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