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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 13:00:32 GMT -5
Regardless, most people do not limit their portion of meat to the size of a deck of cards. It's usually way, way more.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jul 3, 2017 13:25:07 GMT -5
Regardless, most people do not limit their portion of meat to the size of a deck of cards. It's usually way, way more. Ha, that goes for just about every food. I don't eat cereal often, but when I do, the serving is usually closer to 2 cups, not one. Even my three year old wants a second bowl when I only give her a 3/4 cup size "serving" and she usually gets a serving of fruit with it. A serving size for eggs is 1. Who eats just one scrambled egg? Everyone gets two in my house. Nobody is overweight.
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Post by Opti on Jul 3, 2017 13:25:59 GMT -5
Regardless, most people do not limit their portion of meat to the size of a deck of cards. It's usually way, way more. I think it varies. Some people eat more and some must eat less to none at all. Found a link from 2012. I took meat consumption to mean beef plus pork, which averages to .28lbs. per day in the US per person and added an estimate of chicken plus turkey. I came up with basically .5 lb. per person per day which is higher than most countries, but thankfully not as dramatic as some imply.
I personally find I am able to keep my weight down better if I use 4 oz. servings of beef, chicken or turkey versus 3 oz. servings for lunch or dinner. (Those are uncooked weights) I use 2 to 2.5 ounces of canned tuna at a meal.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Jul 3, 2017 14:22:26 GMT -5
Regardless, most people do not limit their portion of meat to the size of a deck of cards. It's usually way, way more. Ha, that goes for just about every food. I don't eat cereal often, but when I do, the serving is usually closer to 2 cups, not one. Even my three year old wants a second bowl when I only give her a 3/4 cup size "serving" and she usually gets a serving of fruit with it. A serving size for eggs is 1. Who eats just one scrambled egg? Everyone gets two in my house. Nobody is overweight.Me! One fried egg and half a bagel is enough for breakfast! It's either that or Greek yogurt with peanut butter for my weekend breakfasts at home.
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Post by gooddecisions on Jul 3, 2017 14:55:32 GMT -5
Ha, that goes for just about every food. I don't eat cereal often, but when I do, the serving is usually closer to 2 cups, not one. Even my three year old wants a second bowl when I only give her a 3/4 cup size "serving" and she usually gets a serving of fruit with it. A serving size for eggs is 1. Who eats just one scrambled egg? Everyone gets two in my house. Nobody is overweight.Me! One fried egg and half a bagel is enough for breakfast! It's either that or Greek yogurt with peanut butter for my weekend breakfasts at home. I just read an article that said a proper serving size for a bagel is 2 oz, or a third of most bagels or half with most of the inside carved out. Point is, if you are not overweight, then you are probably doing a fine job moderating your serving sizes, regardless of what a "proper" serving size is. I am guessing few here are eating 16 oz porter steaks daily.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 3, 2017 15:31:11 GMT -5
I'm reading the title of this thread again... I hate to say it but this documentary will do nothing.
Cigarettes cause cancer and people still smoke. While it has halved in the past half century, it still is around 15-20% depending on the demographic.
Global warming is proven, the president wants to sell our national parks.
Someone could PROVE that meat will make you keel over and die and it literally doesn't matter. Nobody is going to change their diet based on one little biased documentary.
I mean, I'm sympathetic to the cause and I'm still not going vegan.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 3, 2017 19:11:13 GMT -5
How many people are eating that much meat per meal? How many people can actually eat it in ONE siting? You'd be surprised. Those "Eat a huge steak and get it free." promotions are usually 72 oz. steaks, and there's a time limit. It's the only "safe" minimum that won't see the restaurants promoting themselves into bankruptcy. I'd bet you 10% of the adult male population could put away 32 oz. (2 lbs.) of steak in a single meal on a good night. Not healthy in the least, but definitely doable. I seem to recall that at one point in my teenage years I put away two 10 oz. steaks in one sitting, along with garlic bread, stuffed potato, caesar salad, and pie for dessert. It's remarkable how many calories even an average Joe can put away.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 3, 2017 19:28:02 GMT -5
People might be catching on better than you think, but the progress is so slow that we don't see it. Eg, when I got my engineering degree (1963) there was an ash tray on every desk. And when we went to meetings, the Conf Room table had several ash trays. And I'd guess that 2/3 of the people were smoking, often several cigs during a meeting. Those were truly smoke-filled rooms, my shirts smelled of smoke.
By 1998 (retirement) there wasn't an ash tray in the building - there was a small tree in a court yard and 6 or 10 people were there smoking a break-time (out of 1500 employees). On business trips, the airplanes had ash trays in the arm rests and , except for take off/landings half of the passengers had cigs burning. Now, 40 years later, you would be astonished to see someone walk thru a store w/ a cig, have a cig in a public building, etc. The cut-back in smoking has been a complete behavioral shift of our culture.
Red meat - similar trend, 40 years ago restaurants steaks were all 10 or 12 oz, thick and fat, people thought that was normal (in the US). Now you'll see way more people eating fish, or a lean 6 oz steak. The post asked will producers 'see' the effect? You bet, the cattle growers noticed it starting in about 1980.
Global warming. The US has made good strides in cutting greenhouse gases - freon, catalytic converters, smog pumps, lead-free gasoline, almost double the fleet gas mileage, High seer AC, low energy furnaces/appliances, etc. But there is a small glitch - we are only 5% or the world population, while we cut our carbon usage substantially, the other 95% of the world (many emerging nations) are building coal plants 10X faster than we can cutback. Ie, its a world problem, smog can blow from China to CA in only a couple days. So the Paris Accord would be useless unless we lead the way with a simple affordable solution that emerging nations can pattern after (it has to be cheaper/easier than coal). But we don't always get it right - everyone likes to do their part and sort/recycle their paper/garbage, yada. Turns out that is a feel-good thing, it actually takes more carbon to recycle that it does to let it decay (But don't tell a greenie, they are proud and you'll hurt their feelings).
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People might be catching on better than you think, but the progress is so slow that we don't see it. Eg, when I got my engineering degree (1963) there was an ash tray on every desk. And when we went to meetings, the Conf Room table had several ash trays. And I'd guess that 2/3 of the people were smoking, often several cigs during a meeting. Those were truly smoke-filled rooms, my shirts smelled of smoke. By 1998 (retirement) there wasn't an ash tray in the building - there was a small tree in a court yard and 6 or 10 people were there smoking a break-time (out of 1500 employees). On business trips, the airplanes had ash trays in the arm rests and , except for take off/landings half of the passengers had cigs burning. Now, 40 years later, you would be astonished to see someone walk thru a store w/ a cig, have a cig in a public building, etc. The cut-back in smoking has been a complete behavioral shift of our culture. Red meat - similar trend, 40 years ago restaurants steaks were all 10 or 12 oz, thick and fat, people thought that was normal (in the US). Now you'll see way more people eating fish, or a lean 6 oz steak. The post asked will producers 'see' the effect? You bet, the cattle growers noticed it starting in about 1980. Global warming. The US has made good strides in cutting greenhouse gases - freon, catalytic converters, smog pumps, lead-free gasoline, almost double the fleet gas mileage, High seer AC, low energy furnaces/appliances, etc. But there is a small glitch - we are only 5% or the world population, while we cut our carbon usage substantially, the other 95% of the world (many emerging nations) are building coal plants 10X faster than we can cutback. Ie, its a world problem, smog can blow from China to CA in only a couple days. So the Paris Accord would be useless unless we lead the way with a simple affordable solution that emerging nations can pattern after (it has to be cheaper/easier than coal). But we don't always get it right - everyone likes to do their part and sort/recycle their paper/garbage, yada. Turns out that is a feel-good thing, it actually takes more carbon to recycle that it does to let it decay (But don't tell a greenie, they are proud and you'll hurt their feelings). Those really aren't the two paths though, recycle vs let it sit. The comparable are recycle or produce from virgin materials. There are also additional benefits of recycling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:44:41 GMT -5
How many people are eating that much meat per meal? How many people can actually eat it in ONE siting? You'd be surprised. Those "Eat a huge steak and get it free." promotions are usually 72 oz. steaks, and there's a time limit. It's the only "safe" minimum that won't see the restaurants promoting themselves into bankruptcy. I'd bet you 10% of the adult male population could put away 32 oz. (2 lbs.) of steak in a single meal on a good night. Not healthy in the least, but definitely doable. I seem to recall that at one point in my teenage years I put away two 10 oz. steaks in one sitting, along with garlic bread, stuffed potato, caesar salad, and pie for dessert. It's remarkable how many calories even an average Joe can put away. Not really a question of is it doable but is it routinely done... the only steaks on the menu I can think might reach 24? Maybe? Precook? And include bone. Even then, most people are not routinely eating those.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 3, 2017 19:47:23 GMT -5
How many people are eating that much meat per meal? How many people can actually eat it in ONE siting? You'd be surprised. Those "Eat a huge steak and get it free." promotions are usually 72 oz. steaks, and there's a time limit. It's the only "safe" minimum that won't see the restaurants promoting themselves into bankruptcy. I'd bet you 10% of the adult male population could put away 32 oz. (2 lbs.) of steak in a single meal on a good night. Not healthy in the least, but definitely doable. I seem to recall that at one point in my teenage years I put away two 10 oz. steaks in one sitting, along with garlic bread, stuffed potato, caesar salad, and pie for dessert. It's remarkable how many calories even an average Joe can put away. There was a 1989 Sports Illustrated article that profiled Tony Mandarich, an offensive lineman at Michigan State, leading up to the NFL draft. He was regarded as the best OL prospect to come into the league maybe ever. A tremendous athlete who worked out constantly, but eventually began taking steroids and never made it big in the NFL. He is regarded now as one of the biggest busts in draft history. This was reported in the magazine as his weekly shopping list. (May or may not have been true though.)
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 3, 2017 20:05:40 GMT -5
Another such story was 1980s Chicago Bear - Refrigerator Perry, weighed 335.
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Post by beergut on Jul 3, 2017 20:19:21 GMT -5
You'd be surprised. Those "Eat a huge steak and get it free." promotions are usually 72 oz. steaks, and there's a time limit. It's the only "safe" minimum that won't see the restaurants promoting themselves into bankruptcy. I'd bet you 10% of the adult male population could put away 32 oz. (2 lbs.) of steak in a single meal on a good night. Not healthy in the least, but definitely doable. I seem to recall that at one point in my teenage years I put away two 10 oz. steaks in one sitting, along with garlic bread, stuffed potato, caesar salad, and pie for dessert. It's remarkable how many calories even an average Joe can put away. There was a 1989 Sports Illustrated article that profiled Tony Mandarich, an offensive lineman at Michigan State, leading up to the NFL draft. He was regarded as the best OL prospect to come into the league maybe ever. A tremendous athlete who worked out constantly, but eventually began taking steroids and never made it big in the NFL. He is regarded now as one of the biggest busts in draft history. This was reported in the magazine as his weekly shopping list. (May or may not have been true though.) Mandarich was taking steroids throughout his whole time at Michigan State, he started in high school. Rick Telander, the author of the SI article, has said that he knew Mandarich was juicing at the time, but couldn't come out and say it because he had passed the three drug tests he had taken up to that point, including one at the combine. Mandarich was allegedly consuming between 12k-15k calories a day while working out twice a day, which is how he excused/hid his steroid use. Caloric consumption on that level explains such a shopping list. Recall that swimmer Michael Phelps consumed 12k calories a day while training for the Olympics. I remember reading the SI article and seeing a picture of what I thought was Mandarich's father, but turned out to be Tony. The reason I thought it was his father? The incredible receding hairline at 22 made me think he was much older. Mandarich is a poster child for steroid abuse, although he's admitted now that a painkiller addiction stunted his career with the Packers.
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Recall that swimmer Michael Phelps consumed 12k calories a day while training for the Olympics. Yes- my nephew was an Olympic swimmer (teammate of Phelps in the 2008 and 2012 games) and he ate a LOT. A work colleague who was on Harvard's swim team said that she had to log her food intake for a HS nutrition assignment and the teacher thought she was making it up. Heck, why do you think *I* work out every day? Believe me, I like burning an extra 700 calories.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 3, 2017 21:21:22 GMT -5
Yes. I got the "recycle thing" from Energy For Future Presidents by Richard Muller, a Berkeley Physics prof. He closes his Recycle section w/ "So, recyling paper neither saves trees nor reduces greenhouse emissions. - - - recognize that people who are misinformed about it are likely to be upset when they find out that they've been misled." lol, he's got a neat sense of humor.
Recycling has been around a long time, I recall during WW2 my mother cut both ends out of tin cans and stepped on them to mash them flat. When we went to town we turned in cans, newspapers, and magazines. We had no paper towels, no kleenex, almost no paper in our house, no need for a waste basket. Products from stores were unwrapped, no plastic shrink wrap to fight with. Actually, plastic was not in common use, the first plastic that I ever saw was bright colored chicken rings - leg bands for marking chickens. And we called it celluloid.
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Post by swamp on Jul 3, 2017 22:51:18 GMT -5
Recall that swimmer Michael Phelps consumed 12k calories a day while training for the Olympics. Yes- my nephew was an Olympic swimmer (teammate of Phelps in the 2008 and 2012 games) and he ate a LOT. A work colleague who was on Harvard's swim team said that she had to log her food intake for a HS nutrition assignment and the teacher thought she was making it up. Heck, why do you think *I* work out every day? Believe me, I like burning an extra 700 calories. Competitive swimming rocks for being able to eat whatever you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 5:12:47 GMT -5
Yes. I got the "recycle thing" from Energy For Future Presidents by Richard Muller, a Berkeley Physics prof. He closes his Recycle section w/ "So, recyling paper neither saves trees nor reduces greenhouse emissions. - - - recognize that people who are misinformed about it are likely to be upset when they find out that they've been misled." lol, he's got a neat sense of humor. Recycling has been around a long time, I recall during WW2 my mother cut both ends out of tin cans and stepped on them to mash them flat. When we went to town we turned in cans, newspapers, and magazines. We had no paper towels, no kleenex, almost no paper in our house, no need for a waste basket. Products from stores were unwrapped, no plastic shrink wrap to fight with. Actually, plastic was not in common use, the first plastic that I ever saw was bright colored chicken rings - leg bands for marking chickens. And we called it celluloid. Recycling paper isn't the same as plastic...etc. They really aren't comparable at all.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 4, 2017 7:44:21 GMT -5
How many people are eating that much meat per meal? How many people can actually eat it in ONE siting? You'd be surprised. Those "Eat a huge steak and get it free." promotions are usually 72 oz. steaks, and there's a time limit. It's the only "safe" minimum that won't see the restaurants promoting themselves into bankruptcy. I'd bet you 10% of the adult male population could put away 32 oz. (2 lbs.) of steak in a single meal on a good night. Not healthy in the least, but definitely doable. I seem to recall that at one point in my teenage years I put away two 10 oz. steaks in one sitting, along with garlic bread, stuffed potato, caesar salad, and pie for dessert. It's remarkable how many calories even an average Joe can put away. Today on TV is the hot dog eating contest! First off, athletes in training burn a huge number of calories. You can't compare their data to that of someone who sits in an office all day. For athletes who need to maintain weight for their sport (football lineman), they have to intentionally eat to maintain weight. My son played football, basketball, tennis and track (shot put) in high school. At beginning of summer football camp his senior year he was 6'1" and 245. He had some opportunities to go to small colleges for football but would need to keep his weight up. He did not want to continue football, and did not try to keep weight. A year later at start of college he was 6'3" 205.
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Post by beergut on Jul 4, 2017 19:25:16 GMT -5
You'd be surprised. Those "Eat a huge steak and get it free." promotions are usually 72 oz. steaks, and there's a time limit. It's the only "safe" minimum that won't see the restaurants promoting themselves into bankruptcy. I'd bet you 10% of the adult male population could put away 32 oz. (2 lbs.) of steak in a single meal on a good night. Not healthy in the least, but definitely doable. I seem to recall that at one point in my teenage years I put away two 10 oz. steaks in one sitting, along with garlic bread, stuffed potato, caesar salad, and pie for dessert. It's remarkable how many calories even an average Joe can put away. Today on TV is the hot dog eating contest! First off, athletes in training burn a huge number of calories. You can't compare their data to that of someone who sits in an office all day. For athletes who need to maintain weight for their sport (football lineman), they have to intentionally eat to maintain weight. My son played football, basketball, tennis and track (shot put) in high school. At beginning of summer football camp his senior year he was 6'1" and 245. He had some opportunities to go to small colleges for football but would need to keep his weight up. He did not want to continue football, and did not try to keep weight. A year later at start of college he was 6'3" 205. It's not just food consumption, they also have to be on supplements. To play DI-A football today as a lineman, you basically have to be 6'0+ and 300-320 lbs. A lot of guys who play at that level also have high metabolism, and probably can get to 270 lbs naturally through eating a lot and working out. They are forced to consume supplements to add on more protein and more calories to get them over 300 lbs. You see this most after they stop playing football and working out, and drop down to 220 or so. I know linemen who played in the NFL at over 300 lbs and are now a comfortable 225 lbs now that they're no longer required to gain weight. This has actually led to some eating disorders among some players after they leave the game, because guys who had to eat and eat and eat and eat have to drastically reduce their intake/up their exercise after they stop playing, because their metabolism slows, and all that eating makes them gain a bunch of weight right on their stomach. Guys who already had slow metabolisms while they played are now not burning as many calories, and progress to morbid obesity before they get help. An easier non-lineman example is Troy Aikman, Hall of Fame QB for the Dallas Cowboys. Troy played at 6'4 220 lbs from 1989-2000. In the year after he retired, he quickly ballooned up to 260 lbs before he got a handle on his eating and cut his weight back down to a healthy level. 6'1 245 lbs is a small TE/big receiver at the highest college level, or an undersized defensive end.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 4, 2017 20:51:08 GMT -5
Abimbola Aina, aka Mr. Saskatchewan, eats a minimum of $700 worth of food every week. He puts away a dozen eggs in a sitting.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 4, 2017 22:05:35 GMT -5
That's nothing, really.
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Post by alabamagal on Jul 5, 2017 10:27:52 GMT -5
Today on TV is the hot dog eating contest! First off, athletes in training burn a huge number of calories. You can't compare their data to that of someone who sits in an office all day. For athletes who need to maintain weight for their sport (football lineman), they have to intentionally eat to maintain weight. My son played football, basketball, tennis and track (shot put) in high school. At beginning of summer football camp his senior year he was 6'1" and 245. He had some opportunities to go to small colleges for football but would need to keep his weight up. He did not want to continue football, and did not try to keep weight. A year later at start of college he was 6'3" 205. It's not just food consumption, they also have to be on supplements. To play DI-A football today as a lineman, you basically have to be 6'0+ and 300-320 lbs. A lot of guys who play at that level also have high metabolism, and probably can get to 270 lbs naturally through eating a lot and working out. They are forced to consume supplements to add on more protein and more calories to get them over 300 lbs. You see this most after they stop playing football and working out, and drop down to 220 or so. I know linemen who played in the NFL at over 300 lbs and are now a comfortable 225 lbs now that they're no longer required to gain weight. This has actually led to some eating disorders among some players after they leave the game, because guys who had to eat and eat and eat and eat have to drastically reduce their intake/up their exercise after they stop playing, because their metabolism slows, and all that eating makes them gain a bunch of weight right on their stomach. Guys who already had slow metabolisms while they played are now not burning as many calories, and progress to morbid obesity before they get help. An easier non-lineman example is Troy Aikman, Hall of Fame QB for the Dallas Cowboys. Troy played at 6'4 220 lbs from 1989-2000. In the year after he retired, he quickly ballooned up to 260 lbs before he got a handle on his eating and cut his weight back down to a healthy level. 6'1 245 lbs is a small TE/big receiver at the highest college level, or an undersized defensive end. I was glad when DS decided not to pursue football. He had the body type, athletic ability and intelligence (offensive lineman is one of most difficult positions after QB ) to play, but I really didn't want to see him put on all that weight. I think he looks much better now, he is still a big tall muscular guy. And he just finished college with academic scholarship that paid almost all his tuition. Based on our family history of gaining weight as you get older and potential type 2 diabetes, I think it is better to make it through your 20s at a good weight and try to maintain that weight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 7:27:11 GMT -5
I watched the first half hour of this last night and I'm not eating again. Ever. I was snacking on fat-free yogurt to which I'd added wheat bran, blueberries and honey and feeling pretty virtuous. No, dairy is evil, too. I had to pour myself a glass of scotch to calm down.
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Post by swamp on Jul 7, 2017 8:13:53 GMT -5
I watched the first half hour of this last night and I'm not eating again. Ever. I was snacking on fat-free yogurt to which I'd added wheat bran, blueberries and honey and feeling pretty virtuous. No, dairy is evil, too. I had to pour myself a glass of scotch to calm down. Just think of those poor Scotchmen who died in the making of the scotch!!!!
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Post by Mrs. Dinero on Jul 7, 2017 8:38:13 GMT -5
I haven't eaten meat (including fish) or dairy since watching the documentary on June 25. Day 3 of vacation and so far so good. I am not checking labels so technically I'm not vegan and I don't think I'll ever claim to be or talk about these self imposed restrictions. I feel great. My skin is amazing. My energy has increased. My attitude is better. I feel satisfied, I thought I would be starving. I thought I would die without cheese. I'm going to see if I can continue as long as possible. Very excited about annual blood work in August. Minimal weight loss although my clothes feel better; can't really tell 100% because of monthly hormone changes and not having a scale on vacation. I'm not eating a ton of carbs and crap. When family had pizza I had huge salad and breadsticks. Normally I wouldn't have eaten the breadsticks or the salad. I received the nutrients from the salad and less calories from breadsticks than the amount of pizza I would have eaten. Don't see the harm in trying to decrease meat and dairy consumption.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 8:49:01 GMT -5
There is no harm in it. If you want to do it, go for it. I won't be limiting my meat intake, I don't care to. I do need to back off dairy, but it's because I personally know that I, as an individual, feel worse when I consume it, except for a few kinds/instances.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 7, 2017 10:50:13 GMT -5
Good. Our family cut back on red meat, carbs, etc in the 1980s, and we quit raising our pastured beef. I see two points in the documentary that can be analyzed separately - (1) healthy food and (2) animal welfare.
Animal Welfare. I grew up on a farm during WW2, animals were our livelihood, we did not mistreat them, quite the opposite. At that time Society was much closer to Agrarian, you either lived on a farm or knew someone who did. Now, our Society is mostly Urban - meat, eggs, milk, cheese come from the "store" w/ little knowledge of how it got there. In my case, we milked cows twice daily, we gathered eggs daily (pastured cage-free hens), we butchered one of two hogs every year, butchered roosters, etc. So the harvesting of eggs, milk, meat was commonplace, and harvesting in a humane manner was mandatory to most of us. But to later generations, killing/butchering is 'mean', milking cows is mean, etc - no debate allowed. Hopefully the truth will be in the middle - animals need to be given a pleasant, cage-free life. And harvested using humane methods.
Health. IMO science tells up that red-meat, in excess is bad for us. Maybe 50 years ago, it was postulated that about 20% of what a US citizen eats is necessary, the other 80% is mostly gluttony and leads to obesity. Moderation/portion size seems to be the key (as opposed to 'bad food/good food').
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I've read commentary with Michael Pollan who is asked if he hears from readers who became vegetarian after reading Omnivores Dilemma... he said a few, but from just as many if not more former vegetarians who, upon learning that there do exist local, sustainable run, happy animal farms with humane harvesting methods, switched back to meat to some degree or another.
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Rukh O'Rorke
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Joined: Jul 4, 2016 13:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jul 7, 2017 11:34:31 GMT -5
It takes dedication to commit and some people can't do it long haul. I consider every vegan meal to be a positive.
My usual reaction to hearing about someone converting is to wait for a few years to see if it is really a lasting change.
For me, 30 years as a vegetarian, it's a non issue. I consider a tofu stir fry to be a heavy, indulgent meal.
I could never go back. That's for sure, there is not the slightest desire for any of it, and quite a bit of revulsion for meat itself. But it does take some time to completely detach from eating habits begun in infancy and many cannot stay the course long enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 12:32:09 GMT -5
Fruits and veggies are not above reproach, either, which is what's so scary. Pesticides, fertilizers, GMO versions and crap in the soil and the air affect plant-based foods as well.
Having said that- over the past 10 years I've gradually cut back on meat. DH always cooked good, down-home stuff like meat loaf or steak on the grill. I started cutting back to about 1,000 calories 2 days a week, which meant very little meat or any other protein. Over a long period I went from 147 lbs. to my current weight of 127. I'm 5'7". I feel VERY good at this weight. Now that DH is gone, I eat even less meat and I'm trying to cut back on refined carbs. I'm perfectly happy with beans, lentils, bulghur or quinoa with veggies for dinner.
A friend is coming over for dinner tomorrow and we're having beef kabobs on the grill. I just bought a piece of boneless sirloin. Glad I don't do that very often, both for health and financial reasons!
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