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Post by tallguy on Aug 16, 2017 21:19:43 GMT -5
Sorry Richard. Every time I see your Avatar I think of slavery and racism too. I realize that it was originally the battle flag of Virginia. The swastika was also once an Indian religious icon. So do I. When my son brought home a huge confederate flag from a flea market, not knowing what it was, I made him get rid of it. He just thought it looked cool. He has black friends and seeing that thing hanging on the wall could be...shall we say...awkward? From my signature: If you understand what the Confederacy was really about, you won't have any problem with my Avatar. If you see it as racist or think of slavery, that's on you, not me... just like if you call a cloudless sky at noon "green"... that's you seeing what you want to see, not me knowing the reality that it's actually "blue". Richard, Richard, Richard.... The sky only appears to not be black to you, just like the Confederate flag only appears to not be racist to you.
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 16, 2017 21:19:58 GMT -5
Sorry Richard. Every time I see your Avatar I think of slavery and racism too. I realize that it was originally the battle flag of Virginia. The swastika was also once an Indian religious icon. So do I. When my son brought home a huge confederate flag from a flea market, not knowing what it was, I made him get rid of it. He just thought it looked cool. He has black friends and seeing that thing hanging on the wall could be...shall we say...awkward? From my signature: If you understand what the Confederacy was really about, you won't have any problem with my Avatar. If you see it as racist or think of slavery, that's on you, not me... just like if you call a cloudless sky at noon "green"... that's you seeing what you want to see, not me knowing the reality that it's actually "blue". Oh, for heaven's sake, Richard! Why don't you just make a swastika your avatar, then argue that it means good luck and the sun in ancient India? Because you know the reality of it, and all...... See how that plays out.
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Post by justme on Aug 16, 2017 21:21:35 GMT -5
thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346771-direct-descendant-of-robert-e-lee-denounces-white-nationalistsFrom the article: "There's no place for that hate," Robert E. Lee V, the general's great-great-grandson, told Newsweek in an interview. In an earlier written statement on Tuesday, Lee and his sister, Tracy Lee Crittenberger, condemned the white nationalist groups and said their Confederate ancestor would not have tolerated such behavior. "At the end of the Civil War, he implored the nation to come together to heal our wounds and to move forward to become a more unified nation," the statement reads. "He never would have tolerated the hateful words and violent actions of white supremacists, the KKK, or Neo Nazis." Lee told Newsweek that it would make "good sense" to move Confederate statues and monuments like the one in Charlottesville to museums, which would allow them to be put in historical context. And that's pretty much close to a mic drop on this subject.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 21:45:01 GMT -5
From my signature: If you understand what the Confederacy was really about, you won't have any problem with my Avatar. If you see it as racist or think of slavery, that's on you, not me... just like if you call a cloudless sky at noon "green"... that's you seeing what you want to see, not me knowing the reality that it's actually "blue". Richard, Richard, Richard.... The sky only appears to not be black to you, just like the Confederate flag only appears to not be racist to you. The sky is blue at noon (on any average cloudless day... obviously it won't be blue a little after noon on the 21st of this month in some parts of the country... due to the eclipse). the black of space is relegated to the space beyond the boundaries of what we consider "sky". If you look up at the sky you see a specific color. That color is blue around noon on the average cloudless day. If you want to call it green... go ahead. You are the one calling it something that it isn't... not me. It's the same with the Confederate flag. If you, in your willful ignorance of facts, wish to call it racist... that's fine. It has nothing to do with reality... but it's totally your call to see what you want to see and not see what's actually real. Nice try though.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 16, 2017 21:54:17 GMT -5
Richard, Richard, Richard.... The sky only appears to not be black to you, just like the Confederate flag only appears to not be racist to you. The sky is blue at noon (on any average cloudless day... obviously it won't be blue a little after noon on the 21st of this month in some parts of the country... due to the eclipse). the black of space is relegated to the space beyond the boundaries of what we consider "sky". If you look up at the sky you see a specific color. That color is blue around noon on the average cloudless day. If you want to call it green... go ahead. You are the one calling it something that it isn't... not me. It's the same with the Confederate flag. If you, in your willful ignorance of facts, wish to call it racist... that's fine. It has nothing to do with reality... but it's totally your call to see what you want to see and not see what's actually real. Nice try though. So your lack of knowledge extends to science as well. Good to know. And don is right. Reading comprehension is not your forte. I said nothing about green. Who is REALLY the one calling it something it isn't?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 22:58:59 GMT -5
From my signature: If you understand what the Confederacy was really about, you won't have any problem with my Avatar. If you see it as racist or think of slavery, that's on you, not me... just like if you call a cloudless sky at noon "green"... that's you seeing what you want to see, not me knowing the reality that it's actually "blue". Oh, for heaven's sake, Richard! Why don't you just make a swastika your avatar, then argue that it means good luck and the sun in ancient India? Because you know the reality of it, and all...... See how that plays out. I can't. I have no ties with Indian/Hindi culture in any way, shape, or form. The swastika has no relevance to me nor any special place in my heart like the Confederate flag does, because I do have ties with the confederacy however (family that died defending the South from the Northern invaders in the war), as well as being proud of my true Southern heritage (where we say "yes/no sir/ma'am", "please & thank you", and do things out of courtesy and politeness that abounded in the south).
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Post by steff on Aug 16, 2017 23:00:41 GMT -5
We Southerners also say "Bless your heart".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 23:07:08 GMT -5
The sky is blue at noon (on any average cloudless day... obviously it won't be blue a little after noon on the 21st of this month in some parts of the country... due to the eclipse). the black of space is relegated to the space beyond the boundaries of what we consider "sky". If you look up at the sky you see a specific color. That color is blue around noon on the average cloudless day. If you want to call it green... go ahead. You are the one calling it something that it isn't... not me. It's the same with the Confederate flag. If you, in your willful ignorance of facts, wish to call it racist... that's fine. It has nothing to do with reality... but it's totally your call to see what you want to see and not see what's actually real. Nice try though. So your lack of knowledge extends to science as well. Good to know. And don is right. Reading comprehension is not your forte. I said nothing about green. Who is REALLY the one calling it something it isn't? Your lack of comprehension is showing. I didn't say that you had called it green...I said if you WANT TO (you know, a reference to future statements)... because my original reference was to "green" an intentionally absurd color to equate to the sky... and I was keeping with MY reference. You can freely replace "green" with any color other than "blue" and the statement still stands. And my knowledge of science is pretty good too... contrary to your ignorant assertion. I suppose the science wise-crack you made is the result of you wanting to argue how color is seen, scientifically speaking... because things absorb all the light except for that for which is actually radiated out as reflection or pass-thru (depending on medium), thereby resulting in the color that we "see", when in reality all things are actually made up of all the colors that we don't actually see because they have actually absorbed those colors from the full spectrum of light.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 16, 2017 23:45:10 GMT -5
Look at it this way, yeah sure states rights, but if the south had won, you would still have slaves, that's what those white good old boys were fighting for. I would not have that for my avatar for sure. Sorry you can't see that part of it.
I wish there were some states we could give them and let them live the way they want. Would that be one big drug smokin', red neck disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 0:40:43 GMT -5
Look at it this way, yeah sure states rights, but if the south had won, you would still have slaves, that's what those white good old boys were fighting for. I would not have that for my avatar for sure. Sorry you can't see that part of it. I wish there were some states we could give them and let them live the way they want. Would that be one big drug smokin', red neck disaster. Actually the likelihood is that slavery would have ended on its own not too much later. With the invention of machinery to do most of the work that slaves were doing the cost of keeping slaves (housing them, clothing them, feeding them, et cetera) would have begun to surpass the cost/profit ratio of using cheaper unpaid, unfed, unclothed machinery. The industrial revolution would have most likely been the death knell to slavery in the "first world". And slaves isn't what "those white good old boys were fighting for". Most of the people fighting in the war didn't own slaves (admittedly SOME did... but MOST didn't). And what about the black Confederate soldiers... were they fighting for slavery? If you are interested in questioning the propaganda that's prevalent and popular today, you might want to take a look at www.southernheritage411.com/... A website founded by a BLACK supporter of the Confederate flag, Southern Heritage, and former Branch President for the NAACP in Asheville, NC.
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Post by steff on Aug 17, 2017 1:22:45 GMT -5
Bless his heart...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 3:27:21 GMT -5
Bless the hearts of all those that fear the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 5:32:49 GMT -5
That's what she said.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Aug 17, 2017 7:07:11 GMT -5
Well we all know what it was about, think there were a few blacks that owned slaves too if my reading of history is correct, so maybe he was one of the supporters.
That's still what it was about and yep many were duped into following it that did support slavery, drape it in states rights if you want, sounds more sanitized that way.
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Post by dondub on Aug 17, 2017 10:58:49 GMT -5
You are who you are, I don't deny that. And who you are is someone that refuses to answer a direct question because you know the answer would prove that your point is actually nothing but a load of horse puckey.
Now you are resorting to just flat out lying. My opinion simply differs from yours re: the cross, Bible, and American flag. You can hissy fit it all you want and apparently will continue to do so.
I saw the format of your NON-answer. and I recognized it for the non-answer that it was. Comprehension that you don't want to answer the question achieved.
It was a complete answer where I provided a credible reason for why they use the cross, Bible, and American flag. I'm sorry you are not capable of accepting opinions that differ from your own and must resort to this type of posting.
Here's your "no":
Yes, their use of the Confederate flag makes that a racist symbol. They don't care whether you like that or not.
No, their use of the cross, Bible, and American flag do not make those racist. completely and utterly obliterated by the "yes" you posted before it. I had no problem comprehending that you refuse to answer with a "yes" OR a "no"... you do know what "or" means... right? It means one or the other, but NOT both.
According to y.o.u. But as we are clearly seeing your intellectual inability to accept opinions that differ from your own, we are stuck with your lies.
The question I want a yes or no to is: "Does a racist group's use of a symbol make that symbol racist?" NO exceptions for which symbol they are using... the answer will apply to all symbols equally or it applies to none equally. If you are willing to give a simple "yes" or a simple "no" for ALL symbols that they use... then we can easily continue.
I have answered three times already. Don't get any of that foam on your polyester.
You are the one making personal attacks with your BS claim of me having racist symbols.
I am not alone in feeling that you are using a racist symbol. If you are not racist there is really no reason for you to find that as a personal attack. It's simply my truthful opinion and that of other members.
And again... I have no racist symbols in my avatar... so nothing to take down.
It looks like once again we have a simple difference of opinion. I can easily accept that you think differently than I do on a myriad of topics without a spew that seems like a colonoscopy prep.
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Post by grumpyhermit on Aug 17, 2017 11:04:07 GMT -5
I say we let the South secede already. We can even throw in the President as a nice parting gift.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Aug 17, 2017 11:08:09 GMT -5
I say we let the South secede already. We can even throw in the President as a nice parting gift. I was just gonna say that. #byefelicia
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 17, 2017 11:22:37 GMT -5
I say we let the South secede already. We can even throw in the President as a nice parting gift. I'm wondering if one big vast diversified country has been a failure. Maybe it is time to break up into 5 or 6 countries that can have a more nuanced approach to their ideologies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 20:23:31 GMT -5
... And again... I have no racist symbols in my avatar... so nothing to take down.
It looks like once again we have a simple difference of opinion. I can easily accept that you think differently than I do on a myriad of topics without a spew that seems like a colonoscopy prep. Everything before that is pointless so I shan't be addressing it. We don't have a "difference of opinion". We have your opinion, and we have my fact. For there to be a "difference of opinion", both things need to be opinion. It's a fact that there's nothing racist in my avatar. And your own answers prove me correct on this, because if their illegitimate use of The Bible (or the Cross, or the American flag) doesn't make The Bible (nor the Cross, nor the American flag) racist, then their illegitimate use of the Confederate flag doesn't make it racist either. Same criteria for all. People wanting a thing to be something doesn't make it that something. You can want to be a genie... doesn't mean you ever will be one. You can see a "Green sky at noon on an average cloudless day" all you want... doesn't mean it will ever be anything but blue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 20:27:44 GMT -5
I say we let the South secede already. We can even throw in the President as a nice parting gift. I'm wondering if one big vast diversified country has been a failure. Maybe it is time to break up into 5 or 6 countries that can have a more nuanced approach to their ideologies. What we should do is break into 50 separate states, with a loose association, and some very narrowly defined basic rules that all agree on... kind of like the Constitution says we are supposed to be (that whole 10th Amendment thing).
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Post by Value Buy on Aug 18, 2017 8:17:55 GMT -5
We Southerners also say "Bless your heart". And this is usually a slur to the person you are telling it to. Unless it's family!
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Post by dondub on Aug 18, 2017 11:28:56 GMT -5
I can see why you bailed on using the quote function for that part of my previous post. You had a losing moment and had to lie about my posts. Bless your heart!
Everything before that is pointless so I shan't be addressing it. We don't have a "difference of opinion". We have your opinion, and we have my fact. For there to be a "difference of opinion", both things need to be opinion.
That's the rub isn't it...your opinions become facts the more disagreement you receive. However, they still remain opinions for those not named Richard. Numerous posters here find your use of the racist symbol as something other than a fetish.
It's a fact that there's nothing racist in my avatar. And your own answers prove me correct on this, because if their illegitimate use of The Bible (or the Cross, or the American flag) doesn't make The Bible (nor the Cross, nor the American flag) racist, then their illegitimate use of the Confederate flag doesn't make it racist either. Same criteria for all. People wanting a thing to be something doesn't make it that something. You can want to be a genie... doesn't mean you ever will be one. You can see a "Green sky at noon on an average cloudless day" all you want... doesn't mean it will ever be anything but blue.
THEY find the use of the cross and Bible legitimate as they are identifying as Christian. THEY find the use of the American flag legitimate as THEY are Americans and so called patriots. THEY legitimately use the Confederate flag as a symbol of their racism whether you like it or not. Thus the Confederate flag has been turned into a racist symbol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 23:55:25 GMT -5
I can see why you bailed on using the quote function for that part of my previous post. You had a losing moment and had to lie about my posts. I have NEVER lied in a post. I didn't quote the rest because (as I said) it was garbage. Just like the false accusation here where you defame me by calling me a liar. I would report it but we both know that not a godd damn thing would be done about it. The ONLY reason I don't block you is so I can see the bullshit you post about me and in response to my posts... so I can rebut your nonsense.
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Post by dondub on Aug 19, 2017 11:51:10 GMT -5
I have NEVER lied in a post. I didn't quote the rest because (as I said) it was garbage. Just like the false accusation here where you defame me by calling me a liar.
We have another one coming up soon.
I would report it but we both know that not a godd damn thing would be done about it.
Nothing I have said is worth turning yourself into a snitch about. It's even possible your postings have been worse. Think of that!
The ONLY reason I don't block you is so I can see the bullshit you post about me and in response to my posts... so I can rebut your nonsense.
And there it is again. None of my postings in this matter have been bullshit whether you have designated them as such and continued to denigrate them with less than the southernly manners you profess to engage in. I have patiently explained my positions and have answered all of your questions even when you mistakenly said I had not. We simply have a difference of opinion and you are lying to yourself if you think yours somehow morph into "facts" just because you say so, sir.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 1:03:41 GMT -5
My southernly manners are reserved for those that deserve them dondub... either because I don't know that they don't deserve them (strangers get the benefit of the doubt)... or because they actually deserve them and I know it (have proven themselves to be of good moral character). Once you have proven yourself unworthy of mannerly responses, you don't get them anymore. Someone that falsely accuses me of being a lair (as you have done, repeatedly) doesn't deserve kindness or manners. Libel and defamation are both ToS violations... so yes, there is something "worth turning [myself] into a snitch"... because I don't want the board shut down by ProBoards for ToS violations. Here's the section of the PB ToS that's relevant to that... Note the bolded (by me) "shall not" and "libelous" and "defamatory"?
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 20, 2017 11:22:48 GMT -5
If you're going to start throwing ProBoards' ToS up here, @richardintn, it would be better if you knew what it's saying. Nothing here has been "libelous" or "defamatory". Despite your protestations to the contrary (and the misuse of the word "lie" by several posters, including you), what's being posted points to differences in opinion and perspective. Determining when posts break the ToS is the responsibility of moonbeam and her staff. I can pretty much guarantee you ProBoards would not find any libel or defamation.
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Post by dondub on Aug 20, 2017 14:49:37 GMT -5
The point you're missing, Richard darling, is that by repeatedly referring to my postings as BS, you have, in effect, been calling me a liar for days. That I know my opinions are not BS, just because you don't agree with them, is what makes you a liar. You have done it to yourself due to your inability to accept other's opinions as being as valid as your own. I am only reporting the truth and fact of it that you have presented.
So you want defamatory...refer to your own posts.
And a real southern gentleman is classy enough to be that way all the time and not to just pick and choose it based on personal bias created by an overwrought Mello Yello mindset about other's opinions being "BS".
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 20, 2017 16:09:03 GMT -5
My southernly manners are reserved for those that deserve them dondub... either because I don't know that they don't deserve them (strangers get the benefit of the doubt)... or because they actually deserve them and I know it (have proven themselves to be of good moral character). Once you have proven yourself unworthy of mannerly responses, you don't get them anymore. Someone that falsely accuses me of being a lair (as you have done, repeatedly) doesn't deserve kindness or manners. Libel and defamation are both ToS violations... so yes, there is something "worth turning [myself] into a snitch"... because I don't want the board shut down by ProBoards for ToS violations. Here's the section of the PB ToS that's relevant to that...Note the bolded (by me) "shall not" and "libelous" and "defamatory"? Be careful
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Post by Miss Tequila on Aug 20, 2017 21:08:33 GMT -5
I say we let the South secede already. We can even throw in the President as a nice parting gift. I'm wondering if one big vast diversified country has been a failure. Maybe it is time to break up into 5 or 6 countries that can have a more nuanced approach to their ideologies. I agree with you. I don't know how we can come together as a country anymore.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 20, 2017 21:24:09 GMT -5
I'm wondering if one big vast diversified country has been a failure. Maybe it is time to break up into 5 or 6 countries that can have a more nuanced approach to their ideologies. I agree with you. I don't know how we can come together as a country anymore. I agree.
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