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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 2, 2017 19:39:35 GMT -5
i disagree. From a health stand point, it isn't the meat that is making us fat. It is all of the processed frankenfood and huge carb consumption that is making us fat. The only time I can lose weight is when I do low carb We have an obesity epidemic but it is not caused by meat and dairy My grandmother used to tell me stories about her brother and other guys who would eat tons of meat and no carbs to loose weight so they wouldn't be drafted during WWI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 19:47:56 GMT -5
i disagree. From a health stand point, it isn't the meat that is making us fat. It is all of the processed frankenfood and huge carb consumption that is making us fat. The only time I can lose weight is when I do low carb We have an obesity epidemic but it is not caused by meat and dairy It's because everyone sits around on their ass all day eating Nutty Bars and talking about diets and politics on message boards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2017 20:03:19 GMT -5
I tried the no meat thing today and only made it until 5:00, when I got a massive taco craving. I think DS and I polished off almost a pound of hamburger in one sitting.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 2, 2017 20:26:45 GMT -5
i disagree. From a health stand point, it isn't the meat that is making us fat. It is all of the processed frankenfood and huge carb consumption that is making us fat. The only time I can lose weight is when I do low carb We have an obesity epidemic but it is not caused by meat and dairy It's because everyone sits around on their ass all day eating Nutty Bars and talking about diets and politics on message boards. Drool nutty bars.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 2, 2017 20:27:55 GMT -5
I could give up red meat but cheese? Never.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 2, 2017 20:39:46 GMT -5
i disagree. From a health stand point, it isn't the meat that is making us fat. It is all of the processed frankenfood and huge carb consumption that is making us fat. The only time I can lose weight is when I do low carb We have an obesity epidemic but it is not caused by meat and dairy It's because everyone sits around on their ass all day eating Nutty Bars and talking about diets and politics on message boards. lol!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 2, 2017 21:15:04 GMT -5
I tried the no meat thing today and only made it until 5:00, when I got a massive taco craving. I think DS and I polished off almost a pound of hamburger in one sitting. I love fish tacos.
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Post by beergut on Jul 3, 2017 0:54:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure people will see "What the Health?" documentary and drastically decrease their consumption of meat and dairy. I hope so anyway. There has to be a better way to feed the world. We cannot sustain this way of living. Not enough resources in the long run. Please watch the documentary (available on Netflix) and let's talk about possible money and resources saved if consumer behaviors change. Health benefits alone could be a game changer. Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand.
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Post by Opti on Jul 3, 2017 2:48:32 GMT -5
Pretty sure people will see "What the Health?" documentary and drastically decrease their consumption of meat and dairy. I hope so anyway. There has to be a better way to feed the world. We cannot sustain this way of living. Not enough resources in the long run. Please watch the documentary (available on Netflix) and let's talk about possible money and resources saved if consumer behaviors change. Health benefits alone could be a game changer. Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0 's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand. You must have cheaper prices than I do. Store brand olive oil usually starts around $4 or $5 for a 16.9oz bottle.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 3, 2017 6:01:04 GMT -5
I grab the bogos.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 3, 2017 7:32:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure people will see "What the Health?" documentary and drastically decrease their consumption of meat and dairy. I hope so anyway. There has to be a better way to feed the world. We cannot sustain this way of living. Not enough resources in the long run. Please watch the documentary (available on Netflix) and let's talk about possible money and resources saved if consumer behaviors change. Health benefits alone could be a game changer. Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand. It's not just the money - it's the time and know-how too. I know how to make a lot of things, but I have never done sauce from complete scratch. The best I have done was start with crushed tomates, tomato paste (or something else, I forget), then add meat and seasoning, then had it simmer for something like 2 hours. That was pre-kid. I have never rendered sauce from just tomatoes - I imagine it's pretty gross without seasonings, so it would really be more than $2 to have sauce that isn't literally just tomatoes. ALDI has $1 sauces and $1 boxes of pasta so I guess I was wrong anyway.
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Post by yogiii on Jul 3, 2017 8:18:23 GMT -5
Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0 's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand. It's not just the money - it's the time and know-how too. I know how to make a lot of things, but I have never done sauce from complete scratch. The best I have done was start with crushed tomates, tomato paste (or something else, I forget), then add meat and seasoning, then had it simmer for something like 2 hours. That was pre-kid. I have never rendered sauce from just tomatoes - I imagine it's pretty gross without seasonings, so it would really be more than $2 to have sauce that isn't literally just tomatoes. ALDI has $1 sauces and $1 boxes of pasta so I guess I was wrong anyway. My sauce recipe is to sautee crushed garlic in olive oil, add either a can of no salt crushed tomatoes (or tomatoes from the garden at the end of the summer I have de-skinned and de-juice somewhat), add salt, pepper and basil, simmer. It's very tasty and you can make more complex recipes but that is the basic one. The sauce from fresh tomatoes is a lot better but I would not do it if I didn't have a garden. Making it from canned tomatoes is easy, despite what the old Italian ladies say, you don't have to cook it all day. I bring it all to a boil and then cook for 15 mins on low, it does the job well enough for a quick meal.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 3, 2017 8:47:21 GMT -5
Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0 's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand. It's not just the money - it's the time and know-how too. I know how to make a lot of things, but I have never done sauce from complete scratch. The best I have done was start with crushed tomates, tomato paste (or something else, I forget), then add meat and seasoning, then had it simmer for something like 2 hours. That was pre-kid. I have never rendered sauce from just tomatoes - I imagine it's pretty gross without seasonings, so it would really be more than $2 to have sauce that isn't literally just tomatoes. ALDI has $1 sauces and $1 boxes of pasta so I guess I was wrong anyway. There are delicious, quick pasta dishes that incorporate fresh tomatoes and/or other vegetables and do not require simmering for long periods.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 3, 2017 9:19:24 GMT -5
It's not just the money - it's the time and know-how too. I know how to make a lot of things, but I have never done sauce from complete scratch. The best I have done was start with crushed tomates, tomato paste (or something else, I forget), then add meat and seasoning, then had it simmer for something like 2 hours. That was pre-kid. I have never rendered sauce from just tomatoes - I imagine it's pretty gross without seasonings, so it would really be more than $2 to have sauce that isn't literally just tomatoes. ALDI has $1 sauces and $1 boxes of pasta so I guess I was wrong anyway. There are delicious, quick pasta dishes that incorporate fresh tomatoes and/or other vegetables and do not require simmering for long periods. I know, I've made them. I'm just bringing in more items to consider.
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Post by Opti on Jul 3, 2017 9:20:11 GMT -5
Pretty sure people will see "What the Health?" documentary and drastically decrease their consumption of meat and dairy. I hope so anyway. There has to be a better way to feed the world. We cannot sustain this way of living. Not enough resources in the long run. Please watch the documentary (available on Netflix) and let's talk about possible money and resources saved if consumer behaviors change. Health benefits alone could be a game changer. Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0 's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand. I find the chili from Wendy's much more filling than a meal of pasta and tomato sauce. The latter is also low protein, high carbs. If you double the serving shown below, protein is about 10.6 gms contrasted with red beans and rice at 20gms. Low protein high carbs is a great way to get heavy for most people. Mainly because its not filling. Think of the difference of slice of buttered bread versus a slice of bread with peanut or a nut butter on it.
www.eatthismuch.com/food/view/pasta-with-tomato-sauce,5296/
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Post by yogiii on Jul 3, 2017 9:23:21 GMT -5
Sounds like pro-vegetarian anti-meat propaganda, so I'll reject it out of hand. I actually think if people simply ate at home and cooked for themselves more, they'd be a lot healthier AND save a lot more money. To MJ2.0 's example about spending $2 on the dollar menu at Wendy's (which I'm a huge fan of btw, a $.50 special on Frostys has made me visit twice in the last week just for the cheap, cheap soft ice cream) or going to the grocery store, you can buy a box of pasta and a pound of tomatoes to make pasta with sauce for less than $2, and it takes ~20 minutes all told to cook it. A pound of tomatoes will make several servings of sauce, so you have leftovers for other meals. Or you can splurge, buy a carton of eggs, 2-3 lbs of tomatoes, 5 lbs of flour, a garlic bulb, and a bottle of olive oil, and have enough raw ingredients to make fresh pasta and sauce for yourself for the next two weeks. The most expensive item on there is olive oil, which might run you $3 for a store brand bottle, $7 for a name brand. I find the chili from Wendy's much more filling than a meal of pasta and tomato sauce. The latter is also low protein, high carbs. If you double the serving shown below, protein is about 10.6 gms contrasted with red beans and rice at 20gms. Low protein high carbs is a great way to get heavy for most people. Mainly because its not filling. Think of the difference of slice of buttered bread versus a slice of bread with peanut or a nut butter on it.
www.eatthismuch.com/food/view/pasta-with-tomato-sauce,5296/
Yeah but with a $2 1lb of pasta and 1 jar of sauce from Aldi's (per MJ), that should be part of a meal for 4 people at least. So you still have $1.50 per person left to round it out.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 3, 2017 9:25:01 GMT -5
A serving of meat should be about the size of a deck of playing cards....not two pounds. I've been thinking about this and I have to ask WHO is eating two pounds of meat per serving? I've also seen "eat half a chicken instead of a whole one". Who does that? Where are these numbers coming from? Are they averages or are people exaggerating? I ask because I was looking at two pounds of hamburger in the freezer and there is no possible way either DH or I could eat that in one sitting without vomiting. If I am cooking two pounds of meat it's because I plan on freezing the majority of it for later use. If you're looking for a meatless burger Melisa D'Arabian from the Foodnetwork has a black bean burger recipe that is really good.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 3, 2017 10:16:08 GMT -5
A serving of meat should be about the size of a deck of playing cards....not two pounds. I've been thinking about this and I have to ask WHO is eating two pounds of meat per serving? I've also seen "eat half a chicken instead of a whole one". Who does that? Where are these numbers coming from? Are they averages or are people exaggerating? I ask because I was looking at two pounds of hamburger in the freezer and there is no possible way either DH or I could eat that in one sitting without vomiting. If I am cooking two pounds of meat it's because I plan on freezing the majority of it for later use. If you're looking for a meatless burger Melisa D'Arabian from the Foodnetwork has a black bean burger recipe that is really good. Ditto. I cook chicken leg quarters often because they are pretty easy. They're decently sized, but a lot of it is skin, fat, and bone (which I don't eat). I doubt if I eat 1/4 lb of chicken off one. I have had those bigger specialty burgers, but I don't think I've had anything over 1/3 lb and finished it. Maybe if you are doing a bulking up fitness program you'll eat 1-2 lb meat over the course of a day, but even then that's not a long-term diet.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 3, 2017 10:21:48 GMT -5
"I'm an endurance athlete and I need lots of protein so this is always a sticking point for me." one of the vegan athletes in documentary is 1 of 2 guys who did 5 iron mans in less than a week. Every issue for decreasing or eliminating meat and dairy is addressed in the documentary. Right. My point is cheese and dairy products are easy protein. I eat plenty of lentils, beans, tofu, spinach, nuts. I also want variety. When I want a quick snack, I don't always want a handful of nuts, sometimes I want a cheese stick or a boiled egg.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 3, 2017 10:26:20 GMT -5
We can use a single chicken breast for a family of 3 and stretch it for 6 meals (3 dinners, 3 lunches) by not making meat the star of the show. Define "single chicken breast".
I've purchased "mutant" chicken breasts that were nearly 20 ounces each (if you count both sides as "one" - then you would have 40ounces or so of meat. )
I've also purchased Normal sized chicken breasts that were between 3 and 5 ounces.
Considering the standard serving of "meat" is 3 to 4 ounces for an Adult - I'm assuming you are stretching 1 to 1.5 pound chicken breast and NOT a 3 to 4 ounce one.
Also, do you mean serving when you say meal? Is a dinner serving 1 person or 3? Are you getting 6 servings from the chix breast OR 18 servings from the chix breast?
(FWIW: if I'm stuck buying mutant chicken breasts (16 to 24 ounces each) I break them down into 4 ounce servings - so 4 to 6 servings from a single one. A single mutant chix breast gets me a week of dinners.
LOL @ mutant description. Usually I use the costco packs and I use one breast out of the 3 packs and freeze the other breast in the 3 pack. I think there are 6 breasts total in that pack. I think they are like 7.99/lb and the pack costs 22 bucks or so... whatever that works out to. They are large, that is for sure, not smaller than my hand. I meant 6 servings per chicken breast. Like I would use one large chx breast in a casserole. I'd probably serve it with salad or another veg. 3 dinners for us, plus 3 lunches the next day.
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Post by HoneyBBQ on Jul 3, 2017 10:30:45 GMT -5
One of the most interesting points (for me) was our anatomy. We are not created like other omnivores like I had always thought. It's just fascinating. Interesting. I was pretty sure I had meat ripping point teeth and eyes that faced forward.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 3, 2017 10:42:19 GMT -5
We're different because once we discovered fire we evolved. We don't need the digestive system required to safely consume and break down raw meat like other animals. We also don't need the digestive system required of herbivores to break down large quantities of raw plant material for the same reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 11:42:02 GMT -5
"I'm an endurance athlete and I need lots of protein so this is always a sticking point for me." one of the vegan athletes in documentary is 1 of 2 guys who did 5 iron mans in less than a week. Every issue for decreasing or eliminating meat and dairy is addressed in the documentary. Right. My point is cheese and dairy products are easy protein. I eat plenty of lentils, beans, tofu, spinach, nuts. I also want variety. When I want a quick snack, I don't always want a handful of nuts, sometimes I want a cheese stick or a boiled egg. Exactly. The final sticking point being I just don't want to. I love the Omnivore's Dilemma by Pollan.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 12:36:45 GMT -5
A serving of meat should be about the size of a deck of playing cards....not two pounds. I've been thinking about this and I have to ask WHO is eating two pounds of meat per serving? I've also seen "eat half a chicken instead of a whole one". Who does that? Where are these numbers coming from? Are they averages or are people exaggerating? I ask because I was looking at two pounds of hamburger in the freezer and there is no possible way either DH or I could eat that in one sitting without vomiting. If I am cooking two pounds of meat it's because I plan on freezing the majority of it for later use. If you're looking for a meatless burger Melisa D'Arabian from the Foodnetwork has a black bean burger recipe that is really good. A two pound steak. You never see this?
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 3, 2017 12:45:23 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this and I have to ask WHO is eating two pounds of meat per serving? I've also seen "eat half a chicken instead of a whole one". Who does that? Where are these numbers coming from? Are they averages or are people exaggerating? I ask because I was looking at two pounds of hamburger in the freezer and there is no possible way either DH or I could eat that in one sitting without vomiting. If I am cooking two pounds of meat it's because I plan on freezing the majority of it for later use. If you're looking for a meatless burger Melisa D'Arabian from the Foodnetwork has a black bean burger recipe that is really good. A two pound steak. You never see this? I've seen things like that but they are novelty items to promote your business. You get so much time to eat it and then you get your picture on the wall or your meal comped. How many people are eating that much meat per meal? How many people can actually eat it in ONE siting? If we're going to talk about how much meat is too much I'd like to know what your average person eats on a regular basis. So far I hear about 2 1b steaks and whole chickens. Common sense tells you eating that on a regular basis isn't healthy. Common sense also should tell you that the average person is not consuming that as one serving on a daily basis. This is an extreme example. If this is what the documentary uses as "evidence" then I'm not buying it.
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Post by swamp on Jul 3, 2017 12:46:30 GMT -5
I've been thinking about this and I have to ask WHO is eating two pounds of meat per serving? I've also seen "eat half a chicken instead of a whole one". Who does that? Where are these numbers coming from? Are they averages or are people exaggerating? I ask because I was looking at two pounds of hamburger in the freezer and there is no possible way either DH or I could eat that in one sitting without vomiting. If I am cooking two pounds of meat it's because I plan on freezing the majority of it for later use. If you're looking for a meatless burger Melisa D'Arabian from the Foodnetwork has a black bean burger recipe that is really good. A two pound steak. You never see this? I have, and I don't get it.
I'm a hog, I love meat, but a 10oz prime rib is about the max I can do, and I can't eat the sides.
I cooked that last night. For the entire family. And have leftovers.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 3, 2017 12:53:35 GMT -5
Isn't there a difference in weight between pre-cooked and cooked meat?
My husband takes over a pound of ground beef to make 4 burgers. By the time it's grilled and all the fat/blood or whatever drips out of it, I don't think it's still the same weight
I buy air chilled chicken. On other chicken it says on the package that there is at least 5% water in it. So, again, I would think that 1lb of chicken raw is not the same as 1lb of chicken cooked.
All I know is that just over a pound of chicken lasts one meal in my family and I don't even eat it bc I don't like chicken
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Post by swamp on Jul 3, 2017 12:54:33 GMT -5
Isn't there a difference in weight between pre-cooked and cooked meat? yes.
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