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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 1, 2017 22:22:02 GMT -5
The problem is that you need to be able to get to a clinic. There is an area in rural KY where someone would have to drive 50 miles to get to the only clinic that provides birth control in the area under Medicaid. For or me or you, this is no big deal. Hell, I drive 100 miles to see my orthopod. However, if you have no transportation, or if it breaks down regularly, then you are SOL. Imagine that you do manage to make an appointment, get there, and get a prescription. You get home and your prescription for birth control is against the pharmacist's religion, and he refuses to fill it. This isn't made up either. Crap like this is what I heard first hand in some of my PH classes that I took, from people who were living in the middle of this (mainly MDs and nurses) and trying to help. Things that are so easy for much of middle class America are a lot harder in certain areas of the country. Oh, and that single clinic? Because it did provide birth control, a legislator tried to close it down. Me and my classmates attended a march to prevent that, and luckily his attempts at closing that clinic failed...but it was close, too close. Geez, I don't know. Maybe do something else in HS besides have sex? Didn't anyone have to study or work part-time or baby sit? Who are all these high schoolers screwing anyway. Last time I looked we all had minds. We're not animals in heat. We have choices. Choose to not get knocked up in HS. Having sex in HS is not part of the curriculum. These are not necessarily HS students, Zib. Some are, but a good segment of the population is over 18, trying to start their life and cannot get some of the tools they need.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 2, 2017 5:25:02 GMT -5
If you're out of HS without getting pregnant and without a criminal record there are opportunities if you're willing to work. Not everyone ends up at Walmart.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 2, 2017 8:35:30 GMT -5
Generally speaking, the harder you work , the luckier you get.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 2, 2017 8:36:39 GMT -5
The problem is that you need to be able to get to a clinic. There is an area in rural KY where someone would have to drive 50 miles to get to the only clinic that provides birth control in the area under Medicaid. For or me or you, this is no big deal. Hell, I drive 100 miles to see my orthopod. However, if you have no transportation, or if it breaks down regularly, then you are SOL. Imagine that you do manage to make an appointment, get there, and get a prescription. You get home and your prescription for birth control is against the pharmacist's religion, and he refuses to fill it. This isn't made up either. Crap like this is what I heard first hand in some of my PH classes that I took, from people who were living in the middle of this (mainly MDs and nurses) and trying to help. Things that are so easy for much of middle class America are a lot harder in certain areas of the country. Oh, and that single clinic? Because it did provide birth control, a legislator tried to close it down. Me and my classmates attended a march to prevent that, and luckily his attempts at closing that clinic failed...but it was close, too close. Geez, I don't know. Maybe do something else in HS besides have sex? Didn't anyone have to study or work part-time or baby sit? Who are all these high schoolers screwing anyway. Last time I looked we all had minds. We're not animals in heat. We have choices. Choose to not get knocked up in HS. Having sex in HS is not part of the curriculum. This 1000x!!!
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Post by yogiii on Jul 3, 2017 12:55:35 GMT -5
I know because the trash was left in my yard after the workers had finished. The price tags were still on the items. Like I say, I don't judge them for their choices, but a person could save real $$ buying water by the case like you and I, rather than getting one for $1.75 at the convenience store each morning with your smokes. The point of the story is that some people don't realize how small habits can consume real money over time. May be, may be not I have a tendency to look at annual numbers vs daily ones. So, let's say the guy spends $1.75 daily, 20 days a month, 12 months a year. That's $420. Could he do something better with that $400? Sure. But for many that's one month car pmt. So, I agree with Phil and Miss T - better to take care of big things first. Then may be you can be lazy about bottled water. I am not touching cigarettes bc I used to smoke and expense of it was NEVER a deterrent effect for me, even when I was in debt. Oh and I know you are not judging, I just wonder if "we" (general finance advice gurus) got a bit overboard with the latter factor instead of getting the bigger message accross. I think the problem is most people will have this attitude about other items, not just the bottled water. Oh I can just stop at Wendy's, it's only $2, etc, etc.
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Post by tskeeter on Jul 3, 2017 15:44:52 GMT -5
May be, may be not I have a tendency to look at annual numbers vs daily ones. So, let's say the guy spends $1.75 daily, 20 days a month, 12 months a year. That's $420. Could he do something better with that $400? Sure. But for many that's one month car pmt. So, I agree with Phil and Miss T - better to take care of big things first. Then may be you can be lazy about bottled water. I am not touching cigarettes bc I used to smoke and expense of it was NEVER a deterrent effect for me, even when I was in debt. Oh and I know you are not judging, I just wonder if "we" (general finance advice gurus) got a bit overboard with the latter factor instead of getting the bigger message accross. I think the problem is most people will have this attitude about other items, not just the bottled water. Oh I can just stop at Wendy's, it's only $2, etc, etc. I think this ties to a report I saw a couple of days ago about spending on luxury items by various income groups. Upper income groups spend about 65% of their income on luxury items. No big surprise. What did surprise me a bit was that the study authors claimed that people in the bottom 20% of incomes spend 40% of their income on luxury items. Now, I don't know the details of the study, so I wonder if I would consider the same spending to be luxuries. Even so, it appears that even the poorest among us exhibit the ability to achieve a certain amount of first world spending patterns.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 17:30:09 GMT -5
Actually, humans ARE animals, and like the large primate, are in continuous oestrus, or heat.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 3, 2017 18:02:43 GMT -5
And humans are the only animals in the world who can know what causes pregnancy.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 3, 2017 18:03:59 GMT -5
No. We are more than animals. Just because some chose to not act with self control or discipline is not an excuse.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 3, 2017 19:10:37 GMT -5
I don't get why you all <-- generic seem to be blaming ALL of the social ills of the poor on girls/women who get pregnant out of wedlock.
I never realized that the HS students and adults who spend most of their time drinking, doing drugs, just 'hanging out' and doing unsocial things (shaking down other students/adults, stealing stuff, destroying other people's property, not bothering with going to school/work if they don't feel like it) has absolutely NO effect on poverty.
Huh, could it be because boys/men usually do this kind of stuff? and it's just they way they are... they can't help it... so it MUST be the girls/women getting pregnant that are the problem.
Damn. I wish I was born a boy. They get all the good stuff. (girls/women - just get all the responsibility and NO authority - cause I'm guessing it's women's fault when the men in their lives drink, do drugs, won't go to work, etc. maybe if the women would just be better women the men would shape up??)
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 19:32:53 GMT -5
No. We are more than animals. Just because some chose to not act with self control or discipline is not an excuse. Humans are animals. Science!! Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Subphylum: Vertebrata Class: Mammalia Subclass: Theria Infraclass: Eutheria Order: Primates Suborder: Anthropoidea Superfamily: Hominoidea Family: Hominidae Genus: Homo Species: sapiens
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 3, 2017 19:34:44 GMT -5
We are also not naturally monogamous.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 3, 2017 20:00:27 GMT -5
No. We are more than animals. Just because some chose to not act with self control or discipline is not an excuse. Humans are animals. Science!! Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Subphylum: Vertebrata Class: Mammalia Subclass: Theria Infraclass: Eutheria Order: Primates Suborder: Anthropoidea Superfamily: Hominoidea Family: Hominidae Genus: Homo Species: sapiens Silly woman! Science means nothing to conservatives!
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 3, 2017 20:12:43 GMT -5
Science is important but humans are not animals. We have free will and can choose right or wrong paths. Women are the ones who end up in poverty due to poor choices and the worst choice is getting pregnant without an education and job skill. Oddly enough I think the young men would straighten out if the women turned up their noses at them for being ignorant and without a job. Instead they have a baby with a loser. So the men have no incentive to be anything but a loser and the women tolerate it and even support it.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 3, 2017 21:06:27 GMT -5
No. We are more than animals. Just because some chose to not act with self control or discipline is not an excuse. Humans are animals. Science!! Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Subphylum: Vertebrata Class: Mammalia Subclass: Theria Infraclass: Eutheria Order: Primates Suborder: Anthropoidea Superfamily: Hominoidea Family: Hominidae Genus: Homo Species: sapiens Animals are not human. SCIENCE!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 21:13:45 GMT -5
Of course animals are not human. However, humans are animals, no matter how you slice it.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 3, 2017 21:14:44 GMT -5
We certainly have seen that they can act like them.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 21:17:41 GMT -5
Science is important but humans are not animals. We have free will and can choose right or wrong paths. Women are the ones who end up in poverty due to poor choices and the worst choice is getting pregnant without an education and job skill. Oddly enough I think the young men would straighten out if the women turned up their noses at them for being ignorant and without a job. Instead they have a baby with a loser. So the men have no incentive to be anything but a loser and the women tolerate it and even support it. We're still animals. Animals who took a different evolutionary path. Some evolved to fly, some evolved to have an incredible sense of smell, some evolved to carry their houses on their backs. Humans evolved to have a bigger brain. Still animals.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 3, 2017 21:17:53 GMT -5
Of course animals are not human. However, humans are animals, no matter how you slice it. Nobody said otherwise. 2+2= 4. Well unless you dont feel like it does or maybe the + sign no longer means plus in our new world.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 3, 2017 21:18:06 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 21:19:32 GMT -5
Of course animals are not human. However, humans are animals, no matter how you slice it. Nobody said otherwise. 2+2= 4. Well unless you dont feel like it does or maybe the + sign no longer means plus in our new world. Both you and Zib said otherwise. Read back.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 3, 2017 21:21:32 GMT -5
I don't believe I'm an animal. Animals rely on senses that they cannot control. Humans can control themselves. Free will and all that.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 21:26:22 GMT -5
I don't believe I'm an animal. Animals rely on senses that they cannot control. Humans can control themselves. Free will and all that. You can control your olfactory sense? You can control your sight and hearing? You can control your sense of touch? Wow! Colour me impressed!
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 3, 2017 21:36:50 GMT -5
I can make choices. Good or bad ones. I'm not subjected to instincts beyond my control. Or if I am, I can choose how to react. I have a brain. I understand consequences of good and bad choices.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 3, 2017 22:02:53 GMT -5
I don't believe I'm an animal. Animals rely on senses that they cannot control. Humans can control themselves. Free will and all that. You can control your olfactory sense? You can control your sight and hearing? You can control your sense of touch? Wow! Colour me impressed! When you have to poop, do you just poop in the street? Why not? Animals do.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 22:06:44 GMT -5
You can control your olfactory sense? You can control your sight and hearing? You can control your sense of touch? Wow! Colour me impressed! When you have to poop, do you just poop in the street? Why not? Animals do. My cat doesn't poop in the middle of the living room. He knows to use his box. Next!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 22:09:36 GMT -5
I can make choices. Good or bad ones. I'm not subjected to instincts beyond my control. Or if I am, I can choose how to react. I have a brain. I understand consequences of good and bad choices. Are you saying other animals are incapable of making choices? A crow chooses to reward me with trinkets if I throw bread out for him. A rat will choose to undergo an electric shock if it means his starving friend will get food.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 22:11:00 GMT -5
I don't believe I'm an animal. Animals rely on senses that they cannot control. Humans can control themselves. Free will and all that. If you can't believe the earth is round, does that make it flat?
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Post by Shooby on Jul 3, 2017 22:12:20 GMT -5
I don't believe I'm an animal. Animals rely on senses that they cannot control. Humans can control themselves. Free will and all that. If you don't believe xx is female and xy is male, does that make it so? SCIENCE!!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 3, 2017 22:15:38 GMT -5
I believe an XX brain can be in an XY body, due to irregular flow of testosterone in utero.
Science!!
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