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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 9:13:06 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with soy. I think the problem goes back to what everyone has said about portion control. Eating anything in massive quantities can be bad for your health. We also instead of actually changing our diets switch from eating a ton meat based hot dogs to eating a ton of soy based hot dogs. Which if you read some of the labels on those the amount of sodium is insane. When they said eat more plant based products I don't think they meant eat the processed versions, they meant the actual plants themselves! But it's a soy hot dog that means it's healthy! That's why I don't go along with fad diets and health trends. I have nothing against eating less meat and I have nothing against people who choose to be vegetarians or vegans. I am not going to change my diet because a documentary states if I eat meat I will get cancer. If I am breathing I will likely eventually get cancer too but nobody tells me not to breathe. I'd need to see the actual written papers before I made a decision. I want to now how much meat over how much time was used to create this statistic and what that risk level is for that amount consumed compared to the average population. Then I want to see those two groups compared to vegetarians. Then those three groups compared to vegans. You can make any statistic sound scary to push your agenda.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 12, 2017 9:15:13 GMT -5
Yup, need to start again. That, and Pilates. Yes, you need to do ALL THE YOGAS!!!! (yes, I'm a yoga-holic. )
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Post by megaptera on Jul 12, 2017 11:22:17 GMT -5
DS can find hemp powder but not the hearts. He's asking the vegans at work!! I *think* I got mine at Costco last year. That's not to say they still have them though... They're yummy on yogurt.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 12, 2017 11:25:08 GMT -5
Got it at Trader Joe's!!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 12, 2017 11:31:13 GMT -5
Hemp hearts, like other vegetable proteins do not contain all the amino acids like meat does. It is deficient in both leucine and lysine. As long as you pick those up from another source, it is fine but it necessitates you look at your protein sources and make sure you get an adequate amount of all 23 aa that are found in a complete protein.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 12, 2017 12:00:48 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with soy. I think the problem goes back to what everyone has said about portion control. Eating anything in massive quantities can be bad for your health. We also instead of actually changing our diets switch from eating a ton meat based hot dogs to eating a ton of soy based hot dogs. Which if you read some of the labels on those the amount of sodium is insane. When they said eat more plant based products I don't think they meant eat the processed versions, they meant the actual plants themselves! But it's a soy hot dog that means it's healthy! I think the whole marketing ploy to make "vegetarian/vegan" food be "meat" does more harm than good. There's lots of ways to add 'vegetarian' protein to one's diet... unfortunately it entails changing WHAT you consider "food" and what you consider makes a "meal". It's also an adjustment in regards to serving sizes (I witness my friends and family consume huge amounts of food regularly).
I don't really like eating tofu 7 days a week - so I change it up with tempeh (Trader Joe) and some "processed" seitan products Upton's, Field Roast, Dr. Praegers. I haven't gotten adventurous enough to make seitan stuff from scratch. I do use tempeh in 'from scratch' recipes like stuffed peppers and curried Chicken Salad.
FWIW: I vary up the nuts/seeds - I love adding pepitas or chia seeds to salads/soup/whatever (in addition to using walnuts and almonds).
Again, I'm a flexitarian - so if you want to eat meat - go for it. When I let it get to me I just roll my eyes when the carnivores harp on "eating ONLY tofu and maybe two cashews!!!!" or as my family sez "I'd die if I could only eat PB&Js, Mac and Cheese, and breadsticks! I'd be starving!!!" (to which I usually reply - yes, yes you would - I'm so glad I don't have to eat that stuff and still be vegetarian for most meals!!)
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 12, 2017 12:40:31 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with soy. I think the problem goes back to what everyone has said about portion control. Eating anything in massive quantities can be bad for your health. We also instead of actually changing our diets switch from eating a ton meat based hot dogs to eating a ton of soy based hot dogs. Which if you read some of the labels on those the amount of sodium is insane. When they said eat more plant based products I don't think they meant eat the processed versions, they meant the actual plants themselves! But it's a soy hot dog that means it's healthy! I think the whole marketing ploy to make "vegetarian/vegan" food be "meat" does more harm than good. There's lots of ways to add 'vegetarian' protein to one's diet... unfortunately it entails changing WHAT you consider "food" and what you consider makes a "meal". It's also an adjustment in regards to serving sizes (I witness my friends and family consume huge amounts of food regularly).
I don't really like eating tofu 7 days a week - so I change it up with tempeh (Trader Joe) and some "processed" seitan products Upton's, Field Roast, Dr. Praegers. I haven't gotten adventurous enough to make seitan stuff from scratch. I do use tempeh in 'from scratch' recipes like stuffed peppers and curried Chicken Salad.
FWIW: I vary up the nuts/seeds - I love adding pepitas or chia seeds to salads/soup/whatever (in addition to using walnuts and almonds).
Again, I'm a flexitarian - so if you want to eat meat - go for it. When I let it get to me I just roll my eyes when the carnivores harp on "eating ONLY tofu and maybe two cashews!!!!" or as my family sez "I'd die if I could only eat PB&Js, Mac and Cheese, and breadsticks! I'd be starving!!!" (to which I usually reply - yes, yes you would - I'm so glad I don't have to eat that stuff and still be vegetarian for most meals!!)
I find it rude for anyone to comment on what people are eating. I dated a guy (briefly!) who was a vegetarian. He ate the most unhealthy food (it was like a god damn college diet...but he was in his late 40s!) and would make comments about me eating something with a face on it. That is annoying as fuck!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 12:57:18 GMT -5
I think the whole marketing ploy to make "vegetarian/vegan" food be "meat" does more harm than good. There's lots of ways to add 'vegetarian' protein to one's diet... unfortunately it entails changing WHAT you consider "food" and what you consider makes a "meal". It's also an adjustment in regards to serving sizes (I witness my friends and family consume huge amounts of food regularly).
I don't really like eating tofu 7 days a week - so I change it up with tempeh (Trader Joe) and some "processed" seitan products Upton's, Field Roast, Dr. Praegers. I haven't gotten adventurous enough to make seitan stuff from scratch. I do use tempeh in 'from scratch' recipes like stuffed peppers and curried Chicken Salad.
FWIW: I vary up the nuts/seeds - I love adding pepitas or chia seeds to salads/soup/whatever (in addition to using walnuts and almonds).
Again, I'm a flexitarian - so if you want to eat meat - go for it. When I let it get to me I just roll my eyes when the carnivores harp on "eating ONLY tofu and maybe two cashews!!!!" or as my family sez "I'd die if I could only eat PB&Js, Mac and Cheese, and breadsticks! I'd be starving!!!" (to which I usually reply - yes, yes you would - I'm so glad I don't have to eat that stuff and still be vegetarian for most meals!!)
I find it rude for anyone to comment on what people are eating. I dated a guy (briefly!) who was a vegetarian. He ate the most unhealthy food (it was like a god damn college diet...but he was in his late 40s!) and would make comments about me eating something with a face on it. That is annoying as fuck! I was so glad when someone FINALLY called out my SIL on her "meat is evil! I am a vegan!" spiel. She still eats venison. She argued she can be a vegan and eat venison because the deer is shot by her husband. She's "vegan" because she doesn't eat commercial meat. Uh no. The whole stance of veganism is eating ANY animal products is considered exploitation. You can't be a vegan if you are still consuming animal products (eggs, milk, honey, meat). I have nothing against her wanting to eat less meat in her diet but don't talk the talk if you aren't actually walking the walk.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 12, 2017 13:07:03 GMT -5
I find it rude for anyone to comment on what people are eating. I dated a guy (briefly!) who was a vegetarian. He ate the most unhealthy food (it was like a god damn college diet...but he was in his late 40s!) and would make comments about me eating something with a face on it. That is annoying as fuck! I was so glad when someone FINALLY called out my SIL on her "meat is evil! I am a vegan!" spiel. She still eats venison. She argued she can be a vegan and eat venison because the deer is shot by her husband. She's "vegan" because she doesn't eat commercial meat. Uh no. The whole stance of veganism is eating ANY animal products is considered exploitation. You can't be a vegan if you are still consuming animal products (eggs, milk, honey, meat). I have nothing against her wanting to eat less meat in her diet but don't talk the talk if you aren't actually walking the walk. hahaha...I can't say I've ton research on veganism because....steak and bacon! but I'm pretty sure that no animal products can be consumed or worn. We had an annoying visitor in my office a few months ago who announced 30 minutes before lunch that he was vegan. Then complained non-stop about the few choices at the restaurant we took him, too. I felt like picking him some weeds from behind my office and tossing them to him!
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 12, 2017 13:08:50 GMT -5
Once a girl told me she adopted a healthy vegetarian diet. While we ate grilled chicken and veges, she ate a family sized bag of lays potato chips with sour cream dip.
No wonder she was fat. She couldn't even define healthy.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 12, 2017 13:54:39 GMT -5
Once a girl told me she adopted a healthy vegetarian diet. While we ate grilled chicken and veges, she ate a family sized bag of lays potato chips with sour cream dip. No wonder she was fat. She couldn't even define healthy. Sounds delicious though! I am a glutton for chips and dip. 😔
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Post by movingforward on Jul 12, 2017 14:08:33 GMT -5
Once a girl told me she adopted a healthy vegetarian diet. While we ate grilled chicken and veges, she ate a family sized bag of lays potato chips with sour cream dip. No wonder she was fat. She couldn't even define healthy. LOL! A good friend of mine is a vegetarian and very overweight. To be fair, she doesn't claim to do it for health reasons but for personal ones regarding animals. She eats a crap ton of carbs and something tells me that if she adopted more of a low carb/high protein diet she would be a heck of a lot healthier. I watched this documentary last night. Eh, I was not really impressed with the presentation. To each their own...I will continue to try and eat a balanced diet and stick to an exercise program. It seems to work for me and has kept my weight down for years.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 12, 2017 14:28:29 GMT -5
I looked into a "vegetarian" diet a few years ago, thinking I would find interesting ways to eat vegetables. Every recipe I found was a crap-ton of cheese, usually on some highly processed carb. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just felt the title of "vegetarian" was misleading. There are more vegetable based dishes now that use non-cheese proteins (beans, etc.) I just have yet to have a piece of tofu that didn't make me gag. Huge problem, so I will stick with meat.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 12, 2017 14:31:02 GMT -5
crisp the tofu - the texture is MUCH more palatable.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 12, 2017 14:31:55 GMT -5
I looked into a "vegetarian" diet a few years ago, thinking I would find interesting ways to eat vegetables. Every recipe I found was a crap-ton of cheese, usually on some highly processed carb. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just felt the title of "vegetarian" was misleading. There are more vegetable based dishes now that use non-cheese proteins (beans, etc.) I just have yet to have a piece of tofu that didn't make me gag. Huge problem, so I will stick with meat. Yummy!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 14:40:12 GMT -5
I looked into a "vegetarian" diet a few years ago, thinking I would find interesting ways to eat vegetables. Every recipe I found was a crap-ton of cheese, usually on some highly processed carb. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just felt the title of "vegetarian" was misleading. There are more vegetable based dishes now that use non-cheese proteins (beans, etc.) I just have yet to have a piece of tofu that didn't make me gag. Huge problem, so I will stick with meat. I noticed that too when looking at vegetarian cookbooks in the library. Apparently if you remove the meat it means you can claim the dish is "vegetarian" but hardly any of them are what I would consider healthy. The cookbook that used processed soy foods in every recipe was called "Skinny bitch". Bitch might be skinny but she likely doesn't have functioning kidneys after eating all that sodium. Try this book for interesting ways to eat vegetables. A lot of his recipes could be converted into vegetarian main dishes. I like this cookbook a lot because I can pick a weird vegetable at the farmer's market and odds are good he has a way to cook it. www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Sides-Recipes-Vegetables/dp/0345548183This is another good one. Not a vegetarian cookbook but it does have a lot of ideas for showcasing vegetables rather than throwing them on the plate as an after thought. www.amazon.com/Cooking-Farmers-Market-Jodi-Liano/dp/161628384X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1499888364&sr=1-2&keywords=Farmers+Market+cookbook
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 12, 2017 15:06:04 GMT -5
crisp the tofu - the texture is MUCH more palatable. I tried and failed. I keep getting advice to try again, this way, that way, etc. I keep failing. I guess I could buy 5 containers and just sit one Saturday and do it over and over until I figure it out, but right now means every failure is a time I need to have a plan B for dinner and everyone gets annoyed with me.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 15:10:15 GMT -5
crisp the tofu - the texture is MUCH more palatable. I tried and failed. I keep getting advice to try again, this way, that way, etc. I keep failing. I guess I could buy 5 containers and just sit one Saturday and do it over and over until I figure it out, but right now means every failure is a time I need to have a plan B for dinner and everyone gets annoyed with me. I'm that way with Quinoa. I've tried cooking it myself multiple times using every trick I've ever been given or read to make it more palatable to me. I've tried eating it at various resturants thinking that maybe I just really really suck at cooking Quinoa and if I ate it prepared by a professional I'd like it. Nope, it still tastes like bitter bird seed to me. DH likes it even when I cook it so it's got to be something "wrong" with me. I could probably buy a bag and force myself to eat it every single night until I adjust but that's a lot of money to spend and there are other foods I can eat. If I die at 75 because I didn't eat Quinoa so be it, at least I wont have to save so much money for old age.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 12, 2017 15:16:33 GMT -5
My family doesn't like quinoa either. I told them to suck it up and cooked it with chicken stock. They dutifully ate a couple of small bites. My husband said 'it wasn't the worst' - and then we got ice cream. #momfail
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 15:18:43 GMT -5
I can't do yogurt either. I've tried so many times and I just can't. The smell alone makes me want to vomit.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 12, 2017 15:23:34 GMT -5
I'm that way with Quinoa. I've tried cooking it myself multiple times using every trick I've ever been given or read to make it more palatable to me. I've tried eating it at various resturants thinking that maybe I just really really suck at cooking Quinoa and if I ate it prepared by a professional I'd like it. Nope, it still tastes like bitter bird seed to me. Wash/rinse it *very well/multiple times* in a fine-mesh strainer, then into a skillet and stir over medium heat until it dries out and starts to toast/changes to a golden color. Then add hot water and salt and cook until done. See if that helps.
You can also try "cutting" it with "sweeter" foods. My favorite is a grain salad made with quinoa, peeled/seeded/chopped tomatoes, lots of dried cranberries, lots of fresh shredded basil and an assertive vinaigrette made with mustard and finely chopped shallots.
Good luck!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 12, 2017 15:24:47 GMT -5
If you and your family are eating a balanced diet with lots of fruits, veggies, protein, and fiber, I don't get why you are stressing yourselves with trying to eat/make your family eat other healthy things that they don't like. IMO that is creating a problem where there is none. I'm all for branching out and trying new things, but if you try it once and don't like it, there's no point in continuing to make it knowing that no one will really enjoy it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 15:25:54 GMT -5
I'm that way with Quinoa. I've tried cooking it myself multiple times using every trick I've ever been given or read to make it more palatable to me. I've tried eating it at various resturants thinking that maybe I just really really suck at cooking Quinoa and if I ate it prepared by a professional I'd like it. Nope, it still tastes like bitter bird seed to me. Wash/rinse it *very well/multiple times* in a fine-mesh strainer, then into a skillet and stir over medium heat until it dries out and starts to toast/changes to a golden color. Then add hot water and salt and cook until done. See if that helps.
You can also try "cutting" it with "sweeter" foods. My favorite is a grain salad made with quinoa, peeled/seeded/chopped tomatoes, lots of dried cranberries, lots of fresh shredded basil and an assertive vinaigrette made with mustard and finely chopped shallots.
Good luck!
Done it, done it, done it, done it. I'm over trying to convince myself I need to like it. If I've made it to 34 without Quinoa in my life I will probably survive the rest of my life just fine not liking it.
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Post by kittensaver on Jul 12, 2017 15:26:32 GMT -5
Wash/rinse it *very well/multiple times* in a fine-mesh strainer, then into a skillet and stir over medium heat until it dries out and starts to toast/changes to a golden color. Then add hot water and salt and cook until done. See if that helps.
You can also try "cutting" it with "sweeter" foods. My favorite is a grain salad made with quinoa, peeled/seeded/chopped tomatoes, lots of dried cranberries, lots of fresh shredded basil and an assertive vinaigrette made with mustard and finely chopped shallots.
Good luck!
Done it, done it, done it, done it. I'm over trying to convince myself I need to like it. If I've made it to 34 without Quinoa in my life I will probably survive the rest of my life just fine not liking it. Oh well - it was worth a try
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 15:27:15 GMT -5
If you and your family are eating a balanced diet with lots of fruits, veggies, protein, and fiber, I don't get why you are stressing yourselves with trying to eat/make your family eat other healthy things that they don't like. IMO that is creating a problem where there is none. I'm all for branching out and trying new things, but if you try it once and don't like it, there's no point in continuing to make it knowing that no one will really enjoy it. Well supposedly you are supposed to try things 10 times before you can announce you actually dislike it. So being a glutton for punishment I make myself try it at least 10 different ways before I give up. But yes there are some things that are a one and done. I tried to cook with eggplant and it was so bad DH told me that I am never allowed to attempt to cook with it again.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 12, 2017 15:27:18 GMT -5
I can't do yogurt either. I've tried so many times and I just can't. The smell alone makes me want to vomit. smoothies is where I get my yogurt fix. A ripe banana, a spoonful of peanut butter, almond/soy milk, and a dollop of plain yogurt (and milled flaxseed for extra fiber) and you have a delicious drink filled with protein, fiber, potassium, and live active cultures. I've also added a dollop of yogurt to my oatmeal. It helps make it creamier and cools it down.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 12, 2017 15:29:04 GMT -5
If you and your family are eating a balanced diet with lots of fruits, veggies, protein, and fiber, I don't get why you are stressing yourselves with trying to eat/make your family eat other healthy things that they don't like. IMO that is creating a problem where there is none. I'm all for branching out and trying new things, but if you try it once and don't like it, there's no point in continuing to make it knowing that no one will really enjoy it. Well supposedly you are supposed to try things 10 times before you can announce you actually dislike it. So being a glutton for punishment I make myself try it at least 10 different ways before I give up. But yes there are some things that are a one and done. I tried to cook with eggplant and it was so bad DH told me that I am never allowed to attempt to cook with it again. who makes up these rules? And your DH is right, eggplant is pure vileness.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 12, 2017 15:32:00 GMT -5
Well supposedly you are supposed to try things 10 times before you can announce you actually dislike it. So being a glutton for punishment I make myself try it at least 10 different ways before I give up. But yes there are some things that are a one and done. I tried to cook with eggplant and it was so bad DH told me that I am never allowed to attempt to cook with it again. who makes up these rules? And your DH is right, eggplant is pure vileness. IDK. I would like them to meet my daughter. I like to try at least a few ways to cook something before I totally give up.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 12, 2017 15:35:05 GMT -5
If you and your family are eating a balanced diet with lots of fruits, veggies, protein, and fiber, I don't get why you are stressing yourselves with trying to eat/make your family eat other healthy things that they don't like. IMO that is creating a problem where there is none. I'm all for branching out and trying new things, but if you try it once and don't like it, there's no point in continuing to make it knowing that no one will really enjoy it. First off, I get bored of the same meals over and over, so I do like trying new things. I also try and incorporate the latest thinking in nutrition so my diet evolves along with our ever changing science. As I age I try to make small changes along the way that counteract the small changes that a normal aging process brings. Third, I agree with Drama that trying things once and declaring it off limits isn't good practice. I made brussel sprouts 5 times and they were disgusting and everyone hated them. On the 6th time, I got it right and now they are my family's favorite. If I stuck with only things that were successful the first time, we would eat nothing but cereal, spaghetti and frozen peas.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 12, 2017 15:37:01 GMT -5
I looked into a "vegetarian" diet a few years ago, thinking I would find interesting ways to eat vegetables. Every recipe I found was a crap-ton of cheese, usually on some highly processed carb. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I just felt the title of "vegetarian" was misleading. There are more vegetable based dishes now that use non-cheese proteins (beans, etc.) I just have yet to have a piece of tofu that didn't make me gag. Huge problem, so I will stick with meat. Oh. My. God. and I'm an atheist! LOL! Were those cook books from the 70's?
I'd recommend Nava Atlas cookbooks 5 Ingredient and the Vegetarian Express books - both have menu plans so you know how to combine the recipes into a meal. There are some recipes that call for out of the ordinary stuff - but the majority of them are "off the shelf" typical stuff.
check out www.vegkitchen.com
If you want fancy-smacy high end recipes I'd recommend the Veganomicom by Isa Chandra Moskowitz and Terry Hope Romero. there's some high calorie many ingredient many step recipes made with some ingredients that may be hard to find. (the recipes I've made from this book turned out better the second time I did them... yummy the first time - yummy and pretty looking the second time around.)
I've even got a "Cook book for College Students" that barely mentions cheese...
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