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Post by Opti on Jul 20, 2016 8:48:38 GMT -5
CNN and ABC network have made announcements, they are not sure what happened here. They both stated the speech given was not to one that was approved for last night. Now let's put this in perspective. Hillary lied to the press, American citizens, and Congress on the e-mails. She did receive and send secret tagged e-mails. The FBI stated it. She is running for the Presidency. Melania is not running for anything. If you and the media want to hold her responsible for plagarism, you must hold Hillary liable for the greater evil of lieing. If Trump must be defeated for the bad speech, surely Hillary must be defeated for the lies to America. Why couldn't it be Donald Trump himself and/or his campaign manager who ordered his wife's speech be partially plagarized? Who really has the most to gain from this? Donald Trump. Blame one of his political enemies and state "They made my beautiful, innocent wife look like a fool and a thief!" He gets a whole bunch of pity votes. It totally could have been Donald Trump. He's a control freak. Its amazing anyone believes the crap they are spreading now. I'm sure Donald himself vetted her speech. Whether that was in there so it would be discovered or as a FU joke to the audience, IDK.
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Post by Opti on Jul 20, 2016 9:14:30 GMT -5
Well, what are we debating? Did Melanoma plagiarize parts of her speech? Yes. Yes, she did. Happy? The jury is now out of the room and sequestered, while the liberal networks re-debate this charge. It seems somehow, that was not the speech that was officially written. Even the networks are semi-backtracking the charges now. This could be a new Watergate. And it probably involves Hillary and evasive servers in the RNC office being hacked and the speech replaced for Hillary's benefit Hillarygate has a nice ring to it......
I think all we need to know is summarized neatly in this one sentence. Melania and Donald share a belief in facts and truth are malleable.
"Certainly there is no feeling on [Melania's] part that she did it," Manafort said. www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-campaign-s-shifting-story-speech-raises-new-questions-n612826
(And Scully's draft didn't make into the final version, just 6 paragraphs or so. )
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Post by sesfw on Jul 20, 2016 11:17:06 GMT -5
Now let's put this in perspective. Hillary lied to the press, American citizens, and Congress on the e-mails. She did receive and send secret tagged e-mails. The FBI stated it. She is running for the Presidency. Melania is not running for anything. If you and the media want to hold her responsible for plagiarism, you must hold Hillary liable for the greater evil of lieing. If Trump must be defeated for the bad speech, surely Hillary must be defeated for the lies to America. Never billary, never ........ Totally unacceptable. Our country security is at risk, she doesn't have the common sense of what is right or wrong.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 11:32:39 GMT -5
Now let's put this in perspective. Hillary lied to the press, American citizens, and Congress on the e-mails. She did receive and send secret tagged e-mails. The FBI stated it. She is running for the Presidency. Melania is not running for anything. If you and the media want to hold her responsible for plagiarism, you must hold Hillary liable for the greater evil of lieing. If Trump must be defeated for the bad speech, surely Hillary must be defeated for the lies to America. Never billary, never ........ Totally unacceptable. Our country security is at risk, she doesn't have the common sense of what is right or wrong. As opposed to Trump, who doesn't care what is right or wrong? Denying housing to blacks is wrong. Mocking prisoners of war is wrong. Denigrating women is wrong. Making fun of disabled people is wrong. He's the biggest ass in all of assdom. I'm sure he'll make a fine POTUS.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2016 11:35:43 GMT -5
Now let's put this in perspective. Hillary lied to the press, American citizens, and Congress on the e-mails. She did receive and send secret tagged e-mails. The FBI stated it. She is running for the Presidency. Melania is not running for anything. If you and the media want to hold her responsible for plagiarism, you must hold Hillary liable for the greater evil of lieing. If Trump must be defeated for the bad speech, surely Hillary must be defeated for the lies to America. Never billary, never ........ Totally unacceptable. Our country security is at risk, she doesn't have the common sense of what is right or wrong. i think she knows what she did wrong. and i think that Trump lies way more than "Billary" does. oh- by the way- isn't that nickname illegal, here? and if it isn't, i like tall's "TrumpleThinSkin" for her opponent.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 11:40:45 GMT -5
Now let's put this in perspective. Hillary lied to the press, American citizens, and Congress on the e-mails. She did receive and send secret tagged e-mails. The FBI stated it. She is running for the Presidency. Melania is not running for anything. If you and the media want to hold her responsible for plagiarism, you must hold Hillary liable for the greater evil of lieing. If Trump must be defeated for the bad speech, surely Hillary must be defeated for the lies to America. Never billary, never ........ Totally unacceptable. Our country security is at risk, she doesn't have the common sense of what is right or wrong. i think she knows what she did wrong. and i think that Trump lies way more than "Billary" does.
oh- by the way- isn't that nickname illegal, here? and if it isn't, i like tall's "TrumpleThinSkin" for her opponent. Our news said he lies more than anyone. After fact-checking, he lies 75% of the time. Evidently, his made-in-China pants are always on fire.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 20, 2016 11:47:44 GMT -5
FWIW, IM(not so)HO, this whole speech thing is an absurd distraction.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Jul 20, 2016 11:54:35 GMT -5
Yes it's a distraction. Every night has a theme. Last night was the economy. I'm still waiting to hear anything other than Hillary bashing.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 12:04:21 GMT -5
The GOP platform is THE most religious, most anti-woman, the most anti-choice and the most anti-LGBT in all of history. Other countries are moving forward, while the US is plowing, full steam ahead, into the past. Nicely done!
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 12:10:08 GMT -5
"It's embarrassing to me to see that's in our party platform. I'm heartbroken over it," says Deaton, whose organization is co-hosting Wednesday's Big Tent Brunch with Jenner. "It's the year 2016, and I think everybody expected that the platform could at least move forward with the times." Formalized in the updated platform is a reaffirmation of the merits of "traditional marriage" and a denunciation of federal marriage-equality laws, as well as a plank describing "a married mom and dad" in a two-parent household as being an antidote to a child's potential life of crime and drug abuse. The platform was ratified anyway this week. It contains what Hoff calls "horrifying language" objecting to gay couples adopting children as well as an endorsement of "conversion therapy," the widely discredited practice that claims to be able to change the sexual orientations of LGBT children. www.cbc.ca/news/world/gay-republicans-platform-lgbt-rachel-hoff-log-cabin-republicans-gop-donald-trump-1.3686672AND that Gellar idiot is making jokes about the Orlando gay shootings. It's a real hoot, dontcha know? Class acts all around!
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2016 12:59:09 GMT -5
really? she didn't check the passages against the original?
that is not an innocent mistake. that is an act of buffoonery.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 13:13:02 GMT -5
Speechwriter? She looked straight at the camera and said she wrote it herself.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 13:15:13 GMT -5
anyone else watching live coverage? I may actually have to turn this off. between the sanctimonious bullshit, the absolute pandering to the base uneducated Trump supporter, and now they parade out the mother of one of the men killed at Benghazi. tell me what you will do for the country, not bullshit about why the other candidate sucks. They'll drag it back to the Dark Ages! Pray that gay away!
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Post by dondub on Jul 20, 2016 13:15:34 GMT -5
Our country's security is at risk?
Frankly, I don't think so.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 20, 2016 13:17:17 GMT -5
Speechwriter? She looked straight at the camera and said she wrote it herself. Everything out of the Trump family's mouth is pretty much a lie. Nothing new here!
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2016 13:26:48 GMT -5
really? she didn't check the passages against the original? that is not an innocent mistake. that is an act of buffoonery. Blame the campaign staff.
Two very good speechwriters wrote a nice speech for Melania, but Melania and her ex ballerina GF shredded it and added in shit they googled, apparently.
It's the job of the campaign staff to double, triple, and quadruple check all the speeches during the convention, especially the important ones. Apparently, none of them bothered to vet this speech, probably because they assumed it was the speech written by the two professional political speech writers, when actually, Melanie and her buddy only kept a few paragraphs of the original.
Once again, tiny campaign staff made of cronies and family members flying by the seats of their pants fucks up. Imagine that.
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2016 13:31:41 GMT -5
Interesting report from a couple sources (I suspect Kaisch is leaking this - no love lost between him and Trump).
Trump promised him he could be the most power VP in history because Trump intends to leave all the domestic and international shit to the VP while he, in the words of his son, "MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
So those of you voting for Trump - keep in mind that Pence is actually going to be the POTUS.
This is actually good news, for me, because while I don't agree with Pence on a lot of stuff, I think he would make less disastrous decisions than Trump. Almost anyone would.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 13:44:59 GMT -5
Interesting report from a couple sources (I suspect Kaisch is leaking this - no love lost between him and Trump).
Trump promised him he could be the most power VP in history because Trump intends to leave all the domestic and international shit to the VP while he, in the words of his son, "MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
So those of you voting for Trump - keep in mind that Pence is actually going to be the POTUS.
This is actually good news, for me, because while I don't agree with Pence on a lot of stuff, I think he would make less disastrous decisions than Trump. Almost anyone would.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0 So what issues will Trump handle? Interplanetary? Extraterrestrial?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2016 14:18:20 GMT -5
really? she didn't check the passages against the original? that is not an innocent mistake. that is an act of buffoonery. Blame the campaign staff.
Two very good speechwriters wrote a nice speech for Melania, but Melania and her ex ballerina GF shredded it and added in shit they googled, apparently.
It's the job of the campaign staff to double, triple, and quadruple check all the speeches during the convention, especially the important ones. Apparently, none of them bothered to vet this speech, probably because they assumed it was the speech written by the two professional political speech writers, when actually, Melanie and her buddy only kept a few paragraphs of the original.
Once again, tiny campaign staff made of cronies and family members flying by the seats of their pants fucks up. Imagine that.
here is the other thing, tho. the speechwriter gave Meliana credit for using her own words. when the speech came back with the phrases lifted from Obama's speech- shouldn't Meliana have known it was going to land her in trouble to read them? or did she just figure she could blame someone else? i am really not getting how an "accident" of this scale (in terms of public speaking) can happen.
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 20, 2016 14:25:45 GMT -5
Interesting report from a couple sources (I suspect Kaisch is leaking this - no love lost between him and Trump).
Trump promised him he could be the most power VP in history because Trump intends to leave all the domestic and international shit to the VP while he, in the words of his son, "MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
So those of you voting for Trump - keep in mind that Pence is actually going to be the POTUS.
This is actually good news, for me, because while I don't agree with Pence on a lot of stuff, I think he would make less disastrous decisions than Trump. Almost anyone would.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0 So what issues will Trump handle? Interplanetary? Extraterrestrial? My thought is he will deal with the bright shiny things that catch his attention for the short period of time that they hold his attention. Others will be expected to deal with all other things at all other times.
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Post by justme on Jul 20, 2016 14:26:43 GMT -5
Interesting report from a couple sources (I suspect Kaisch is leaking this - no love lost between him and Trump).
Trump promised him he could be the most power VP in history because Trump intends to leave all the domestic and international shit to the VP while he, in the words of his son, "MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
So those of you voting for Trump - keep in mind that Pence is actually going to be the POTUS.
This is actually good news, for me, because while I don't agree with Pence on a lot of stuff, I think he would make less disastrous decisions than Trump. Almost anyone would.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0 So what issues will Trump handle? Interplanetary? Extraterrestrial? Why the new reality tv shows life in the white house and trumps apprentice.
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Post by movingforward on Jul 20, 2016 14:27:21 GMT -5
Honestly, I am already feeling really down about all the terrible events that have happened lately. No way I am going to expose myself to more people encouraging hate in America.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 20, 2016 14:31:18 GMT -5
so far, he has shown he can't handle Meagan Kelly or speeches.
what has he shown he CAN handle? JEB!?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 14:35:15 GMT -5
so far, he has shown he can't handle Meagan Kelly or speeches. what has he shown he CAN handle? JEB!? Ex-candidates? After paying them off or promising them stuff, of course.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jul 20, 2016 14:46:27 GMT -5
Interesting report from a couple sources (I suspect Kaisch is leaking this - no love lost between him and Trump).
Trump promised him he could be the most power VP in history because Trump intends to leave all the domestic and international shit to the VP while he, in the words of his son, "MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
So those of you voting for Trump - keep in mind that Pence is actually going to be the POTUS.
This is actually good news, for me, because while I don't agree with Pence on a lot of stuff, I think he would make less disastrous decisions than Trump. Almost anyone would.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0 So what issues will Trump handle? Interplanetary? Extraterrestrial? The continued alimony payments to his ex-wives and running the Trump empire.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jul 20, 2016 14:50:45 GMT -5
So what issues will Trump handle? Interplanetary? Extraterrestrial? The continued alimony payments to his ex-wives and running the Trump empire.Oh, I'm sure there will be no conflict of interest there. Trump's moral compass won't allow it. Lol!
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Post by happyhoix on Jul 20, 2016 14:51:47 GMT -5
Interesting report from a couple sources (I suspect Kaisch is leaking this - no love lost between him and Trump).
Trump promised him he could be the most power VP in history because Trump intends to leave all the domestic and international shit to the VP while he, in the words of his son, "MAKES AMERICA GREAT AGAIN."
So those of you voting for Trump - keep in mind that Pence is actually going to be the POTUS.
This is actually good news, for me, because while I don't agree with Pence on a lot of stuff, I think he would make less disastrous decisions than Trump. Almost anyone would.
www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0 So what issues will Trump handle? Interplanetary? Extraterrestrial? MAKING AMERICA GREAT! - which probably involves something like eating apple pie while watching a baseball game with a boy scout troop and humming the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Or something. And Trump will be so very nice, so very very awesome at it.
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