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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 19:53:10 GMT -5
I'm thinking of writing in Limberbutt McCubbins as my cat is now deceased so he cannot be President. Dammit! I could put one of the bitch twins but seeing as they don't really like being in the same room with humans, me included, not sure how they would make it as President.
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Post by murphath on Nov 5, 2016 10:21:31 GMT -5
I, too, like TallGuy's synopsis.
I'm a more centrist thinker with leanings to the left on some issues and to the right on others. But, in the end, I voted for Hillary because she is intelligent.
I read a very interesting article about how the Mormons in Utah are planning to vote--they apparently have a third ticket nominee. Sorry, can't remember the name. The VP nominee was actually Mitt Romney's social media campaign manager who stated that he/she had written a thesis length paper to the Republican National Party about what the party needed to do in order to win in the future. They totally ignored it. These two folks are young and while they don't stand a chance of winning, I take their enthusiasm as a sign of new blood in that party. I am a registered independent voter and would love to see someone that is truly bipartisan.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 6, 2016 15:31:28 GMT -5
So is this about it..approximatly seventy or so folks here on a semi reguler basis spread among different venues..figure another ten who don't really want to participate in such a thing as a poll...would think more should be here as it is so well designed and monitored to keep things copathetic and nice and interesting...not sure how to spread the word to get more members , participants..or if even wanted
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 6, 2016 15:36:54 GMT -5
Some people just don't want to be subjected to the negativity found in the political scene, Dezi. They'll vote, I'm sure, but they'll keep their decisions to themselves. They don't come here to discuss the political morass. I can understand that. In a lot of ways, I feel the same way they do.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 6, 2016 18:26:43 GMT -5
So is this about it..approximatly seventy or so folks here on a semi reguler basis spread among different venues..figure another ten who don't really want to participate in such a thing as a poll...would think more should be here as it is so well designed and monitored to keep things copathetic and nice and interesting...not sure how to spread the word to get more members , participants..or if even wanted Dezi-Though the poll was started on Thursday, it is now the weekend, and elsewhere on these boards, it can be slow during this time. I imagine more will vote Monday and Tuesday without comment.
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 6, 2016 22:35:39 GMT -5
It also depends on how people navigate the boards. I rarely go directly to one specific board, and therefore don't see the announcement threads. Instead, I use the New Topics link on the menu bar to see all the recently posted to threads on all boards. So, if no one comments here for a while, it quickly drops down the page, and doesn't get seen as much. I do bump it up when I can but.... and of course, many just don't care to participate either way.
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Post by plugginaway22 on Nov 7, 2016 7:12:43 GMT -5
DH and I are mid-50s, registered Republicans. We started out as #neverTrump people who didn't know what to do. Even considered not voting. After watching every minute of the debates, a light bulb went on for me and DH has agreed...#wearewithHer. Gained a lot of respect for how she has handled him in this election and I made myself read more about her. We both cannot talk politics where we work and we are also in a very RED area in PA. Trump signs are everywhere. We know quite a few people who will do what we are doing and vote a straight blue ticket. I just hope people like me get out and vote.
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Post by sarcasticgirl on Nov 7, 2016 8:19:52 GMT -5
I have already voted for Clinton. The hate that Trump incites makes my stomach turn and scares the hell out if me. I am terrified of him winning... and terrified of him losing. He seems to have made it "OK" to be racist and sexist and say whatever you want. Apparently this being "real" is a virtue. Saying whatever you thing, no matter how nasty is acceptable. It saddens me, infuriates me and disgusts me. I honestly can't tell how much is real and how much is pandering. I have watched some speeches to try and hear his position and I can't even follow what he says. Clinton isn't my first choice. But like others here, I have done some research, I have respect for her journey.l, her experience and while I don't agree with everything... I do feel 100% confident that with her as president, I won't face the possibility of losing my right to vote. DH and I are on the same page. He is 40, I am mid 30s and we live in Chicago.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 7, 2016 10:43:59 GMT -5
... I have watched some speeches to try and hear his position and I can't even follow what he says. ... I have done the same. I had a friend who talked about teachers who "bird walked" in their lectures: You can watch how undisciplined Trump's mind is as he talks. It scares me to imagine that mind in being in charge in a crisis situation.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Nov 7, 2016 10:46:19 GMT -5
The funny thing about the election is both major candidates are too old(HC 68 and DT 70). Both are wealthy and well educated but neither are talking thing like Big Data or how are we going to develop World quality food for increased population. We need new and better ideas for the future of the world. How about unity and mutual understanding? OK: I voted a red ticket. Any mind is a parable thing to waste!
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Post by bean29 on Nov 7, 2016 10:48:51 GMT -5
I came home from running a few errands and found a Clinton/Kane sign in my yard.
I don't know if DH had it, or if someone stopped by and asked if they could put it up. There are literally no yard signs in my neighborhood, but if anyone thinks a Hispanic household will vote Trump they are nuts.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Nov 7, 2016 12:02:12 GMT -5
I came home from running a few errands and found a Clinton/Kane sign in my yard.
I don't know if DH had it, or if someone stopped by and asked if they could put it up. There are literally no yard signs in my neighborhood, but if anyone thinks a Hispanic household will vote Trump they are nuts. Bean29, I personally know five or six FORMER USM nationals that will vote for Trump. I will bet JEB Bush's wife will, she meet JEB when he was working in USM. Also know several MD's that were educated in USM that hate Obama Care and are voting for Trump. Remember Trump only has addressed undocumented : all of the Hispanic's I Know are documented. It is a real problem going through the paperwork to meet all the federal regulations to hire any of the hard working workers that want to work. Just my thoughts, Yes I may be nuts, Duke
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Post by Waffle on Nov 7, 2016 13:49:39 GMT -5
I suspect that Hispanics voting for Trump are like blacks voting for Trump - few and far between. There's been a lot of talk about how energized the Latino community is (against Trump) and how early voting statistics show a much higher percentage of Latinos voting this year than in past years.
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 7, 2016 14:37:11 GMT -5
Something I've never understood about Trump supporters..I get that people want someone who isn't a career politician.
But his behavior is so reprehensible! Making fun of handicapped and women. The misogyny, the racism, the list goes on and on. How are (general) you "ok with" this shit? How are (general) you able to justify him treating people as less than human? He has no morals whatsoever, in my opinion. How can he POSSIBLY be good for this country? Are you really willing to overlook all of that, as well as the very good possibility of him getting us into some serious crap by not thinking before he speaks, just to have a 'non politician' in office? It's seriously mind boggling. Really. I can't understand how anyone who considers themselves a good person can want to elect this man president.
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Post by bimetalaupt on Nov 7, 2016 15:27:19 GMT -5
Something I've never understood about Trump supporters..I get that people want someone who isn't a career politician. But his behavior is so reprehensible! Making fun of handcapped and women. The misogyny, the racism, the list goes on and on. How are (general) you "ok with" this shit? How are (general) you able to justify him treating people as less than human? He has no morals whatsoever, in my opinion. How can he POSSIBLY be good for this country? Are you really willing to overlook all of that, as well as the very good possibility of him getting us into some serious crap by not thinking before he speaks, just to have a 'non politician' in office? It's seriously mind boggling. Really. I can't understand how anyone who considers themselves a good person can want to elect this man president. Laura, It is not the DT I know. I was hopping JEB would be able to take DT out but his big $$$$$$$ was too much. It looks like four more years of gridlock. Looks like we will have Trump TV real soon!!! Trump is one hell of a competitor and will not give up!!!!!! Just my thoughts, Duke
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 7, 2016 16:21:54 GMT -5
That didn't really answer my question though, Bruce.
So JEB dropped out. Does that mean you then vote for Trump just because he's (supposedly) Republican? How can you live with yourself when he is that horrible of a person?
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 16:34:16 GMT -5
If I can take a stab at that, it is because there is very little intellectual integrity left in today's incarnation of the GOP. The only thing that matters for most is that he is not a Democrat. That he is not a true conservative, that he is not Christian, that he is not honest, that he is not honorable, that he appeals to the worst of society, that he has ties to people and countries hostile to us, and that he holds in utter disdain the concepts of equal rights and the value of democracy matters not a whit. He's not a Democrat, so we'll give him a pass on the rest.
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Post by bean29 on Nov 7, 2016 16:45:38 GMT -5
I came home from running a few errands and found a Clinton/Kane sign in my yard.
I don't know if DH had it, or if someone stopped by and asked if they could put it up. There are literally no yard signs in my neighborhood, but if anyone thinks a Hispanic household will vote Trump they are nuts. Bean29, I personally know five or six FORMER USM nationals that will vote for Trump. I will bet JEB Bush's wife will, she meet JEB when he was working in USM. Also know several MD's that were educated in USM that hate Obama Care and are voting for Trump. Remember Trump only has addressed undocumented : all of the Hispanic's I Know are documented. It is a real problem going through the paperwork to meet all the federal regulations to hire any of the hard working workers that want to work. Just my thoughts, Yes I may be nuts, Duke What Trump said: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
My husband, my FIL, My MIL, 5 of my 7 BIL, untold other relatives and friends are all immigrants to the US. I don't see the words "Illegal or Undocumented in that statement". [Eta: even if they were there, few illegal immigrants are rapists and drug dealers, so we take offense]. Not only does Trump fail to clarify, many of his supporters fail to differentiate legal from illegal voters. Don't forget the Judge from Indiana that he said was unqualified bc of his Mexican Heritage.
Then there is his treatment of Women. I don't want either of my kids to treat Women they way he does. I don't want my Daughter or her friends or my Son's GF to experience the kind of work environment Alicia Machado, Megyn Kelly, and Nancy O'Dell to name a few encountered. We thought this was all behind us, Trump (and other Republicans like Roger Alies) proves the battle is on-going.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 7, 2016 17:04:42 GMT -5
Something I've never understood about Trump supporters..I get that people want someone who isn't a career politician. But his behavior is so reprehensible! Making fun of handicapped and women. The misogyny, the racism, the list goes on and on. How are (general) you "ok with" this shit? How are (general) you able to justify him treating people as less than human? He has no morals whatsoever, in my opinion. How can he POSSIBLY be good for this country? Are you really willing to overlook all of that, as well as the very good possibility of him getting us into some serious crap by not thinking before he speaks, just to have a 'non politician' in office? It's seriously mind boggling. Really. I can't understand how anyone who considers themselves a good person can want to elect this man president. The thing about Trump is that he is really not much different from various past presidents, in terms of how he treats women. The big difference is that he is more open and vocal about it. And I know I am in a minority on this one - but I am very tired of politicians who think too much before they speak bc all it does is gives them time to come up with clever BS to appease the public, when in reality, who the hell knows what they are thinking. Also, the argument that he will get us into serious crap internationally makes no sense to me. People don't build business on their own. They do it bc they know how to surround themselves with the best people for each job. He was not my first or even second or even third choice, but I will never ever ever vote for Hilary. Like I said - I was hoping to like Johnson, but that ended fast.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 7, 2016 18:42:18 GMT -5
... And I know I am in a minority on this one - but I am very tired of politicians who think too much before they speak bc all it does is gives them time to come up with clever BS to appease the public, when in reality, who the hell knows what they are thinking. Also, the argument that he will get us into serious crap internationally makes no sense to me. People don't build business on their own. They do it bc they know how to surround themselves with the best people for each job. ... Say that you support Trump because you think he’s a wild force unbound by the normal conventions of Washington-as-usual. Great. But can you make the necessary logical leap to conclude that he is unbound by normal conventions … except when it comes to nukes? ....
It's not safe to assume that Trump will keep his finger off the red button. He is aggressive, he does have poor impulse control, and he is not bound by normal conventions along any dimension, nor does he show any evidence of listening to his advisers. In addition, he seems to see everything he touches -- his businesses, his primary supporters, the Republican Party -- as extensions of himself. Worse still, he seems to be constitutionally incapable of shrugging off even the smallest slight to either his person or his extended self. He wildly overreacts even when the reaction is obviously going to hurt him, and what we must assume to be the heroic efforts of his political advisers have failed to curb him of this tendency. www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-06/trump-is-disqualified-for-his-interest-in-using-nuclear-weapons
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 7, 2016 19:03:22 GMT -5
... And I know I am in a minority on this one - but I am very tired of politicians who think too much before they speak bc all it does is gives them time to come up with clever BS to appease the public, when in reality, who the hell knows what they are thinking. Also, the argument that he will get us into serious crap internationally makes no sense to me. People don't build business on their own. They do it bc they know how to surround themselves with the best people for each job. ... Say that you support Trump because you think he’s a wild force unbound by the normal conventions of Washington-as-usual. Great. But can you make the necessary logical leap to conclude that he is unbound by normal conventions … except when it comes to nukes? ....
It's not safe to assume that Trump will keep his finger off the red button. He is aggressive, he does have poor impulse control, and he is not bound by normal conventions along any dimension, nor does he show any evidence of listening to his advisers. In addition, he seems to see everything he touches -- his businesses, his primary supporters, the Republican Party -- as extensions of himself. Worse still, he seems to be constitutionally incapable of shrugging off even the smallest slight to either his person or his extended self. He wildly overreacts even when the reaction is obviously going to hurt him, and what we must assume to be the heroic efforts of his political advisers have failed to curb him of this tendency. www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-06/trump-is-disqualified-for-his-interest-in-using-nuclear-weapons Actually I never said nor implied that.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 19:18:56 GMT -5
Say that you support Trump because you think he’s a wild force unbound by the normal conventions of Washington-as-usual. Great. But can you make the necessary logical leap to conclude that he is unbound by normal conventions … except when it comes to nukes? ....
It's not safe to assume that Trump will keep his finger off the red button. He is aggressive, he does have poor impulse control, and he is not bound by normal conventions along any dimension, nor does he show any evidence of listening to his advisers. In addition, he seems to see everything he touches -- his businesses, his primary supporters, the Republican Party -- as extensions of himself. Worse still, he seems to be constitutionally incapable of shrugging off even the smallest slight to either his person or his extended self. He wildly overreacts even when the reaction is obviously going to hurt him, and what we must assume to be the heroic efforts of his political advisers have failed to curb him of this tendency. www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-06/trump-is-disqualified-for-his-interest-in-using-nuclear-weapons Actually I never said nor implied that. He is not saying you said or implied it. The whole thing is a quote from the article linked. But it is relevant to the idea of being against people who think too much. People who do NOT think too much are frightening.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 7, 2016 19:26:23 GMT -5
Actually I never said nor implied that. He is not saying you said or implied it. The whole thing is a quote from the article linked. But it is relevant to the idea of being against people who think too much. People who do NOT think too much are frightening. And more so I posted it because of the comment about "serious crap internationally". Can't imagine anything like a nuclear first strike to get us into some serious crap.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 7, 2016 19:55:35 GMT -5
He is not saying you said or implied it. The whole thing is a quote from the article linked. But it is relevant to the idea of being against people who think too much. People who do NOT think too much are frightening. And more so I posted it because of the comment about "serious crap internationally". Can't imagine anything like a nuclear first strike to get us into some serious crap. Yes, bc there is a REAL threat of Donald hitting the botton. There is a much bigger threat for me that Hilary will make our military very very weak, leaving us wide open to anyone who wants to attack. Anywhooo, I have less than zero interest entering any kind of debate about DT - I simply answered Moon's question.
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Post by kittensaver on Nov 7, 2016 20:00:11 GMT -5
Something I've never understood about Trump supporters..I get that people want someone who isn't a career politician. But his behavior is so reprehensible! Making fun of handicapped and women. The misogyny, the racism, the list goes on and on. How are (general) you "ok with" this shit? How are (general) you able to justify him treating people as less than human? He has no morals whatsoever, in my opinion. How can he POSSIBLY be good for this country? Are you really willing to overlook all of that, as well as the very good possibility of him getting us into some serious crap by not thinking before he speaks, just to have a 'non politician' in office? It's seriously mind boggling. Really. I can't understand how anyone who considers themselves a good person can want to elect this man president.
I've been spending a LOT of time trying to figure it out also. Two things clicked for me. The first is a quote from Lyndon Johnson (as told to and verified by a young Bill Moyers who was out on the road covering Johnson):
"We were in Tennessee. During the motorcade, he spotted some ugly racial epithets scrawled on signs. Late that night in the hotel, when the local dignitaries had finished the last bottles of bourbon and branch water and departed, he started talking about those signs. "I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
The second thing that explained a LOT to me is a new (June 2016) book called Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance. An eye opening read.
Both of these gave me some insight as to why poor, uneducated whites in the country seem to consistently vote against their best interests. *SMH*
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Post by moon/Laura on Nov 7, 2016 20:54:31 GMT -5
It will always be a mystery to me, I guess.
And yes, I do feel nukes are a possibility - because Trump is a hot head. Either he'll get pissed and push the button without thinking it through as usual, or someone will get tired of him running his mouth and send some our way. I think we're fucked, period.
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Post by tallguy on Nov 7, 2016 21:01:12 GMT -5
The results kinda blow the lid off the "Donald Trump is a legitimate candidate" argument.
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 7, 2016 21:02:58 GMT -5
neat...seems a lot more have shown up to vote and really surprised Johnson has picked up so much support...
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 7, 2016 21:14:57 GMT -5
Something I've never understood about Trump supporters..I get that people want someone who isn't a career politician. But his behavior is so reprehensible! Making fun of handcapped and women. The misogyny, the racism, the list goes on and on. How are (general) you "ok with" this shit? How are (general) you able to justify him treating people as less than human? He has no morals whatsoever, in my opinion. How can he POSSIBLY be good for this country? Are you really willing to overlook all of that, as well as the very good possibility of him getting us into some serious crap by not thinking before he speaks, just to have a 'non politician' in office? It's seriously mind boggling. Really. I can't understand how anyone who considers themselves a good person can want to elect this man president. Laura, It is not the DT I know. I was hopping JEB would be able to take DT out but his big $$$$$$$ was too much. It looks like four more years of gridlock. Looks like we will have Trump TV real soon!!! Trump is one hell of a competitor and will not give up!!!!!! Just my thoughts, Duke if he wants to form his own network more power to him...then conservatives would have no excuse to blame lack of media support...For me, never ever watch Fox so probably would never watch the new station either...
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Post by dezailoooooo on Nov 7, 2016 21:20:29 GMT -5
If I can take a stab at that, it is because there is very little intellectual integrity left in today's incarnation of the GOP. The only thing that matters for most is that he is not a Democrat. That he is not a true conservative, that he is not Christian, that he is not honest, that he is not honorable, that he appeals to the worst of society, that he has ties to people and countries hostile to us, and that he holds in utter disdain the concepts of equal rights and the value of democracy matters not a whit. He's not a Democrat, so we'll give him a pass on the rest. I am thinking that you were trying to be facitiouse but realize there is so much truth to your statement and by the likes you are getting , so many are agreeing with your post..made as a joke or not...when u think this is what we have come down to...........................................please excuse but I am going to be sick
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