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Post by whoisjohngalt on Mar 27, 2017 21:28:33 GMT -5
There are many studies that show graduating during a recession can have an impact on your lifetime earnings, all other factors being equal. (Here's one: www.nber.org/digest/nov06/w12159.html) Certainly not impossible to overcome (and the study confirms that), but also not quite the same as " everyone has exactly the same opportunities." I would like to know who exactly said that bc I don't believe for a second, that anyone, with quarter of a brain would ever say that. Even on evil, cold-hearted YM
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Post by Rob Base 2.0 on Jun 29, 2017 13:04:11 GMT -5
So the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, got me thinking how a lot of peeps here like to dance around things and not answer. And this past thread i started is an example
i think we all agree there is some fraud and or worthless people out there (sorry if that sounds "harsh"-/ but its true )
on this thread i thought i asked a simple question. Because before you even address some of tye issues in the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, maybe we should see where a majority stand on how many peeps are not really "unfortunate"--since we all seem to agree there are "some" of these people.... and certain posters seem to try to keep it vague like that, or give non answers, or attack / look for hidden meaning to the question posed (just look at some of the responses here before this post)
But i guess i am wrong.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 29, 2017 13:29:14 GMT -5
So the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, got me thinking how a lot of peeps here like to dance around things and not answer. And this past thread i started is an example i think we all agree there is some fraud and or worthless people out there (sorry if that sounds "harsh"-/ but its true ) on this thread i thought i asked a simple question. Because before you even address some of tye issues in the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, maybe we should see where a majority stand on how many peeps are not really "unfortunate"--since we all seem to agree there are "some" of these people.... and certain posters seem to try to keep it vague like that, or give non answers, or attack / look for hidden meaning to the question posed (just look at some of the responses here before this post) But i guess i am wrong. You're not wrong. I'm tired of kids being used as meal tickets for their parents instead of their parents providing for them.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 29, 2017 13:33:21 GMT -5
So the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, got me thinking how a lot of peeps here like to dance around things and not answer. And this past thread i started is an example i think we all agree there is some fraud and or worthless people out there (sorry if that sounds "harsh"-/ but its true ) on this thread i thought i asked a simple question. Because before you even address some of tye issues in the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, maybe we should see where a majority stand on how many peeps are not really "unfortunate"--since we all seem to agree there are "some" of these people.... and certain posters seem to try to keep it vague like that, or give non answers, or attack / look for hidden meaning to the question posed (just look at some of the responses here before this post) But i guess i am wrong. why don't you just call people out since you know exactly who you are referring to?
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Post by swamp on Jun 29, 2017 13:36:20 GMT -5
So the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, got me thinking how a lot of peeps here like to dance around things and not answer. And this past thread i started is an example i think we all agree there is some fraud and or worthless people out there (sorry if that sounds "harsh"-/ but its true ) on this thread i thought i asked a simple question. Because before you even address some of tye issues in the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, maybe we should see where a majority stand on how many peeps are not really "unfortunate"--since we all seem to agree there are "some" of these people.... and certain posters seem to try to keep it vague like that, or give non answers, or attack / look for hidden meaning to the question posed (just look at some of the responses here before this post) But i guess i am wrong. Are you looking for numbers? I can't do that.
I do agree there are lazy mooches out there.
I also think the way society is structured, there are more hurdles to climbing out of poverty than we (society in general) would like to admit. It can be done, the opportunities are there, the programs are there. The ability to know how to access this information is elusive. Why? I don't know. Cultural pressure? Ignorance? Confidence? All of them?
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Post by milee on Jun 29, 2017 13:44:09 GMT -5
Unless there's someone here who has done extensive research on this issue, how could anyone possibly give a numerical estimate?
It's not a dance to discuss the issues without making wild ass guesses or labeling everybody in a group the same way. I'd be more likely to discount the statements of anyone who hasn't done extensive research on this issue but was willing to state the exact number of people who are unfortunate vs at fault.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 29, 2017 14:24:49 GMT -5
So the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, got me thinking how a lot of peeps here like to dance around things and not answer. And this past thread i started is an example i think we all agree there is some fraud and or worthless people out there (sorry if that sounds "harsh"-/ but its true ) on this thread i thought i asked a simple question. Because before you even address some of tye issues in the "this is exactly how i feel" thread, maybe we should see where a majority stand on how many peeps are not really "unfortunate"--since we all seem to agree there are "some" of these people.... and certain posters seem to try to keep it vague like that, or give non answers, or attack / look for hidden meaning to the question posed (just look at some of the responses here before this post) But i guess i am wrong. why don't you just call people out since you know exactly who you are referring to? When you do that your post gets removed
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Post by buystoys on Jun 29, 2017 15:31:34 GMT -5
It's too easy to identify those who are poor through continuous visible bad decisions. Yanno, like the friend who leased a new car because her old one needed new tires and she didn't have the money for that because she had maxed out her credit cards buying stuff on QVC and HSN because she was depressed that she had no money because she signed an expensive apartment lease with her then boyfriend and when he left he she was left holding the bag and she spent all her money on furniture for the new apartment...... it's also fairly easy to identify those who are visibly physically disabled which may have left them in no position to work and earn. It's all those people in between that are difficult to count. My mom would tell you that she's poor. I will tell you that she's not. In her mind, she can't buy everything she wants in the moment that she wants it, so she's poor. In my mind, I know her income is enough to live comfortably (not lavishly) with the expenses she currently has. I can also tell you that at some point in the future, she (or my dad, whoever lives longer) will be poor as they have almost no savings and no plan for how to manage once one partner is gone. My opinion on why the survivor will be poor will differ from the survivor's opinion. Neither of us is wrong and it's very likely that neither of us is completely correct. I agree with swamp's statement that there are a lot of hurdles to getting out of poverty. Having said that, I don't think it's realistic to expect to eradicate it. There will always be a group of people (I can't give an estimate) who will refuse to do anything to change their status because they are too comfortable or happy where they are.
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Post by MN-Investor on Jun 30, 2017 13:00:36 GMT -5
I'm not even reading this thread, I'm just adding my 2 cents.
I find threads like this disgusting.
Let's start a thread bashing divorced people. We can sit smugly in our own homes feeling virtuous that we found the ideal mate in our first try and - gee - why can't everyone do that because we obviously did it?
Or let's bash folks with pre-existing health conditions. According to some self-righteous politicians, if you exercise, eat right, and believe in God, He will reward you with good health. Genetic defects, cancer, auto-immune diseases... well, you just deserve those.
Or let's bash single mothers who naively believed that boyfriend would marry them. Or not get killed before they could get married.
Because, after all, doesn't it make us all feel a bit superior when we point out other's short-comings?
And to top it off, let's scowl at the person parking in a handicapped parking spot without any obvious health issue. Because, of course, if you're not visibly limping, you must not deserve that handicapped sticker.
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Post by countrygirl2 on Jul 1, 2017 7:22:45 GMT -5
We know that part of our success was hubbys skills, but a lot was due to luck and people he knew in the organization where he worked.
If he had not done well, me having to quit work to care for mom and DD would have put us into poverty too.
So a lot of factors and we know we are fortunate. And I am thankful daily.
But I see poor choices daily. Some of the renters we have had explain it. If they get an extra dime instead of saving it they have to spend it on something immediately. If they have old cars they know they will need repairs but when it happens then they just can't figure out how they will pay for it because they spent everything on some frivolous stuff. They will always be poor.
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Post by bookkeeper on Jul 1, 2017 8:31:11 GMT -5
Lifestyle choices do factor into a person's financial health.
DH and I just had a new concrete driveway poured. We know the owner of the concrete company and he and his son showed up with their crew to form and then lay the concrete. Those men have a hard job and I am sure they earn pretty good money as laborers. However, each one of them showed up with a bottle of water purchased that morning from a convenience store, an energy drink of some sort, and at least a pack of cigarettes.
I could only imagine how more secure their futures would be if they would be putting the $10 a day they consumed from the convenience store into their savings accounts, rather than pi$$ it away. Bad habits like this are what take a toll on financial health.
I have my own bad habits, I don't judge them for the choices they have made. I believe in personal freedom = personal responsibility.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2017 8:31:23 GMT -5
I'm not even reading this thread, I'm just adding my 2 cents. I find threads like this disgusting. Let's start a thread bashing divorced people. We can sit smugly in our own homes feeling virtuous that we found the ideal mate in our first try and - gee - why can't everyone do that because we obviously did it? Or let's bash folks with pre-existing health conditions. According to some self-righteous politicians, if you exercise, eat right, and believe in God, He will reward you with good health. Genetic defects, cancer, auto-immune diseases... well, you just deserve those. Or let's bash single mothers who naively believed that boyfriend would marry them. Or not get killed before they could get married. Because, after all, doesn't it make us all feel a bit superior when we point out other's short-comings? And to top it off, let's scowl at the person parking in a handicapped parking spot without any obvious health issue. Because, of course, if you're not visibly limping, you must not deserve that handicapped sticker. Sometimes in life you have to look at your own choices and decisions and stop blaming everyone else for one's own life. Picking a the wrong spouse is a biggie. Women are free to choose any man they want in this country. Yet, time and time again we see people choosing someone as a spouse or live in who is not a good person or someone who is lazy, addicted, etc. And, they seem to only wake up after they have kids. So, yes, some divorces were easy to predict. However, I also know people who started out in life well with a good spouse and then their spouse went off the rails. That happens as well. But, again, we have to LOOK at our own choices. Same with finances. If you continually make stupid decisions with your money over and over, you have to own that. So, ok, you made stupid decisions, learn from it and make better choices. We see many people who make one poor decision after the other then expect others to fund their stupidity. No. Health choices. If you eat crap, dont' exercise, smoke, take drugs, what do you expect your health to be as you age? And, in your example of the single mother believing her BF will marry them, why is she having sex and making a baby before she is married? What else does she really expect to happen in the land of fantasy and magical thinking? Being a grown up means having self discipline, learning to delay gratification and looking at the long term picture. Lots of people don't want to live in the land of grown ups now and then whine when others don't feel sorry for them.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 1, 2017 8:34:23 GMT -5
For some reason criticizing Welfare Fraud is a "slam" to those who have legitimate needs. Or criticizing the nonhandicapped who just get a placquard for easy parking is somehow a "slam" to the legitimately handicapped. It's not. Has it ever occurred to some of you that the frauds and the cheats make it that much harder for those with legitimate needs to access the services they need? Hello
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 1, 2017 9:04:19 GMT -5
Lifestyle choices do factor into a person's financial health. DH and I just had a new concrete driveway poured. We know the owner of the concrete company and he and his son showed up with their crew to form and then lay the concrete. Those men have a hard job and I am sure they earn pretty good money as laborers. However, each one of them showed up with a bottle of water purchased that morning from a convenience store, an energy drink of some sort, and at least a pack of cigarettes. I could only imagine how more secure their futures would be if they would be putting the $10 a day they consumed from the convenience store into their savings accounts, rather than pi$$ it away. Bad habits like this are what take a toll on financial health. I have my own bad habits, I don't judge them for the choices they have made. I believe in personal freedom = personal responsibility. Well, to be fair it depends on their income levels. I think nothing of downing $14 martinis when I go out or dropping $200 on dinner. I'm a single mom and even with my frivolous spending I manage to live on less than half of my net pay (after maxing out 401k). At some point you do need to enjoy life. Now, if the person was constantly living paycheck to paycheck and had no retirement savings then that is a different story. But I know some guys in trades that make a fantastic living
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 1, 2017 12:37:58 GMT -5
Lifestyle choices do factor into a person's financial health. DH and I just had a new concrete driveway poured. We know the owner of the concrete company and he and his son showed up with their crew to form and then lay the concrete. Those men have a hard job and I am sure they earn pretty good money as laborers. However, each one of them showed up with a bottle of water purchased that morning from a convenience store, an energy drink of some sort, and at least a pack of cigarettes. I could only imagine how more secure their futures would be if they would be putting the $10 a day they consumed from the convenience store into their savings accounts, rather than pi$$ it away. Bad habits like this are what take a toll on financial health. I have my own bad habits, I don't judge them for the choices they have made. I believe in personal freedom = personal responsibility. How do you know that? I bring bottles of water with me everywhere we go. I buy them at BJ for less than $5 for a whole case - 36 bottles. I put them in the fridge and grab them on the way out.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 1, 2017 12:40:33 GMT -5
Lifestyle choices do factor into a person's financial health. DH and I just had a new concrete driveway poured. We know the owner of the concrete company and he and his son showed up with their crew to form and then lay the concrete. Those men have a hard job and I am sure they earn pretty good money as laborers. However, each one of them showed up with a bottle of water purchased that morning from a convenience store, an energy drink of some sort, and at least a pack of cigarettes. I could only imagine how more secure their futures would be if they would be putting the $10 a day they consumed from the convenience store into their savings accounts, rather than pi$$ it away. Bad habits like this are what take a toll on financial health. I have my own bad habits, I don't judge them for the choices they have made. I believe in personal freedom = personal responsibility. Well, to be fair it depends on their income levels. I think nothing of downing $14 martinis when I go out or dropping $200 on dinner. I'm a single mom and even with my frivolous spending I manage to live on less than half of my net pay (after maxing out 401k). At some point you do need to enjoy life. Now, if the person was constantly living paycheck to paycheck and had no retirement savings then that is a different story. But I know some guys in trades that make a fantastic living I think there is a big difference between enjoying life and spending unnecessary money on convenience bc you didn't plan ahead.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Jul 1, 2017 12:46:15 GMT -5
Well, to be fair it depends on their income levels. I think nothing of downing $14 martinis when I go out or dropping $200 on dinner. I'm a single mom and even with my frivolous spending I manage to live on less than half of my net pay (after maxing out 401k). At some point you do need to enjoy life. Now, if the person was constantly living paycheck to paycheck and had no retirement savings then that is a different story. But I know some guys in trades that make a fantastic living I think there is a big difference between enjoying life and spending unnecessary money on convenience bc you didn't plan ahead. I agree but who knows why they buy the stuff. I can make coffee at home very easily but I stop at least once a day if. It twice to get coffee. That's $5 a day that is due to it being easier to buy coffee. I also buy lunch every day and I eat out almost every night I don't have the kids. No reason other than I'm lazy. But it isn't hurting me financially so who cares? To me it is the big things in life that impact us not small purchases. I have a modest home with low taxes. I could have bought a McMansion but that isn't what I want in life.
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Post by bookkeeper on Jul 1, 2017 13:25:04 GMT -5
Lifestyle choices do factor into a person's financial health. DH and I just had a new concrete driveway poured. We know the owner of the concrete company and he and his son showed up with their crew to form and then lay the concrete. Those men have a hard job and I am sure they earn pretty good money as laborers. However, each one of them showed up with a bottle of water purchased that morning from a convenience store, an energy drink of some sort, and at least a pack of cigarettes. I could only imagine how more secure their futures would be if they would be putting the $10 a day they consumed from the convenience store into their savings accounts, rather than pi$$ it away. Bad habits like this are what take a toll on financial health. I have my own bad habits, I don't judge them for the choices they have made. I believe in personal freedom = personal responsibility. How do you know that? I bring bottles of water with me everywhere we go. I buy them at BJ for less than $5 for a whole case - 36 bottles. I put them in the fridge and grab them on the way out. I know because the trash was left in my yard after the workers had finished. The price tags were still on the items. Like I say, I don't judge them for their choices, but a person could save real $$ buying water by the case like you and I, rather than getting one for $1.75 at the convenience store each morning with your smokes. The point of the story is that some people don't realize how small habits can consume real money over time.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 1, 2017 13:35:27 GMT -5
The easiest thing is to not get pregnant and to get what education you can. There's a lot of help if you can manage to get out of HS without having a baby. Even if you feel there's no more handouts waiting for you, you can join the military. It not only gets you out of a bad area/home life but it introduces you to others who have done the same. All you need is one generation to escape and you break the cycle.
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Post by phil5185 on Jul 1, 2017 14:36:35 GMT -5
That's my view also, it's NOT the latte factor that keeps people poor, it's the Big Two - cars and houses. Over 50% of income goes to the Big Two, maybe 1% goes to small conveniences, if you control the big stuff, spending on conveniences is both pleasant and saves time (maybe lots of time).
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 1, 2017 15:39:55 GMT -5
I would love to get out of NJ because it is expensive here. I spend close to $1100/mo on a 1 bed apartment. I'm in a safe suburb with good schools. I could pay the same price for a 2 bedroom, but that would be in a pretty dangerous area likely to have bad schools. The other places with okay home/rent prices are in the middle of nowhere, so you have to really travel to get to work or civilization in general. And since my ex has 60% majority custody and has no intention of leaving, my choices are to be stuck here grinding for a 6 figure job so I can someday get a 2-3 bedroom condo/townhouse, or leave my child in search of other opportunities.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 1, 2017 16:13:57 GMT -5
I'm not even reading this thread, I'm just adding my 2 cents. I find threads like this disgusting. Let's start a thread bashing divorced people. We can sit smugly in our own homes feeling virtuous that we found the ideal mate in our first try and - gee - why can't everyone do that because we obviously did it? Or let's bash folks with pre-existing health conditions. According to some self-righteous politicians, if you exercise, eat right, and believe in God, He will reward you with good health. Genetic defects, cancer, auto-immune diseases... well, you just deserve those. Or let's bash single mothers who naively believed that boyfriend would marry them. Or not get killed before they could get married. Because, after all, doesn't it make us all feel a bit superior when we point out other's short-comings? And to top it off, let's scowl at the person parking in a handicapped parking spot without any obvious health issue. Because, of course, if you're not visibly limping, you must not deserve that handicapped sticker. Sometimes in life you have to look at your own choices and decisions and stop blaming everyone else for one's own life. Picking a the wrong spouse is a biggie. Women are free to choose any man they want in this country. Yet, time and time again we see people choosing someone as a spouse or live in who is not a good person or someone who is lazy, addicted, etc. And, they seem to only wake up after they have kids. So, yes, some divorces were easy to predict. However, I also know people who started out in life well with a good spouse and then their spouse went off the rails. That happens as well. But, again, we have to LOOK at our own choices. Same with finances. If you continually make stupid decisions with your money over and over, you have to own that. So, ok, you made stupid decisions, learn from it and make better choices. We see many people who make one poor decision after the other then expect others to fund their stupidity. No. Health choices. If you eat crap, dont' exercise, smoke, take drugs, what do you expect your health to be as you age? And, in your example of the single mother believing her BF will marry them, why is she having sex and making a baby before she is married? What else does she really expect to happen in the land of fantasy and magical thinking? Being a grown up means having self discipline, learning to delay gratification and looking at the long term picture. Lots of people don't want to live in the land of grown ups now and then whine when others don't feel sorry for them. Because it's not the 17th century, where you seem to reside.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:50:16 GMT -5
Sometimes in life you have to look at your own choices and decisions and stop blaming everyone else for one's own life. Picking a the wrong spouse is a biggie. Women are free to choose any man they want in this country. Yet, time and time again we see people choosing someone as a spouse or live in who is not a good person or someone who is lazy, addicted, etc. And, they seem to only wake up after they have kids. So, yes, some divorces were easy to predict. However, I also know people who started out in life well with a good spouse and then their spouse went off the rails. That happens as well. But, again, we have to LOOK at our own choices. Same with finances. If you continually make stupid decisions with your money over and over, you have to own that. So, ok, you made stupid decisions, learn from it and make better choices. We see many people who make one poor decision after the other then expect others to fund their stupidity. No. Health choices. If you eat crap, dont' exercise, smoke, take drugs, what do you expect your health to be as you age? And, in your example of the single mother believing her BF will marry them, why is she having sex and making a baby before she is married? What else does she really expect to happen in the land of fantasy and magical thinking? Being a grown up means having self discipline, learning to delay gratification and looking at the long term picture. Lots of people don't want to live in the land of grown ups now and then whine when others don't feel sorry for them. Because it's not the 17th century, where you seem to reside. True. But also unlike the 17th century birth control is really easy to get.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 1, 2017 19:10:46 GMT -5
Using pregnancy to try to trap a man is so 17th century. Doesn't work, for long or forever. A woman who thinks this is going to work is worse than a fool and has no business raising a child.
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Post by MN-Investor on Jul 1, 2017 19:40:59 GMT -5
True. But also unlike the 17th century birth control is really easy to get. If you have money. If Planned Parenthood still has a clinic in your area. It's easy to dismiss the problems of poverty if you've never had to deal with them.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 1, 2017 19:43:47 GMT -5
Medicaid provides BC as well as semi permanent BC.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 1, 2017 20:18:33 GMT -5
Medicaid provides BC as well as semi permanent BC. The problem is that you need to be able to get to a clinic. There is an area in rural KY where someone would have to drive 50 miles to get to the only clinic that provides birth control in the area under Medicaid. For or me or you, this is no big deal. Hell, I drive 100 miles to see my orthopod. However, if you have no transportation, or if it breaks down regularly, then you are SOL. Imagine that you do manage to make an appointment, get there, and get a prescription. You get home and your prescription for birth control is against the pharmacist's religion, and he refuses to fill it. This isn't made up either. Crap like this is what I heard first hand in some of my PH classes that I took, from people who were living in the middle of this (mainly MDs and nurses) and trying to help. Things that are so easy for much of middle class America are a lot harder in certain areas of the country. Oh, and that single clinic? Because it did provide birth control, a legislator tried to close it down. Me and my classmates attended a march to prevent that, and luckily his attempts at closing that clinic failed...but it was close, too close.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Jul 1, 2017 20:28:55 GMT -5
How do you know that? I bring bottles of water with me everywhere we go. I buy them at BJ for less than $5 for a whole case - 36 bottles. I put them in the fridge and grab them on the way out. I know because the trash was left in my yard after the workers had finished. The price tags were still on the items. Like I say, I don't judge them for their choices, but a person could save real $$ buying water by the case like you and I, rather than getting one for $1.75 at the convenience store each morning with your smokes. The point of the story is that some people don't realize how small habits can consume real money over time. May be, may be not I have a tendency to look at annual numbers vs daily ones. So, let's say the guy spends $1.75 daily, 20 days a month, 12 months a year. That's $420. Could he do something better with that $400? Sure. But for many that's one month car pmt. So, I agree with Phil and Miss T - better to take care of big things first. Then may be you can be lazy about bottled water. I am not touching cigarettes bc I used to smoke and expense of it was NEVER a deterrent effect for me, even when I was in debt. Oh and I know you are not judging, I just wonder if "we" (general finance advice gurus) got a bit overboard with the latter factor instead of getting the bigger message accross.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 1, 2017 21:57:07 GMT -5
Medicaid provides BC as well as semi permanent BC. The problem is that you need to be able to get to a clinic. There is an area in rural KY where someone would have to drive 50 miles to get to the only clinic that provides birth control in the area under Medicaid. For or me or you, this is no big deal. Hell, I drive 100 miles to see my orthopod. However, if you have no transportation, or if it breaks down regularly, then you are SOL. Imagine that you do manage to make an appointment, get there, and get a prescription. You get home and your prescription for birth control is against the pharmacist's religion, and he refuses to fill it. This isn't made up either. Crap like this is what I heard first hand in some of my PH classes that I took, from people who were living in the middle of this (mainly MDs and nurses) and trying to help. Things that are so easy for much of middle class America are a lot harder in certain areas of the country. Oh, and that single clinic? Because it did provide birth control, a legislator tried to close it down. Me and my classmates attended a march to prevent that, and luckily his attempts at closing that clinic failed...but it was close, too close. Geez, I don't know. Maybe do something else in HS besides have sex? Didn't anyone have to study or work part-time or baby sit? Who are all these high schoolers screwing anyway. Last time I looked we all had minds. We're not animals in heat. We have choices. Choose to not get knocked up in HS. Having sex in HS is not part of the curriculum.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 1, 2017 21:59:30 GMT -5
Most of the ghettoes are concentrated in inner cities. They have access to BC. Since you can now get it without whatever passes as a parent in your life's permission , you can get away with not getting knocked up and adding to the family coffers.
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