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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 2, 2016 8:30:03 GMT -5
Yeaaa, the last eight years have been great!!
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2016 9:22:21 GMT -5
I am beginning to think he does not need to win the nomination. It might just get handed to him by the super delegates before the convention if the e-mail scandal has any legs. Some important Democrats are showing some queazy stomachs right now. They might start flipping next week, and definitely after the California primary if Bernie beats her by a couple of percentage points. The man still drew 10,000 people last night in California. And that's for a guy who by all accounts is beaten. i will bet you $1,000 HC wins BOTH the Supers and the nomination, provided that no indictments are handed down (and i don't expect any). you game? or are you just blathering? I do not do monetary bets on the internet..... You do remember the last time you wanted to bet me on a primary, doncha ya? I did not bet then but did win the argument I admit, without an indictment, Hillary wins the nomination. So what? Bernie does not look like he is going away even after she wins the race, and will be a hold out til sometime at the convention. His wife, said they are holding Clinton hostage (my description) to name a far left progressive to the ticket. This should be fun.
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2016 10:07:02 GMT -5
Yeaaa, the last eight years have been great!!
You preferred the previous 8?
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2016 10:13:39 GMT -5
Yeaaa, the last eight years have been great!!
You preferred the previous 8? I will admit the last two years of Bush were a disaster for the country and everyone's pocketbook. But explain to me, why so many middle class families as well as lower economic classes still feel this way nine years later? The Democrats have not helped them. That hope and change never worked out as claimed. It has been bend over and kiss your......... And now the Obamacare cost to recipients is coming home to bite them........
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2016 10:18:09 GMT -5
What was it again that the Repo controlled Congress has done to help the American people since 2010? I keep forgetting their amazing accomplishments.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2016 10:33:02 GMT -5
What was it again that the Repo controlled Congress has done to help the American people since 2010? I keep forgetting their amazing accomplishments. Oh, I whole heartedly agree! That is why I have no problem with Trump blowing up the party. It has to change, and change now.
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2016 11:07:53 GMT -5
As if that will cause the Repos to do anything that helps the American people.
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 2, 2016 11:58:22 GMT -5
But,But,But, I thought Obama was going to fix "ALL" of America's problems in the first six weeks of his presidency,
didn't he have the full support of a democratic Congress?? What happened??
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 13:02:08 GMT -5
Yeaaa, the last eight years have been great!! i would take a CENTURY full of the last (8) years before i would take (8) of the previous ones.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 13:03:33 GMT -5
It's been an interesting turn around. A month or so ago, all the pundits were speculating that the GOP nomination would be a fight right up to the convention and the GOP would remain fractured. Instead, Trump has sewn up the nomination and the GOP is more or less coming to terms with it. The #never Trump never really got off the ground. On the other side, Hillary is still fighting the nomination with Bernie. Although she's sure to win, she's still fighting Bernie instead of Trump, and she's continually dogged by the e-mail scandal, and likely will continue to be up until the election. Some in the democrat (sic) camp are actually starting to get worried, whereas before they were hoping Trump would win the nomination because then it'd supposedly be a landslide victory for Clinton. It'd still say Clinton is probably the more likely winner, but I think it's within the realm of possibility for Trump to win. Clinton just seems gaffe prone and has historic lows in likability and trustworthiness ratings. At her core, I just don't think she's a people person. Trump has his work cut out for him. A lot of people hold a unfavorable or fearful view of trump. He's going to have to do a lot to set people more at ease with the idea of a Trump presidency. But he's proven himself a master showman, so it's possible. i suspect the fight on the left will fall into a pile of ash, just as it has done on the right. but think what you like.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 13:08:33 GMT -5
i will bet you $1,000 HC wins BOTH the Supers and the nomination, provided that no indictments are handed down (and i don't expect any). you game? or are you just blathering? I do not do monetary bets on the internet..... pity. i find it to be quite.....beneficial. You do remember the last time you wanted to bet me on a primary, doncha ya? I did not bet then but did win the argument yep. and afterwards, i told you you should have taken the bet! i would have GLADLY handed it over, as i keep all my bet winnings in the same account, and there is.....plenty in it. I admit, without an indictment, Hillary wins the nomination. So what? so nothing. that's all. just stop pretending that anything else is even remotely likely. it isn't.Bernie does not look like he is going away even after she wins the race, and will be a hold out til sometime at the convention. His wife, said they are holding Clinton hostage (my description) to name a far left progressive to the ticket. This should be fun. yeah, because all of that tough talk from Rubio about never supporting Trump was so reliable, we should believe that Bernie will never support Clinton (even though he has never made that claim)? i think that the GOP is completely deluded if they believe anything of the sort.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 13:14:53 GMT -5
Yeaaa, the last eight years have been great!!
You preferred the previous 8? I will admit the last two years of Bush were a disaster for the country and everyone's pocketbook. yeah, and the first six were just so spectacular: 1) the stock market collapsed into a heap of ash 2) we got our asses kicked by a bunch if idiots with box knives 3) we started a war with someone who had nothing to do with the above, cost half a trillion, and killed 100k innocent people and more Americans than 911 4) we turned a potential surplus into a large deficit which turned into an even larger deficit when the economy tanked 5) we turned a world of goodwill into a world of hate and distrust in the span of 2 short years 6) we became a nation of torture and indefinite detention for the first time in 60 years 7) i could go on and on, but i already have, and you still seem to be saying that the first six Bush years were enough to keep him out of the toilet of history. they weren't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 13:15:52 GMT -5
But,But,But, I thought Obama was going to fix "ALL" of America's problems in the first six weeks of his presidency, didn't he have the full support of a democratic Congress?? What happened?? he never had the support of the Blue Dog contingent. that is what happened.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 13:20:32 GMT -5
NOTE: if you guys thing that running against Obama is a good strategy, i would urge you to consider where he stands in the polls right now. he has 49% approval- approximately what REAGAN had at this point in his presidency.
y'allz might think that Obama is the worst president ever, but clearly that is not what most people think- especially outside Republican circles.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 2, 2016 15:45:18 GMT -5
I don't know how good this chart is, but it's an average of several polls, so hopefully its pretty accurate, even if it is from that liberal bastion the Huffington post:
Trump approval rating at 39%. Trying to run against Obama at about 50% approval rating.
Sounds about as reasonable as any of Trump's campaign strategies.
elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating
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Post by dondub on Jun 2, 2016 15:47:20 GMT -5
But,But,But, I thought Obama was going to fix "ALL" of America's problems in the first six weeks of his presidency,
Not sure why you thought that. Maybe you can link us to where Obama said that. Considering the shitstorm Bush left him I have a feeling he didn't.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2016 15:48:29 GMT -5
I do not do monetary bets on the internet..... pity. i find it to be quite.....beneficial. You do remember the last time you wanted to bet me on a primary, doncha ya? I did not bet then but did win the argument yep. and afterwards, i told you you should have taken the bet! i would have GLADLY handed it over, as i keep all my bet winnings in the same account, and there is.....plenty in it. I admit, without an indictment, Hillary wins the nomination. So what? so nothing. that's all. just stop pretending that anything else is even remotely likely. it isn't.Bernie does not look like he is going away even after she wins the race, and will be a hold out til sometime at the convention. His wife, said they are holding Clinton hostage (my description) to name a far left progressive to the ticket. This should be fun. yeah, because all of that tough talk from Rubio about never supporting Trump was so reliable, we should believe that Bernie will never support Clinton (even though he has never made that claim)? i think that the GOP is completely deluded if they believe anything of the sort. How could you EVER compare Bernie Sanders to Rubio? Sanders, although a socialist, does have some redeeming qualities. If he said he would support her after the nomination, I believe him, but not necessarily the woman behind him, his wife. I am surprised the media has not talked about how she is running the show for Bernie. Sometimes it looks like he is a young puppy being led around on a short leash by her
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2016 15:50:09 GMT -5
NOTE: if you guys thing that running against Obama is a good strategy, i would urge you to consider where he stands in the polls right now. he has 49% approval- approximately what REAGAN had at this point in his presidency. y'allz might think that Obama is the worst president ever, but clearly that is not what most people think- especially outside Republican circles. I thought it was 51% Did he drop? I admit, the world did not collapse under his watch. It just looks like it.
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Post by Value Buy on Jun 2, 2016 15:53:33 GMT -5
As if that will cause the Repos to do anything that helps the American people. I am hoping he blows the current leadership out of the party. Bring in people who do not lie to us, and as long as they give their 100% effort, and do not get the job done, at least the correct effort was made. Right now we are simply, the Democrat lite party.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 2, 2016 16:04:11 GMT -5
As if that will cause the Repos to do anything that helps the American people. I am hoping he blows the current leadership out of the party. Bring in people who do not lie to us, and as long as they give their 100% effort, and do not get the job done, at least the correct effort was made. Right now we are simply, the Democrat lite party. Trump lies. Nonstop.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Jun 2, 2016 17:49:39 GMT -5
It's been an interesting turn around. A month or so ago, all the pundits were speculating that the GOP nomination would be a fight right up to the convention and the GOP would remain fractured. Instead, Trump has sewn up the nomination and the GOP is more or less coming to terms with it. The #never Trump never really got off the ground. On the other side, Hillary is still fighting the nomination with Bernie. Although she's sure to win, she's still fighting Bernie instead of Trump, and she's continually dogged by the e-mail scandal, and likely will continue to be up until the election. Some in the democrat (sic) camp are actually starting to get worried, whereas before they were hoping Trump would win the nomination because then it'd supposedly be a landslide victory for Clinton. It'd still say Clinton is probably the more likely winner, but I think it's within the realm of possibility for Trump to win. Clinton just seems gaffe prone and has historic lows in likability and trustworthiness ratings. At her core, I just don't think she's a people person. Trump has his work cut out for him. A lot of people hold a unfavorable or fearful view of trump. He's going to have to do a lot to set people more at ease with the idea of a Trump presidency. But he's proven himself a master showman, so it's possible. i suspect the fight on the left will fall into a pile of ash, just as it has done on the right. but think what you like. You're probably right for the most part. The only thing is I think a lot of Sander's supporters are younger voters who haven't voted before. I don't think they'll vote for Trump, but I do think that many of them will simply not vote in November. But I think in general, yes, the fight on the left will evaporate just as quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 18:05:32 GMT -5
I am hoping he blows the current leadership out of the party. Bring in people who do not lie to us, and as long as they give their 100% effort, and do not get the job done, at least the correct effort was made. Right now we are simply, the Democrat lite party. Trump lies. Nonstop. How do you know? "I have a plan, and it's the greatest plan ever. I'm not going to give you details, but trust me, it's a great plan!" could be true...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 18:18:35 GMT -5
yeah, because all of that tough talk from Rubio about never supporting Trump was so reliable, we should believe that Bernie will never support Clinton (even though he has never made that claim)? i think that the GOP is completely deluded if they believe anything of the sort. How could you EVER compare Bernie Sanders to Rubio? Sanders, although a socialist, does have some redeeming qualities. If he said he would support her after the nomination, I believe him, but not necessarily the woman behind him, his wife. I am surprised the media has not talked about how she is running the show for Bernie. Sometimes it looks like he is a young puppy being led around on a short leash by her not sure what is so shocking about that. i don't know either of those guys. from where i sit, they are East Coast Senators. that's it. having overcome that objection, do you think i am wrong?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 18:19:46 GMT -5
i suspect the fight on the left will fall into a pile of ash, just as it has done on the right. but think what you like. You're probably right for the most part. The only thing is I think a lot of Sander's supporters are younger voters who haven't voted before. I don't think they'll vote for Trump, but I do think that many of them will simply not vote in November. But I think in general, yes, the fight on the left will evaporate just as quickly. young voters are notoriously unreliable. if Clinton is planning on winning using them, she might as well concede to Trump.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2016 18:20:51 GMT -5
As if that will cause the Repos to do anything that helps the American people. I am hoping he blows the current leadership out of the party. Bring in people who do not lie to us, and as long as they give their 100% effort, and do not get the job done, at least the correct effort was made. Right now we are simply, the Democrat (sic) lite party. no. the GOP is the flaming right wing crazy party right now. the most conservative party to ever govern in US history. if anything, Trump represents a step toward the middle, which should worry Clinton quite a bit.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 2, 2016 18:29:05 GMT -5
How do you know? "I have a plan, and it's the greatest plan ever. I'm not going to give you details, but trust me, it's a great plan!" could be true... "It's going to be Yuuuge!! It's a beautiful plan!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 19:00:46 GMT -5
How do you know? "I have a plan, and it's the greatest plan ever. I'm not going to give you details, but trust me, it's a great plan!" could be true... "It's going to be Yuuuge!! It's a beautiful plan!!! Exactly!
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Post by OldCoyote on Jun 3, 2016 0:06:46 GMT -5
But,But,But, I thought Obama was going to fix "ALL" of America's problems in the first six weeks of his presidency, didn't he have the full support of a democratic Congress?? What happened?? he never had the support of the Blue Dog contingent. that is what happened. Who's fault was that?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 3, 2016 10:12:24 GMT -5
he never had the support of the Blue Dog contingent. that is what happened. Who's fault was that? Howard Dean's, imo. but that is probably not the answer you were looking for.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 3, 2016 10:13:46 GMT -5
I would put Obama's handling of Congress during his early years as one of his biggest shortcomings in office- and I bet he would too. This is, I think, where his detractors have a legitimate point; his lack of long term legislative or executive experience left him with little practical ability to heard the cats of Congress. Contrast his performance here with someone like LBJ, who was an absolute master at it.
His early invitation to let Congress figure out the details of the ACA early on- particularly without a strong block or voice in the Congress- was just bad strategy, and imo showed a rather hopeful concept of how Congress works. He seemed to also come up short at some of the political backslapping and back and forth that is the currency of the game.
However if a man is to have a shortcoming I would say not being adept at being a glad handing shyster is not a bad shortcoming to pick on the moral scale of things.
Now what about Clinton? She is not great at wholesale politics, as we all know. How will she be when it is time for her to gladhand and strongarm her Congressional allies and enemies when she is in the Oval Office? i think the better question is: is she better EQUIPPED for that task than Trump.
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