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Post by movingforward on Jul 14, 2017 13:03:59 GMT -5
Velveeta was a semi-staple when I was a kid and I am younger that you are! The only way I'll eat it now is when I make this sausage queso/dip. brick of Velveeta 2 can Ro-Tel browned Jimmy Dean Sausage
YUM! But definitely not a real food. So yummy! I make this almost every time I have people over. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. I ate a lot of processed food growing up. Just about everyone I knew did. This is the time when both parents starting working outside the home and convenience foods became "the thing." As much as my generation ate processed crap as kids, none of us were overweight. In fact, there were very few overweight kids in my school back then. Though I know processed food isn't good for people, I still believe the thing that is killing us the most is pure inactivity. You know, the general us, not you and me since we are active people
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Post by movingforward on Jul 14, 2017 13:05:26 GMT -5
Velveeta was a semi-staple when I was a kid and I am younger that you are! The only way I'll eat it now is when I make this sausage queso/dip. brick of Velveeta 2 can Ro-Tel browned Jimmy Dean Sausage YUM! But definitely not a real food. I make that except use 8 oz of cream cheese and one can of Rotel. (1 lb of the sausage, just in case yours is more) I like mine better because it's not Velveeta I have tried this with chicken but never sausage.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 14, 2017 13:09:41 GMT -5
I make that except use 8 oz of cream cheese and one can of Rotel. (1 lb of the sausage, just in case yours is more) I like mine better because it's not Velveeta I have tried this with chicken but never sausage. My favorite one is the Jimmy Dean Sage sausage.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 14, 2017 13:56:14 GMT -5
Velveeta was a semi-staple when I was a kid and I am younger that you are! The only way I'll eat it now is when I make this sausage queso/dip. brick of Velveeta 2 can Ro-Tel browned Jimmy Dean Sausage
YUM! But definitely not a real food. So yummy! I make this almost every time I have people over. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. I ate a lot of processed food growing up. Just about everyone I knew did. This is the time when both parents starting working outside the home and convenience foods became "the thing." As much as my generation ate processed crap as kids, none of us were overweight. In fact, there were very few overweight kids in my school back then. Though I know processed food isn't good for people, I still believe the thing that is killing us the most is pure inactivity. You know, the general us, not you and me since we are active people Same thing here. There were very few overweight kids when I went to school.
I remember being amazed at how many overweight kids there were when my kids started school. I haven't a clue what is causing it. I do know that everything is supersized now so maybe we all lost site of what actual serving sizes are? Everything I have read about weight (because I have my own struggles as an adult!) say that 80% is diet and 20% is exercise (I have seen it go as high as 90/10). Is it the food? Lack of exercise? Hormones we are putting in the food?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 14, 2017 14:07:28 GMT -5
Velveeta was a semi-staple when I was a kid and I am younger that you are! The only way I'll eat it now is when I make this sausage queso/dip. brick of Velveeta 2 can Ro-Tel browned Jimmy Dean Sausage
YUM! But definitely not a real food. So yummy! I make this almost every time I have people over. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. I ate a lot of processed food growing up. Just about everyone I knew did. This is the time when both parents starting working outside the home and convenience foods became "the thing." As much as my generation ate processed crap as kids, none of us were overweight. In fact, there were very few overweight kids in my school back then. Though I know processed food isn't good for people, I still believe the thing that is killing us the most is pure inactivity. You know, the general us, not you and me since we are active people I grew up at the same time, too. Both my parents worked. We NEVER had processed convenience foods...all meals were made from scratch. Looking back, they were very healthy meals.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2017 14:10:11 GMT -5
There is a theory going around out there that researchers are working on about the development of gut bacteria and what effect it has on digestion, hunger and weight. Even though you can change your gut bacterial make-up via food and such, they are looking for more evidence that some people are born with a better balance and it can stay with them their whole life.
They are using gut bacterial transplants with great success for some intestinal diseases (like Crohn's) and they keep finding that the receiving person migrates towards the weight of the donor.
If they can find the magic combination of bacteria that helps people start at a normal weight and makes it easier for them to stay there, it might be as standard as the vaccines they give them. Maybe everyone can get a better chance right from the start.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Jul 14, 2017 14:16:37 GMT -5
I think the level of processing even in the long-time processed foods has increased tremendously. I like to use American cheese as an example. Used to eat plain slices, and back in the day, if you ate them plain, you could fold them and they would break. Now, they are like plastic. They also don't qualify to be called cheese any longer and are called "cheese product" on the label. I discovered the deluxe deli, much more expensive stuff, is actually still called cheese on the label, and tastes like the stuff I liked when I was a kid. I don't even know WTF that other stuff is, but it's disgusting to me. I suspect the ingredients have changed like this in most of my old favorites from childhood: twinkies, swiss cake rolls, probably most cereals.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 14, 2017 14:17:46 GMT -5
In the 1940's and 50s, we drank from the water fountains in halls at school. No one carried cups/drinks around with them, no one ate/drank on the school buses. Today, watch a group of k-8's waiting for the bus. The kids have 36 oz Thirst Busters in their hands - and when the bus comes they carry the Thirst Buster onto the bus - along with a little bag of chips. Ie, continuous snacking/drinking has become a cultural thing.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 14, 2017 14:18:58 GMT -5
I think the level of processing even in the long-time processed foods has increased tremendously. I like to use American cheese as an example. Used to eat plain slices, and back in the day, if you ate them plain, you could fold them and they would break. Now, they are like plastic. They also don't qualify to be called cheese any longer and are called "cheese product" on the label. I discovered the deluxe deli, much more expensive stuff, is actually still called cheese on the label, and tastes like the stuff I liked when I was a kid. I don't even know WTF that other stuff is, but it's disgusting to me. I suspect the ingredients have changed like this in most of my old favorites from childhood: twinkies, swiss cake rolls, probably most cereals. My sister calls Velveeta & any of the "cheese food" products plastic cheese. I can't say I've ever seen any of it grow mold or go bad even if a kid left some in some weird place when they were little.
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Post by movingforward on Jul 14, 2017 14:25:05 GMT -5
I think the level of processing even in the long-time processed foods has increased tremendously. I like to use American cheese as an example. Used to eat plain slices, and back in the day, if you ate them plain, you could fold them and they would break. Now, they are like plastic. They also don't qualify to be called cheese any longer and are called "cheese product" on the label. I discovered the deluxe deli, much more expensive stuff, is actually still called cheese on the label, and tastes like the stuff I liked when I was a kid. I don't even know WTF that other stuff is, but it's disgusting to me. I suspect the ingredients have changed like this in most of my old favorites from childhood: twinkies, swiss cake rolls, probably most cereals. Yes, there are certain things that I am simply okay with paying more for and good cheese is one of them.
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Post by movingforward on Jul 14, 2017 14:41:26 GMT -5
I still think portion size has a ton to do with it...my grandparents made everything from scratch and were extremely overweight. They grew all their own veggies and slaughtered their own meat. I remember my grandfather going to the market and buying nothing but flour and sugar. My grandparents ate huge portions. They both had a lot of health issues due to their weight.
My mother didn't cook from scratch but was big on portion size. We were taught a lot about not overeating. We were never made to "clean our plates."
I have also always been extremely active. I still don't eat the greatest in the world (though I try must harder not to eat processed junk) but portion control and exercise seem to work for me.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 14, 2017 15:01:58 GMT -5
I think the level of processing even in the long-time processed foods has increased tremendously. I like to use American cheese as an example. Used to eat plain slices, and back in the day, if you ate them plain, you could fold them and they would break. Now, they are like plastic. They also don't qualify to be called cheese any longer and are called "cheese product" on the label. I discovered the deluxe deli, much more expensive stuff, is actually still called cheese on the label, and tastes like the stuff I liked when I was a kid. I don't even know WTF that other stuff is, but it's disgusting to me. I suspect the ingredients have changed like this in most of my old favorites from childhood: twinkies, swiss cake rolls, probably most cereals. My sister calls Velveeta & any of the "cheese food" products plastic cheese. I can't say I've ever seen any of it grow mold or go bad even if a kid left some in some weird place when they were little. Products that don't go bad typically retain very little moisture, have a lot of salt, or both. While processed cheese isn't particularly good for you, you needn't worry that its staying power is due to harmful preservatives. (There could be harmful preservatives, of course, but there doesn't need to be.) If you have a particularly cold fridge, some products, like jams, peanut butter, salad dressing, etc. that are supposed to go bad after a few months can last for a decade or more. I definitely wouldn't recommend it because of the risks involved, but it's possible. Back in my bachelor days, I accidentally polished off a bottle of Italian style dressing 7 years after its expiry date. I only discovered the error when I threw out the bottle. It was perfectly fine otherwise.
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Post by midjd on Jul 14, 2017 15:13:51 GMT -5
There is a theory going around out there that researchers are working on about the development of gut bacteria and what effect it has on digestion, hunger and weight. Even though you can change your gut bacterial make-up via food and such, they are looking for more evidence that some people are born with a better balance and it can stay with them their whole life. They are using gut bacterial transplants with great success for some intestinal diseases (like Crohn's) and they keep finding that the receiving person migrates towards the weight of the donor. If they can find the magic combination of bacteria that helps people start at a normal weight and makes it easier for them to stay there, it might be as standard as the vaccines they give them. Maybe everyone can get a better chance right from the start. I think there's something to that. Certainly there's still a decent chunk of the US adult population (30 percent?) that isn't overweight or obese, and I don't think all of them have uber-healthy eating habits (I sure don't). Most of the countries with very low obesity rates also have a highly homogeneous population (Japan, India, etc.), which could be explained by genetic similarities in gut flora. There's no denying that scarfing Big Macs at every meal and having a completely sedentary lifestyle isn't going to help someone lose weight, but it's definitely more complicated than "eat less, exercise more."
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Post by movingforward on Jul 14, 2017 15:30:56 GMT -5
It is certainly difficult for people who have certain medical conditions or are on certain types of medications,etc. to lose weight, and I am sure there are other issues certain individuals have to deal with as well. How many of those that are overweight are dealing with these type of conditions, I don't know . I do know that I have seen a crap ton of people simply cut down on carbs and sugar, add some exercise and lose weight. So while I agree that "eat less, exercise more" isn't the answer for everyone, I believe it is probably the answer for a lot of people who are overweight.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 14, 2017 15:31:36 GMT -5
My sister calls Velveeta & any of the "cheese food" products plastic cheese. I can't say I've ever seen any of it grow mold or go bad even if a kid left some in some weird place when they were little. Products that don't go bad typically retain very little moisture, have a lot of salt, or both. While processed cheese isn't particularly good for you, you needn't worry that its staying power is due to harmful preservatives. (There could be harmful preservatives, of course, but there doesn't need to be.) If you have a particularly cold fridge, some products, like jams, peanut butter, salad dressing, etc. that are supposed to go bad after a few months can last for a decade or more. I definitely wouldn't recommend it because of the risks involved, but it's possible. Back in my bachelor days, I accidentally polished off a bottle of Italian style dressing 7 years after its expiry date. I only discovered the error when I threw out the bottle. It was perfectly fine otherwise. I wasn't necessarily saying it's going to kill you but when you let it sit at room temp for a while and it doesn't do anything but get harder, you get less interested in eating a lot of it. I love to keep my fridge very cold and I'm sure some things have lasted quite a while past that expiration date. Maybe not a decade but long past that date marked for sure. DS doesn't seem to believe it's ok, so if he finds something particularly old, he will toss it if I don't expressly tell him not to. I'm not even going to mention how old the Italian dressing in my fridge is. Mostly because I don't know.
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Post by thyme4change on Jul 14, 2017 15:53:53 GMT -5
I think the level of processing even in the long-time processed foods has increased tremendously. I like to use American cheese as an example. Used to eat plain slices, and back in the day, if you ate them plain, you could fold them and they would break. Now, they are like plastic. They also don't qualify to be called cheese any longer and are called "cheese product" on the label. I discovered the deluxe deli, much more expensive stuff, is actually still called cheese on the label, and tastes like the stuff I liked when I was a kid. I don't even know WTF that other stuff is, but it's disgusting to me. I suspect the ingredients have changed like this in most of my old favorites from childhood: twinkies, swiss cake rolls, probably most cereals. My sister calls Velveeta & any of the "cheese food" products plastic cheese. I can't say I've ever seen any of it grow mold or go bad even if a kid left some in some weird place when they were little. Velveeta is actually melted traffic cones. But, at least we are recycling!
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Jul 14, 2017 15:57:38 GMT -5
My sister calls Velveeta & any of the "cheese food" products plastic cheese. I can't say I've ever seen any of it grow mold or go bad even if a kid left some in some weird place when they were little. Velveeta is actually melted traffic cones. But, at least we are recycling! After several years of not eating it, I had some recently and that's about what it tastes like.
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Post by jkapp on Jul 15, 2017 8:35:09 GMT -5
Velveeta was a semi-staple when I was a kid and I am younger that you are! The only way I'll eat it now is when I make this sausage queso/dip. brick of Velveeta 2 can Ro-Tel browned Jimmy Dean Sausage
YUM! But definitely not a real food. So yummy! I make this almost every time I have people over. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. I ate a lot of processed food growing up. Just about everyone I knew did. This is the time when both parents starting working outside the home and convenience foods became "the thing." As much as my generation ate processed crap as kids, none of us were overweight. In fact, there were very few overweight kids in my school back then. Though I know processed food isn't good for people, I still believe the thing that is killing us the most is pure inactivity. You know, the general us, not you and me since we are active people I agree with this...we ate everything back then that they say now you shouldn't eat. But we also were outside all day every day riding our bikes around the neighborhood or running/playing around the park. You see kids now and they're just moving their thumbs around creating text messages. You can eat nothing but fruits and veggies but if all you do is sit on your ass sending texts then you're not really healthy.
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jul 19, 2017 16:26:04 GMT -5
Here's a huge study referenced in popular science that says what you all were saying, becoming a vegan does nothing for you if you continue to eat crap (sugar and processed items). www.popsci.com/amp/vegetarian-vegan-not-always-healthyStill going strong here. I'm super interested in what my blood work will show come August. Very doubtful I'll stay meat and cheeseless forever. We'll see. Things are going pretty good so I'll stay on course until they're not. Anyone cut back since watching the documentary or discussing it?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 19, 2017 17:56:02 GMT -5
Vegetarian men are better lovers. I can absolutely vouch for that.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 19, 2017 19:40:05 GMT -5
I know someone who would ABSOLUTELY disagree with you.
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Post by cameragrrl on Aug 8, 2017 14:26:12 GMT -5
Pretty sure people will see "What the Health?" documentary and drastically decrease their consumption of meat and dairy. I hope so anyway. There has to be a better way to feed the world. We cannot sustain this way of living. Not enough resources in the long run. Please watch the documentary (available on Netflix) and let's talk about possible money and resources saved if consumer behaviors change. Health benefits alone could be a game changer. This popped up on facebook today and I found it interesting. www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/7/25/16018658/what-the-health-documentary-review-vegan-diet
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