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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:55:47 GMT -5
If you're going to start throwing ProBoards' ToS up here, @richardintn , it would be better if you knew what it's saying. Nothing here has been "libelous" or "defamatory". Despite your protestations to the contrary (and the misuse of the word "lie" by several posters, including you), what's being posted points to differences in opinion and perspective. Determining when posts break the ToS is the responsibility of moonbeam and her staff. I can pretty much guarantee you ProBoards would not find any libel or defamation. mmhmm, Politics Moderator Posted on the internet is "published", calling someone a liar, or accusing them of confusing facts with opinion, when they actually are not and never have done either is "damaging to a person's reputation" (even if it's just maintaining the damage caused by other libelous and defamatory messages). So yes, I know what "Libel" is. dondub's repeated accusations calling me a liar are defamatory and libelous. And, for the record I didn't say I would report it (I actually wouldn't, because as I stated, I don't want the board shut down)... but they do get reports from other people all the time... so who knows who sees what and then reports what. Reports are reports... and it's my understanding that PB is VERY careful about erring on the side of "better safe than sorry" (hence their "PG-13" standard that's not actually "PG-13"... but more like "PG to G")... so if someone sees someone else constantly defending themselves against malicious, defamatory, and libelous attacks... well...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 23:11:41 GMT -5
The point you're missing, Richard darling, is that by repeatedly referring to my postings as BS, you have, in effect, been calling me a liar for days. That I know my opinions are not BS, just because you don't agree with them, is what makes you a liar. You have done it to yourself due to your inability to accept other's opinions as being as valid as your own. I am only reporting the truth and fact of it that you have presented.
So you want defamatory...refer to your own posts.
And a real southern gentleman is classy enough to be that way all the time and not to just pick and choose it based on personal bias created by an overwrought Mello Yello mindset about other's opinions being "BS". When you call me a liar or say that I confuse opinion with fact, you are lying. So there's nothing wrong with me correctly identifying your posts as lies and you as a liar. Opinions of others ARE as valid as my own, and I have no problem accepting them as such... but when you compare your opinion to some fact (that's actually NOT "opinion") that I posted.. yes if it's in opposition, it's wrong. I would suggest that you go your way and I go mine... but I doubt if you'd be willing to (that's an opinion, by the way, since you seem easily confused as to what a fact is and what an opinion is).
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 20, 2017 23:15:49 GMT -5
Why is he calling you "darling?" How freaking creepy. Sarcastic or not it's creepy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 23:22:58 GMT -5
Why is he calling you "darling?" How freaking creepy. Sarcastic or not it's creepy. Agreed... it is creepy. I chose to ignore that though. Because while I wouldn't ever want to be his "darling"... it's not any skin off my nose if he wants to look like a poor representation of Charles Nelson Riley (who had a penchant for calling EVERYONE "darling")...
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 20, 2017 23:34:46 GMT -5
If you're going to start throwing ProBoards' ToS up here, @richardintn , it would be better if you knew what it's saying. Nothing here has been "libelous" or "defamatory". Despite your protestations to the contrary (and the misuse of the word "lie" by several posters, including you), what's being posted points to differences in opinion and perspective. Determining when posts break the ToS is the responsibility of moonbeam and her staff. I can pretty much guarantee you ProBoards would not find any libel or defamation. mmhmm, Politics Moderator Posted on the internet is "published", calling someone a liar, or accusing them of confusing facts with opinion, when they actually are not and never have done either is "damaging to a person's reputation" (even if it's just maintaining the damage caused by other libelous and defamatory messages). So yes, I know what "Libel" is. dondub's repeated accusations calling me a liar are defamatory and libelous. And, for the record I didn't say I would report it (I actually wouldn't, because as I stated, I don't want the board shut down)... but they do get reports from other people all the time... so who knows who sees what and then reports what. Reports are reports... and it's my understanding that PB is VERY careful about erring on the side of "better safe than sorry" (hence their "PG-13" standard that's not actually "PG-13"... but more like "PG to G")... so if someone sees someone else constantly defending themselves against malicious, defamatory, and libelous attacks... well... Umm, in the first place, "richardintn" doesn't have a reputation since it's an anonymous message board entity. Secondly, you've called dondub (among others) a liar. The word is being misused often and by several. Fact is, whether you like it or not, what are referred to as lies are differences of opinion. In short, you could never successfully sue for libel, Richard. It's ludicrous to continue to bellow about it. We're not at all worried about ProBoards' reaction to your complaints of libel/defamation. It's simply not occurring. We've seen this kind of thing brought to Support before and know the results of such cases. So, carry on if you must but it's not doing you any good. Better to ignore - both you and dondub. Your little battle does not belong on the Politics board. mmhmm, Politics Moderator
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 23:37:13 GMT -5
I'd love to ignore him... but because of his continuous libelous posts that need rebutting, I don't dare. If he'd stop his crap I'd stop defending myself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 23:42:24 GMT -5
Posted on the internet is "published", calling someone a liar, or accusing them of confusing facts with opinion, when they actually are not and never have done either is "damaging to a person's reputation" (even if it's just maintaining the damage caused by other libelous and defamatory messages). So yes, I know what "Libel" is. dondub's repeated accusations calling me a liar are defamatory and libelous. And, for the record I didn't say I would report it (I actually wouldn't, because as I stated, I don't want the board shut down)... but they do get reports from other people all the time... so who knows who sees what and then reports what. Reports are reports... and it's my understanding that PB is VERY careful about erring on the side of "better safe than sorry" (hence their "PG-13" standard that's not actually "PG-13"... but more like "PG to G")... so if someone sees someone else constantly defending themselves against malicious, defamatory, and libelous attacks... well... Umm, in the first place, "richardintn" doesn't have a reputation since it's an anonymous message board entity. Secondly, you've called dondub (among others) a liar. The word is being misused often and by several. Fact is, whether you like it or not, what are referred to as lies are differences of opinion. In short, you could never successfully sue for libel, Richard. It's ludicrous to continue to bellow about it. We're not at all worried about ProBoards' reaction to your complaints of libel/defamation. It's simply not occurring. We've seen this kind of thing brought to Support before and know the results of such cases. So, carry on if you must but it's not doing you any good. Better to ignore - both you and dondub . Your little battle does not belong on the Politics board. mmhmm, Politics Moderator In the first place, yes, I actually DO have a reputation. As this is the ONLY name I use on message boards EVERYWHERE. And I've only called him one when he is, in absolute fact, lying. There's nothing wrong with calling something what it actually is... is there? I'm not worried about MY complaints to ProBoards either (because I won't be making any... I believe I said that already). I'm worried about random other people saying "I was seeing this on that board... is libel, or defamation, or even slander ok on ProBoards now?" to ProBoards. If they get enough they may look... or they may just act because as you know, they like to err on the side of caution. Better to be overly proactive than to get caught in a mess.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 20, 2017 23:46:08 GMT -5
I'm not going to argue with you, @richardintn. As I said, we're not concerned about ProBoards finding us remiss.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 20, 2017 23:46:40 GMT -5
If that is the case (and anyone from anywhere else were to actually see you here), then you are damaging your own reputation with this silliness.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 23:54:39 GMT -5
If that is the case (and anyone from anywhere else were to actually see you here), then you are damaging your own reputation with this silliness. How is defending my honor and integrity against libel and defamation... "silly"? Maybe you don't care about your honor and integrity (I'm not saying that you do or don't, I don't know if you do or not)... but I do. I'm not rich, I'm not married to a supermodel, I'm not powerful, I've only got two things really "going" for me... my honor, and my integrity. As they are all I really do have, I will defend them.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 21, 2017 0:00:07 GMT -5
If that is the case (and anyone from anywhere else were to actually see you here), then you are damaging your own reputation with this silliness. How is defending my honor and integrity against libel and defamation... "silly"? Maybe you don't care about your honor and integrity (I'm not saying that you do or don't, I don't know if you do or not)... but I do. I'm not rich, I'm not married to a supermodel, I'm not powerful, I've only got two things really "going" for me... my honor, and my integrity. As they are all I really do have, I will defend them. I consider both of those vitally important. I just have no idea at all how you consider either of them at risk because of someone's opinion on an anonymous discussion board. Nor do I have any idea how or why you do not realize the damage to your reputation HERE that you are doing. To your perceived level of maturity if nothing else. Do you really think any of this will persuade ANYONE that you are worthy of discussion? Seriously?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 0:14:07 GMT -5
How is defending my honor and integrity against libel and defamation... "silly"? Maybe you don't care about your honor and integrity (I'm not saying that you do or don't, I don't know if you do or not)... but I do. I'm not rich, I'm not married to a supermodel, I'm not powerful, I've only got two things really "going" for me... my honor, and my integrity. As they are all I really do have, I will defend them. I consider both of those vitally important. I just have no idea at all how you consider either of them at risk because of someone's opinion on an anonymous discussion board. Nor do I have any idea how or why you do not realize the damage to your reputation HERE that you are doing. To your perceived level of maturity if nothing else. Do you really think any of this will persuade ANYONE that you are worthy of discussion? Seriously? My reputation has already been damaged by the libel and defamation. Now all that's left is trying to salvage it. If people think that defending the truth and my honor & integrity damages it... then they have a skewed vision of what integrity represents to those that really have and care about it. If they care about honor and integrity, then yes, it will persuade them that I am worthy of discussion... if they don't care about those things, then am I really at a great loss by not having any discussions with them? Who loses out when those with honor and integrity are gone and the only ones left are the "I don't give a crap what others think, and I'll lie all I want to if I want to" ones.
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Post by tallguy on Aug 21, 2017 0:30:56 GMT -5
Hmmm. Do I go with, "The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks" or, "Whoosh"? Tough call. I would not divulge who, but more than one person has PM'ed me to ask why I even bother trying to discuss things with you. From both the left and the right, by the way. That is not praise for you, and certainly not if I were to report further on those discussions. And NONE of that is because of anyone else's opinions, comments or style, but of yours. Alone. I sincerely hope you take this as intended. There are times I really try to like you as a poster, but you do make it difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 5:24:29 GMT -5
Hmmm. Do I go with, "The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks" or, "Whoosh"?
Tough call. I would not divulge who, but more than one person has PM'ed me to ask why I even bother trying to discuss things with you. From both the left and the right, by the way. That is not praise for you, and certainly not if I were to report further on those discussions. And NONE of that is because of anyone else's opinions, comments or style, but of yours. Alone. I sincerely hope you take this as intended. There are times I really try to like you as a poster, but you do make it difficult. Between those two options I would go with "Option C: None of the Above"... as "the gentleman" (you were referring to me there, I assume) got your point loud and clear, so there was no "whoosh" over my head as it passed me by... AND the gentleman only protests when his honor and integrity is challenged (and not even every time, at that). How can "only... ...when... ...challenged" be "too much"? I've also been PM'd (I also shall not divulge who)... along the lines of "Why do you care so much? {member name} is just being an ass. Just ignore them.", and quite often my reply harkens back to the immortal words "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" (I don't always say that... but that's the general gist of the message). Which inevitably gets some variation of "True, fair point" in reply.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Aug 21, 2017 12:02:18 GMT -5
Welllllll....I get PMs about both of you. I'm not telling you what they say. All I can say is there were passed in Study Hall during 2nd period.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 27, 2017 13:48:07 GMT -5
From my signature: If you understand what the Confederacy was really about, you won't have any problem with my Avatar. If you see it as racist or think of slavery, that's on you, not me... just like if you call a cloudless sky at noon "green"... that's you seeing what you want to see, not me knowing the reality that it's actually "blue". Oh, for heaven's sake, Richard! Why don't you just make a swastika your avatar, then argue that it means good luck and the sun in ancient India? Because you know the reality of it, and all...... See how that plays out. Wow. Very insulting. Guess that will stand.
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Post by dondub on Aug 28, 2017 13:22:59 GMT -5
What's so insulting about that? Richard revels in the racist symbol of the confederate flag. I'm sure he could spin the swastika.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 28, 2017 14:59:28 GMT -5
The swastika became a symbol that was abused. I understand that some feel the flag is racist but some don't, simple as that. Tolerant people need to remind themselves that tolerance goes both ways. You don't have to like what someone believes in but you need to accept it. Calling them names does not promote tolerance.
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Post by dondub on Aug 28, 2017 15:27:07 GMT -5
The Confederate flag is a symbol that has been abused.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 28, 2017 17:28:19 GMT -5
I have the battle flag of a union PA cavalry unit that I fly at my house in North GA on special occasions.
Even though I live amongst southerners, some of them very devout Confederacy fans, no one has commented on my flag, or tried to burn it or steal it, because no one knows what it is. It's just some flag I fly that's special to me, because I had 3 relatives who were killed fighting for the Union in Gettysburg, and I doubt any of my neighbors has ever given it a second glance, or second thought.
However, if I should fly, instead, the battle flag of Northern VA, my neighbors would immediately recognize it - not as the battle flag of northern VA, but as the flag that a very pro-confederacy, possibly racist person would fly. That's because that flag long ago stopped being the confederate flag of northern VA and has become something much different, and much more recognizable and infamous now.
If I had confederate relatives I wanted to commemorate, I would find the confederate flag for their state or their unit and fly a copy of that flag. Or I might fly the Confederate Flag, which no one recognizes, either. But I would never fly the 'rebel' flag, because of all the unfortunate baggage that has been piled onto that design since the 1920's until today, when it's become infamous.
It's unfortunate when some perfectly decent item gets co-opted by a fringe group and turned into something it was never meant to be, but it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 19:22:44 GMT -5
What's so insulting about that? Richard revels in the racist symbol of the confederate flag. I'm sure he could spin the swastika. Another fucking lie from you. No surprise there though. "Richard" supports the true meaning of the flag... which had nothing to do with slavery or race, but freedom from a tyrannical federal government. (maybe if you paid attention to my signature line, you wouldn't get confused)
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Post by dondub on Aug 29, 2017 11:12:11 GMT -5
I and others consider the flag to have become a racist symbol. You revel in the Confederate flag as your million word march of the last 2+ years would indicate. If you don't conjoin my belief about the flag with your own, which is different, you will find that no lie was told at all. I think it's racist, you revel in it for other reasons. Easy to comprehend. If you can't undo your accusation please refer to post 87. You can then easily see that if you call someone a liar (which you just did again), and they are not lying, you have turned yourself into that which causes you such indignation that you even threaten CoC reporting.
Subsequently, you could accept a different meaning for the swastika than the one most accept. It could become an Indian symbol of deep significance for you just like that flag. Thus, I don't find that previous poster's comment to be "insulting".
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 29, 2017 11:16:50 GMT -5
Some others feel that way. I understand that it's been "bastardized " but that doesn't make it wrong for Richard to want his flag. I'm not a fan of the nazi flag but remember the symbolism that it was before being desecrated. I'm not going to fly one though.
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Post by grits on Aug 29, 2017 18:53:59 GMT -5
It's just as stupid as the individuals who called for their states to leave the Union if Trump was elected. Talk is cheap.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Aug 29, 2017 21:19:49 GMT -5
What's so insulting about that? Richard revels in the racist symbol of the confederate flag. I'm sure he could spin the swastika. Another fucking lie from you. No surprise there though. "Richard" supports the true meaning of the flag... which had nothing to do with slavery or race, but freedom from a tyrannical federal government. (maybe if you paid attention to my signature line, you wouldn't get confused) So it is the flag of treason, rather than racism. Allrighty then...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 21:36:53 GMT -5
I and others consider the flag to have become a racist symbol. You revel in the Confederate flag as your million word march of the last 2+ years would indicate. If you don't conjoin my belief about the flag with your own, which is different, you will find that no lie was told at all. I think it's racist, you revel in it for other reasons. Easy to comprehend. If you can't undo your accusation please refer to post 87. You can then easily see that if you call someone a liar (which you just did again), and they are not lying, you have turned yourself into that which causes you such indignation that you even threaten CoC reporting.
Subsequently, you could accept a different meaning for the swastika than the one most accept. It could become an Indian symbol of deep significance for you just like that flag. Thus, I don't find that previous poster's comment to be "insulting". What you "and others" consider the flag to be is irrelevant to what it actually is/was. Your BS statement of " Richard revels in the racist symbol of the confederate flag." was the lie (that's why I bolded it in my quote of it). I don't revel in ANYTHING that's racist. Get that thought through to your brain somehow. There was no "conjoining of beliefs" present. You posted an absolute lie. Just own it already. Lie posted, lie caught. The Indian swastika will never have meaning for me because I am not Indian, I have no ties to India. I would support someone that was Indian in taking back the meaning of their symbol if they wanted to though. And I never threatened CoC reporting (another lie by you, do the lies every stop coming from your fingertips?... and by the way, it was ToS violations you are guilty of and that I said might be reported by someone... not CoC... we'll call that an error, not a lie). I said someone else might see the constant abuses by you and report it themselves. I don't report here because they don't give a damn, and I don't report on support because I don't want the forum shut down over YOUR bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 21:42:59 GMT -5
Another fucking lie from you. No surprise there though. "Richard" supports the true meaning of the flag... which had nothing to do with slavery or race, but freedom from a tyrannical federal government. (maybe if you paid attention to my signature line, you wouldn't get confused) So it is the flag of treason, rather than racism. Allrighty then... Nope. Not "the flag of treason" either (nice try though! you get credit for creativity). It's the flag of freedom from oppressive governmental tyranny. (kind of like Old Glory was back in the late 1770's... which flag was for overthrowing the government then... the Union Jack or the Stars and Stripes?). Had the Federal Government kept to the Tenth Amendment... (among several other issues)... the secession and then civil war might not have ever happened.
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Post by grits on Aug 29, 2017 21:48:02 GMT -5
The issues behind the Civil War are so vast, and complex that most will never consider more than one or two. I am thankful that slavery ceased to exist as a legal institution. However, neither side was without crimes against humanity. I am always amazed at the hatred spewed by people taking issue over something settled over 150 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 21:56:11 GMT -5
I agree... but for the record, the only hatred I have is for the destruction of the facts of history... and being accused of being someone that "revels" in racist symbols (which they got the symbol wrong and insulted it too... but that's for for another rant).
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Post by tallguy on Aug 29, 2017 22:18:51 GMT -5
If you really want to know about oppressive governmental tyranny, ask black people. In the South. They know ALL about it.
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