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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 20:08:09 GMT -5
Apparently they learned from the people that re-wrote history how to re-write history. (I've never argued that slavery didn't exist, it's just a fact that it wasn't the sole and singular reason for the Civil War that many historical revisionists would have you believe... Matter of fact, as "Reasons for the war" go, it was pretty far down the list... and not even on the list for some states that seceded) Regardless of the reasons, Lincoln made the statement that he would not reunite with slavery intact, and the South retorted that they would conced on other issues, but would never give up slavery. So, like any conflict, many things can get worked out, but one issue is the true crux of the matter. I don't disagree that he said that However, that must be taken with a grain of salt and as an after effect of the war itself when peaceful readmittance was already a moot point, because I can point to several instances where he promised to not go after slavery or defended the legality of it. (case in point, his inaugural address, and a few others): "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861. "Do the people of the South really entertain fears that a Republican administration would, directly, or indirectly, interfere with their slaves, or with them, about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you, as once a friend, and still, I hope, not an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume IV, "Letter to Alexander H. Stephens" (December 22, 1860), p. 160. "I hold it to be a paramount duty of us in the free states, due to the Union of the states, and perhaps to liberty itself (paradox though it may seem) to let the slavery of the other states alone; while, on the other hand, I hold it to be equally clear, that we should never knowingly lend ourselves directly or indirectly, to prevent that slavery from dying a natural death---to find new places for it to live in, when it can no longer exist in the old." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Letter to Williamson Durley" (October 3, 1845), p. 348. SOURCE
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 20:12:05 GMT -5
Although it's a fact the Confederate flag is used as a racist symbol, it's Richard's opinion that it isn't one. Correction: Although it's YOUR opinion that the Confederate flag is used as a racist symbol, it's Richard's opinion that racists are wrongly appropriating it because they, just like you, don't realize what it actually stands for. I don't blame the symbol for misuse by others. It's not the fault of the symbol. ETA: White Supremacists use the Cross, The Bible, and the American flag as symbols too... are they racist as well? You can't have it both ways... either they are all racist symbols now, or none of them are.
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Post by dondub on Aug 13, 2017 20:27:55 GMT -5
The flag is used as a racist symbol by racists. It doesn't do it by itself! If racists are "wrongly appropriating it" they realize that what it actually stands for, for them, may differ from Richard's opinion.
Their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag can be construed as racist as that is what they are as people. But in general, no, those are not racist symbols.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 20:35:43 GMT -5
Although it's a fact the Confederate flag is used as a racist symbol, it's Richard's opinion that it isn't one. It's also Richard's opinion that white privilege doesn't exist. Things that make you go "hmmm." I had a nice long rebuttal all typed out, including irrefutable proof that it doesn't exist... and then decided you don't want to know the truth, so why should I bother.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 20:40:23 GMT -5
The flag is used as a racist symbol by racists. It doesn't do it by itself! If racists are "wrongly appropriating it" they realize that what it actually stands for, for them, may differ from Richard's opinion.
Their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag can be construed as racist as that is what they are as people. But in general, no, those are not racist symbols. So which is it... is their use of a symbol cause to make that symbol racist... yes or no? Because if it doesn't make the Cross, The Bible, or the American flag racist... then it doesn't make the Confederate flag racist either.
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Post by dondub on Aug 14, 2017 10:26:25 GMT -5
In your singular opinion. I see this:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible Americans=Stars and Stripes Racist=Confederate flag
Yes, their use of the Confederate flag makes that a racist symbol. They don't care whether you like that or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:38:21 GMT -5
In your singular opinion. I see this:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible Americans=Stars and Stripes Racist=Confederate flag
Yes, their use of the Confederate flag makes that a racist symbol. They don't care whether you like that or not. Le sigh.... This is not rocket science. If their use of the flag makes it racist... then their use of the Cross makes the Cross racist, their use of The Bible makes The Bible racist, and their use of the American flag makes the American flag racist. Do you see all of them as racist? I bet you don't. Your BS "their us of the CONFEDERATE flag makes it racist" is nothing but a BS claim if the exact same usage doesn't make the other things racist. So... one last time... since they use them ALL, are ALL OF THEM racist? Yes, or No?
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Post by tallguy on Aug 14, 2017 19:48:51 GMT -5
So all five states cited slavery and the "hostility" of the non-slaveholding states to the institution of slavery as a primary if not the only real cause of their declarations to secede, though Virginia went into little detail. Mississippi had as the second sentence of their declaration: Yeah, sounds about right. One wonders how anybody could rationalize it differently.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 14, 2017 19:55:33 GMT -5
@richardintn I understand and appreciate your explanation of people displaying the Confederate flag. I also see the side that says it represents racism. In my experience with people displaying it they are outwardly racist and don't deny it. That hurts the idea of being able to display a flag you are proud of for it's history.
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So all five states cited slavery and the "hostility" of the non-slaveholding states to the institution of slavery as a primary if not the only real cause of their declarations to secede, though Virginia went into little detail. Mississippi had as the second sentence of their declaration: Yeah, sounds about right. One wonders how anybody could rationalize it differently. Umm... you do realize that more than 5 states seceded... yes? And there's also such a thing as "political grandstanding"... maybe you are unfamiliar with that concept. ETA: And, again, I never said slavery wasn't AN issue. It's just that it's not THE issue that everyone wants to make it out to be. It was one of many issues.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 14, 2017 20:59:41 GMT -5
So all five states cited slavery and the "hostility" of the non-slaveholding states to the institution of slavery as a primary if not the only real cause of their declarations to secede, though Virginia went into little detail. Mississippi had as the second sentence of their declaration: Yeah, sounds about right. One wonders how anybody could rationalize it differently. Umm... you do realize that more than 5 states seceded... yes? And there's also such a thing as "political grandstanding"... maybe you are unfamiliar with that concept. ETA: And, again, I never said slavery wasn't AN issue. It's just that it's not THE issue that everyone wants to make it out to be. It was one of many issues.Except that it was tied to or interwoven with almost all of them. And the five states refers to those whose declarations were in the quoted link.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 23:26:54 GMT -5
Umm... you do realize that more than 5 states seceded... yes? And there's also such a thing as "political grandstanding"... maybe you are unfamiliar with that concept. ETA: And, again, I never said slavery wasn't AN issue. It's just that it's not THE issue that everyone wants to make it out to be. It was one of many issues.Except that it was tied to or interwoven with almost all of them. And the five states refers to those whose declarations were in the quoted link. Bolded: But do you know why the other states aren't mentioned in that link? Here's a hint: There's no mention of slavery in their secession documents. That's what happens when you don't look at ALL the facts, you get a blurred and smudged and inaccurate picture. Unbolded: Really? Pray tell how it was tied in with trade deals with foreign countries. How was it tied in to illegal invasion of sovereign states (the reason that Missouri seceded). How was it tied into unfair tariffs that benefited the North at the expense of the South? As a "State's Right" issue... I get how you could say "it's tied into 'State's rights'." so I won't go into that one... except to say that the Civil War (and the South losing it) is one of the reasons that the Federal Government is so strong and State's Rights don't really exist anymore. Now, because of the obliteration of the fight for State's Rights, everything "state" answers to the federal government in one way or another. Cases in point: Department of Education, Department of Transportation, the FEDERAL E.P.A.... none of which had any power (or even existed) as FEDERAL entities before the Civil. War. Granted... in most cases it's turned out to be good that states can't act independently for the most part... but it's the difference between "the United States" and "The United States"... the first one is a loose association, along the lines of the European Union... and the second one is the Current U.S., with one overarching government, setting laws and doctrine and minimum qualities for all. (one of the reasons I think it was stupid of the south to secede... a strong federal government is important to securing the rights and freedoms of all... but it comes at a cost... we must be wary that it isn't used to take away the rights and freedoms of all at the same time.)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 1:58:49 GMT -5
Not all states had original written terms of Secession. Done were oral. Louisiana Governor Thomas Moore, 1860-1864: “I do not think it comports with the honor and respect of Louisiana, as a slaveholding state, to live under the government of a black Republican” www.knowla.org/entry.php?rec=937Florida Governor Madison Starke Perry, 1857-1861 “A President has recently been elected, an obscure and illiterate man without experience in public affairs or any general reputation mainly if not exclusively on account of a settled and often proclaimed hostility to our institutions and a fixed purpose to abolish them. It is denied that it is the purpose of the party soon to enter into the possession of the powers of the Federal Government to abolish slavery by any direct legislative act. This has never been charged by any one. But it has been announced by all the leading men and presses of the party that the ultimate accomplishment of this result is its settled purpose and great central principle.”
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 2:47:23 GMT -5
Tennessee Governor Isham Harris, 1857-1862 7th January, 1861
“The systematic, wanton, and long continued agitation of the slavery question, with the actual and threatened aggressions of the Northern States and a portion of their people, upon the well-defined constitutional rights of the Southern citizen; the rapid growth and increase, in all the elements of power, of a purely sectional party, whose bond of union is uncompromising hostility to the rights and institutions of the fifteen Southern States, have produced a crisis in the affairs of the country, unparalleled in the history of the past, resulting already in the withdrawal from the Confederacy of one of the sovereignties which composed it”
I can continue... ?
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Post by dondub on Aug 15, 2017 11:00:58 GMT -5
Le sigh....
This is not rocket science.
If their use of the flag makes it racist... then their use of the Cross makes the Cross racist, their use of The Bible makes The Bible racist, and their use of the American flag makes the American flag racist.
Do you see all of them as racist? I bet you don't. Your BS "their us of the CONFEDERATE flag makes it racist" is nothing but a BS claim if the exact same usage doesn't make the other things racist.
So... one last time... since they use them ALL, are ALL OF THEM racist? Yes, or No?
I believe I already answered you but your reading comprehension must be off. Here it is again:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible
Americans=Stars and Stripes
Racist=Confederate flag
Yes, their use of the Confederate flag makes that a racist symbol. They don't care whether you like that or not.
No, their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag do not make those racist. Your BS claim is a lonely opinion made by a Confederate apologist sporting a racist symbol in his avatar.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Aug 15, 2017 13:39:38 GMT -5
You mean there are actually people that have different opinions than you about the Civil War? Those damn Yankee revisionists! I don't doubt there are people with different opinions than me on that war... I'm a southerner that thinks it was stupid to secede in the first place. And it's not just Yankees that are revisionist on it... but you know that already. If your concerned about revisionism, I'm assuming that you have conducted primary research of your own in this?
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 15, 2017 13:54:38 GMT -5
1. Regarding the OP, people say stupid shit. No one really thinks the south is going to succeed. Some in California have been calling for succession too but no one thinks that's going to happen either. So I'm not sure why we're even discussing this. What is there to discuss?
2. I agree with VB in that slavery as the sole cause of the civil war is a oversimplification. But it definitely was a major factor. But I'm not sure why it matters in 2017 either way, the civil war is history.
3. Regarding the confederate flag, its nothing more than a symbol. And like any symbol, it only has the power that people give it.
4. Even if we ignore the moral argument against slavery, it's just not economical in modern times. We just don't have an agrarian society anymore that requires vast amounts of unskilled labor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 21:25:35 GMT -5
Le sigh....
This is not rocket science.
If their use of the flag makes it racist... then their use of the Cross makes the Cross racist, their use of The Bible makes The Bible racist, and their use of the American flag makes the American flag racist.
Do you see all of them as racist? I bet you don't. Your BS "their us of the CONFEDERATE flag makes it racist" is nothing but a BS claim if the exact same usage doesn't make the other things racist.
So... one last time... since they use them ALL, are ALL OF THEM racist? Yes, or No?
I believe I already answered you but your reading comprehension must be off. Here it is again:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible
Americans=Stars and Stripes
Racist=Confederate flag
Yes, their use of the Confederate flag makes that a racist symbol. They don't care whether you like that or not.
No, their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag do not make those racist. Your BS claim is a lonely opinion made by a Confederate apologist sporting a racist symbol in his avatar.
You are going with "I can't make my point because it's bullshit, and I know it... so I won't answer your question" then... fine. Suit yourself. I'm not asking it again, just to be not actually answered again. And there's no racist symbol in my avatar... so I don't know who you think you are referring to. Maybe you got confused because you didn't use the "quote" function of the board.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 21:29:20 GMT -5
I don't doubt there are people with different opinions than me on that war... I'm a southerner that thinks it was stupid to secede in the first place. And it's not just Yankees that are revisionist on it... but you know that already. If your concerned about revisionism, I'm assuming that you have conducted primary research of your own in this? I've done research on the Civil War for over 40 years. I'm ravenous for facts about it. That's how I know it wasn't all about slavery... because I have seen the proof in microfiche and reproduced letters and articles of the time itself... back well before the internet, Back when you had to do the tedious work of finding stuff that was real, and not just a bunch of BS garbage opinion found on the internet... contrary to the State Farm belief... you actually CAN'T trust the internet for the truth.
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Post by dondub on Aug 16, 2017 12:11:07 GMT -5
You are going with "I can't make my point because it's bullshit, and I know it... so I won't answer your question" then... fine. Suit yourself. I'm not asking it again, just to be not actually answered again.
And there's no racist symbol in my avatar... so I don't know who you think you are referring to. Maybe you got confused because you didn't use the "quote" function of the board.
I have answered your sainted question 3 times now. Your reading comprehension this week has been sub par.
There is this one:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible
Americans=Stars and Stripes
Racist=Confederate flag
This one:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible
Americans=Stars and Stripes
Racist=Confederate flag
Then this one, only required as you ignored the first two:
No, their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag do not make those racist. Your BS claim is a lonely opinion made by a Confederate apologist sporting a racist symbol in his avatar.
And there's no racist symbol in my avatar... so I don't know who you think you are referring to. Maybe you got confused because you didn't use the "quote" function of the board.
It has been determined that Confederate flags are used as a racist symbol. You have one in your avatar
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 12:19:19 GMT -5
Oh, here is the flag one! I posted other flag sources in the other flag thread
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Post by swamp on Aug 16, 2017 14:28:23 GMT -5
So all five states cited slavery and the "hostility" of the non-slaveholding states to the institution of slavery as a primary if not the only real cause of their declarations to secede, though Virginia went into little detail. Mississippi had as the second sentence of their declaration: Yeah, sounds about right. One wonders how anybody could rationalize it differently. Umm... you do realize that more than 5 states seceded... yes? And there's also such a thing as "political grandstanding"... maybe you are unfamiliar with that concept. ETA: And, again, I never said slavery wasn't AN issue. It's just that it's not THE issue that everyone wants to make it out to be. It was one of many issues. It was economics. A slave based economic system vs. northern manufacturing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 18:29:42 GMT -5
You are going with "I can't make my point because it's bullshit, and I know it... so I won't answer your question" then... fine. Suit yourself. I'm not asking it again, just to be not actually answered again.
And there's no racist symbol in my avatar... so I don't know who you think you are referring to. Maybe you got confused because you didn't use the "quote" function of the board.
I have answered your sainted question 3 times now. Your reading comprehension this week has been sub par.
There is this one:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible
Americans=Stars and Stripes
Racist=Confederate flag
This one:
Christian Identity=Cross and Bible
Americans=Stars and Stripes
Racist=Confederate flag
Then this one, only required as you ignored the first two:
No, their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag do not make those racist. Your BS claim is a lonely opinion made by a Confederate apologist sporting a racist symbol in his avatar.
And there's no racist symbol in my avatar... so I don't know who you think you are referring to. Maybe you got confused because you didn't use the "quote" function of the board.
It has been determined that Confederate flags are used as a racist symbol. You have one in your avatar It was a "yes or no" question. You chose to not answer it because you couldn't bullshit your way through it like you want to... so no... you DIDN'T answer it... despite your continued bullshit "yes I did, and here's all my non-answers!!!" If those other symbols that they use aren't racist, then the Confederate flag isn't racist either. Figure out your answer and get back to me when you are ready to actually answer the question that's already been asked. I have a confederate flag in my avatar... yes. I don't have any racist symbols in my avatar though. According to your own bullshit non-answers "use doesn't imply racism". And my reading comprehension is quite a bit above par... as it always is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 18:36:13 GMT -5
Umm... you do realize that more than 5 states seceded... yes? And there's also such a thing as "political grandstanding"... maybe you are unfamiliar with that concept. ETA: And, again, I never said slavery wasn't AN issue. It's just that it's not THE issue that everyone wants to make it out to be. It was one of many issues. It was economics. A slave based economic system vs. northern manufacturing. Nice try. You get an "E" for effort. That's part of the "it was about slavery" argument... which I already freely admit was PART of the problem. It was AN issue, not THE issue.
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Post by dondub on Aug 16, 2017 19:36:35 GMT -5
Just because y.o.u. want it to be a yes or no answer doesn't mean I will answer it that way. I am who I am and will continue to do as I wish.
If your reading comprehension was that sharp you could have easily seen my answer in the format in which I delivered it. It was right there. Twice!
Eventually, after numerous derogatory comments on your part, I gave you a NO. Even that seemed to slide right by your 'well above par reading comprehension'. I think a triple bogey about covers it! I'm willing to help though by referring you to post #45, last sentence.
I am perfectly willing to have a different opinion in this matter than your own. Buck up and deal with it and stop the personal attack comments.
In the meantime, be a sport and take down your racist flag avatar. Try this one.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2017 20:50:37 GMT -5
Sorry Richard. Every time I see your Avatar I think of slavery and racism too. I realize that it was originally the battle flag of Virginia. The swastika was also once an Indian religious icon. So do I. When my son brought home a huge confederate flag from a flea market, not knowing what it was, I made him get rid of it. He just thought it looked cool. He has black friends and seeing that thing hanging on the wall could be...shall we say...awkward?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 20:58:27 GMT -5
Just because y.o.u. want it to be a yes or no answer doesn't mean I will answer it that way. I am who I am and will continue to do as I wish.
If your reading comprehension was that sharp you could have easily seen my answer in the format in which I delivered it. It was right there. Twice!
Eventually, after numerous derogatory comments on your part, I gave you a NO. Even that seemed to slide right by your 'well above par reading comprehension'. I think a triple bogey about covers it! I'm willing to help though by referring you to post #45, last sentence.
I am perfectly willing to have a different opinion in this matter than your own. Buck up and deal with it and stop the personal attack comments.
In the meantime, be a sport and take down your racist flag avatar. Try this one.
You are who you are, I don't deny that. And who you are is someone that refuses to answer a direct question because you know the answer would prove that your point is actually nothing but a load of horse puckey. I saw the format of your NON-answer. and I recognized it for the non-answer that it was. Comprehension that you don't want to answer the question achieved. Here's your "no": completely and utterly obliterated by the "yes" you posted before it. I had no problem comprehending that you refuse to answer with a "yes" OR a "no"... you do know what "or" means... right? It means one or the other, but NOT both. The question I want a yes or no to is: "Does a racist group's use of a symbol make that symbol racist?" NO exceptions for which symbol they are using... the answer will apply to all symbols equally or it applies to none equally. If you are willing to give a simple "yes" or a simple "no" for ALL symbols that they use... then we can easily continue. You are the one making personal attacks with your BS claim of me having racist symbols. And again... I have no racist symbols in my avatar... so nothing to take down.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Aug 16, 2017 21:04:54 GMT -5
OK are you really telling me that there has been a time in the last 150 years that the south hasn't wanted to secede?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 21:07:33 GMT -5
Sorry Richard. Every time I see your Avatar I think of slavery and racism too. I realize that it was originally the battle flag of Virginia. The swastika was also once an Indian religious icon. Sorry Richard. Every time I see your Avatar I think of slavery and racism too. I realize that it was originally the battle flag of Virginia. The swastika was also once an Indian religious icon. So do I. When my son brought home a huge confederate flag from a flea market, not knowing what it was, I made him get rid of it. He just thought it looked cool. He has black friends and seeing that thing hanging on the wall could be...shall we say...awkward? From my signature: If you understand what the Confederacy was really about, you won't have any problem with my Avatar. If you see it as racist or think of slavery, that's on you, not me... just like if you call a cloudless sky at noon "green"... that's you seeing what you want to see, not me knowing the reality that it's actually "blue".
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