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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 22:22:11 GMT -5
If you really want to know about oppressive governmental tyranny, ask black people. In the South. They know ALL about it. Yup... they sure do... some of them do anyway.
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Post by dondub on Sept 11, 2017 13:12:18 GMT -5
I agree... but for the record, the only hatred I have is for the destruction of the facts of history... and being accused of being someone that "revels" in racist symbols (which they got the symbol wrong and insulted it too... but that's for for another rant).
You could always just read my post and figure out your reading comprehension needs a pencil sharpener.
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Post by dondub on Sept 11, 2017 13:16:29 GMT -5
It's the flag of freedom from oppressive governmental tyranny.
In your opinion. Others view it as representing racism, divisiveness, treason, slavery, and the inability of the losers to get over it already.
It's time to move on...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 11, 2017 13:21:29 GMT -5
Some others feel that way. I understand that it's been "bastardized " but that doesn't make it wrong for Richard to want his flag. I'm not a fan of the nazi flag but remember the symbolism that it was before being desecrated. I'm not going to fly one though. I feel the need to correct this because I didn't know this information until I went to Malayasia and toured a Hindu temple. People were getting all riled up because their were "Nazi" symbols everywhere! The Nazi swastika is a backwards swastika. Since it is the inverse of the Hindu swastika it's meaning is also inverse. Go to wikipedia and they present both images so you can really see what I am talking about. Just a friendly PSA because I didn't know that before and it's been handy as I continue to work with an increasingly international group of people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 21:16:52 GMT -5
It's the flag of freedom from oppressive governmental tyranny.
In your opinion. Others view it as representing racism, divisiveness, treason, slavery, and the inability of the losers to get over it already.
It's time to move on... "Others" are wrong. Factually proven. I don't argue that that's not their opinion though... Opinions can be wrong. Facts can't be. It's never "time to move on" from wanting freedom from an oppressive tyrannical government. Maybe the "losers" who refuse to "move on" know something that you don't...
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Post by dondub on Sept 11, 2017 21:36:21 GMT -5
Then again, those losers that still want to fight the war they lost over 150 years ago and screech about 'oppressive, tyrannical government' while defending the racist, divisive, treasonous, slavery supporting flag symbol, should keep doing that instead of finding some healing a century and a half later, as it provides excellent comic relief.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 5:30:44 GMT -5
Then again, those losers that still want to fight the war they lost over 150 years ago and screech about 'oppressive, tyrannical government' while defending the racist, divisive, treasonous, slavery supporting flag symbol, should keep doing that instead of finding some healing a century and a half later, as it provides excellent comic relief.
Methinks you are confused. No one that I know of is defending any "racist, divisive, treasonous, slavery supporting flag symbol". And what this conversation provides is sadness for the erasure of the truth and facts of history... There's an old saying "Those that fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it". I'm sad that you want us to repeat something as evil as that.
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Post by dondub on Sept 12, 2017 12:23:33 GMT -5
Methinks I am laughing.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 12, 2017 12:38:28 GMT -5
We Legitimize the ‘So-Called’ Confederacy With Our Vocabulary, and That’s a Problem
Tearing down monuments is only the beginning to understanding the false narrative of Jim Crow As the debate escalates over how we publicly remember the Civil War following the tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia, the passionate and contentious disputes have centered on symbols like monuments, street names and flags. According to a study by the Southern Poverty Law Center, at least 1,503 symbols to the Confederacy are displayed in public spaces, mostly in the South and the Border States, but even in decidedly Yankee locales like Massachusetts. Most of these monuments sprang from the Lost Cause tradition that developed in the wake of the war, during the establishment of white supremacist Jim Crow laws around 1900, and as a response to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s. Those artifacts are not the only way we legitimize and honor the deadly and racist 19th-century rebellion against the United States. Much of the language used in reference to the Civil War glorifies the rebel cause. The language we turn to in describing the war, from speaking of compromise and plantations, to characterizing the struggle as the North versus the South, or referring to Robert E. Lee as a General, can lend legitimacy to the violent, hateful and treasonous southern rebellion that tore the nation apart from 1861 to 1865; and from which we still have not recovered. Why do we often describe the struggle as between two equal entities? Why have we shown acceptance of the military rank given by an illegitimate rebellion and unrecognized political entity? In recent years, historians in academia and in the public sphere have been considering these issues. Historian Michael Landis suggests professional scholars should seek to change the language we use in interpreting and teaching history. He agrees with people like legal scholar Paul Finkelman and historian Edward Baptist when they suggest the Compromise of 1850 be more accurately referred to as an Appeasement. The latter word precisely reflects the sway that Southern slaveholders held in the bargain. Landis goes on to suggest that we call plantations what they really were—slave labor camps; and drop the use of the term, “the Union.” A common usage in the 19th century to be sure, but now one we only use “the Union” in reference to the Civil War and on the day of the State of the Union address. A better way to speak of the nation during the war, he argues, is to use its name, the United States. In the same way, we could change the way we refer to secessionist states. When we talk of the Union versus the Confederacy, or especially when we present the strife as the North versus the South, we set up a parallel dichotomy in which the United States is cast as equal to the Confederate States of America. But was the Confederacy really a nation and should we refer to it as such? Complete article here: We Legitimize the ‘So-Called’ Confederacy With Our Vocabulary, and That’s a Problem
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Post by dondub on Sept 12, 2017 13:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 12, 2017 15:09:08 GMT -5
Let's not forget there were also slaves in the north and the slaves were not freed in the border states only those states that rebelled.
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Post by dondub on Sept 12, 2017 15:56:34 GMT -5
Many of the northern states had freed their slaves. Some hadn't. But I have it on an incredible, well researched, facts and truth individual that had very little if anything at all to do with the Civil War. Doncha'know?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 12, 2017 16:06:22 GMT -5
The North was hardly the sainted defender of social justice history makes them out to be. But neither was the South simply downtrodden people who were defending freedom of state either.
It's the same thing we've done with the story of the Pilgrims. They aren't evil incarnate but they sure as hell weren't the nice peaceful people looking to escape religious freedom that we portray them as in children's stories either.
This is what happens when we choose to gloss over the ugly parts and start believing the pretty myth instead. It's been real interesting to read books where people are starting to stop glossing over the nasty bits and embrace the real tangled mess that is human history.
I wish I could remember the titles but a couple I read were about Billy the kid and Mary Todd Lincoln. There's another at the library about Robert e Lee I really want to read too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:01:41 GMT -5
They would first have to HAVE "racist symbols" though... wouldn't they? The symbols of the Confederacy are not and were not racist... no matter what lies and re-writing of history you have bought into.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:04:32 GMT -5
This brings to mind a Star Wars quote... You laugh at the demise of truth, as well as our course to repeat the errors that brought about the Civil War.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:18:21 GMT -5
Let's not forget there were also slaves in the north and the slaves were not freed in the border states only those states that rebelled. Many people forget that two Northern States never outlawed slavery... until federal law removed it with the 13th Amendment. (since those two states had slavery, and slavery was supposed to have been the issue... I wonder why they didn't join the Confederacy? Maybe because the issue wasn't actually slavery? What a thought!) Remembering those facts is inconvenient to those that want to whine the "It was all about slavery" BS.
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