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Post by Shooby on Feb 20, 2016 21:23:26 GMT -5
He's a weeny whiner. Good riddance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2016 21:25:44 GMT -5
He's a weeny whiner. Good riddance. he really is. but he is also sitting on about $20M of whiney money. i don't have any guesses about what he will do. he seems really angry about Trump. but he is also clearly not going to win the nomination. anyone who might be persuaded to vote for him is more persuaded to vote for Rubio or Cruz. that HAS TO BE CLEAR to him now. time for him to show some dignity and class and exit.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 20, 2016 21:31:25 GMT -5
He's a weeny whiner. Good riddance. he really is. but he is also sitting on about $20M of whiney money. i don't have any guesses about what he will do. he seems really angry about Trump. but he is also clearly not going to win the nomination. anyone who might be persuaded to vote for him is more persuaded to vote for Rubio or Cruz. that HAS TO BE CLEAR to him now. time for him to show some dignity and class and exit. He has. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jeb-bush-drops-out-of-the-republican-race-for-president/ar-BBpKGZb
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2016 21:34:51 GMT -5
that is big news. now, if we can get Kasich and Carson to follow suit, we will have something to discuss on the nomination thread!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 21:37:01 GMT -5
Offer Kasich VP and I'm guessing he'll go
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 20, 2016 21:40:07 GMT -5
Carson was probably not even consciously aware there was a primary in SC today. Has anyone put a mirror under Carson's nose as of late?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 20, 2016 21:50:11 GMT -5
oh, since the prediction is on page one: Trump wins, but by less than 10% Rubio in second Cruz 3rd Kasich 4th Bush 5th- and if this happens, i PRAY that he drops out. but he probably won't Carson = last (hope he drops out too) i have to go grab a bite to eat, but this was my prediction. i later said that i thought Bush would beat Kasich by a significant amount, but that turned out to not be true. Bush is going to beat Kasich, but just by a whisker. my prediction about the magnitude of the Trump win is off by 0.3% with 97% of the vote in. Cruz and Rubio are also basically tied for 2nd. that one is too close to call, and probably will be until late tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:08:17 GMT -5
No racist symbol was removed... so I don't know what you are referring to. The Confexerate flag flying over the capital was a symbol of racism and hatred. Removing it was one act of Haley that I approve of. Otherwise she's just another RW hack. Her endorsement of Rubio sent the conservative pundit class into spasms of delight. I don't want to turn this thread into a debate about the Confederate Flag... but... you are wrong. It wasn't a symbol of racism. The point is many SC Republicans liked the flag right where it was, and they see her backing it's removal (even if it WAS racist... it's not, but ignoring our difference of opinion on that for a second) as contrary to their version of "the Party line"... so anyone "supported" by her that ACCEPTS that support would be "tainted" in their view.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:10:20 GMT -5
He's a weeny whiner. Good riddance. he really is. but he is also sitting on about $20M of whiney money. i don't have any guesses about what he will do. he seems really angry about Trump. but he is also clearly not going to win the nomination. anyone who might be persuaded to vote for him is more persuaded to vote for Rubio or Cruz. that HAS TO BE CLEAR to him now. time for him to show some dignity and class and exit.He's a Bush. I think you are aiming your expectations a wee bit high.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 22:12:39 GMT -5
Just wanted to clarify my previous post (responding to djAdvocate)... I don't think "dignity" or "class" had anything to do with that. I think it was more "recognition of futility"
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Post by Shooby on Feb 21, 2016 6:23:07 GMT -5
He has cooler things to do anyway.
And what was the " tonight i will sleep with my best friend" comment? That was just weird.
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Post by marvholly on Feb 21, 2016 6:29:47 GMT -5
that is big news. now, if we can get Kasich and Carson to follow suit, we will have something to discuss on the nomination thread! Christie should drop out too. He is nowhere.
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Post by Shooby on Feb 21, 2016 6:45:42 GMT -5
He already did. he dropped out in NH.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2016 11:53:28 GMT -5
Just wanted to clarify my previous post (responding to djAdvocate )... I don't think "dignity" or "class" had anything to do with that. I think it was more "recognition of futility" same result. he's gone. good riddance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2016 11:53:50 GMT -5
that is big news. now, if we can get Kasich and Carson to follow suit, we will have something to discuss on the nomination thread! Christie should drop out too. He is nowhere. um...Marv......Christie dropped out weeks ago......
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2016 12:00:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 12:02:02 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if Kasich goes before Ohio...
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2016 12:03:43 GMT -5
ok, this thread now becomes a discussion of the Democratic primary in SC.
the last SIX polls have Clinton up over 20%. she has not polled below 50% in SC EVER. her odds of losing are basically zero.
Sanders had her down to 18% a week ago in a couple of polls. if that had HELD, he might have been able to make it close.
it is not going to be close. Clinton might win this state by 30%.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2016 12:04:49 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if Kasich goes before Ohio... that is a very sad possibility, but understandable. the longer he stays in, the longer Dumpster Fire contends.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 21, 2016 14:57:04 GMT -5
that is a very sad possibility, but understandable. the longer he stays in, the longer Dumpster Fire contends. That's an excellent term for him. I have tried to put a dumpster fire out before. It is quite a challenge without the equipment of a fire truck, which is what the GOP needs now to extinguish the Trumpster.
However that leaves Rubio or Cruz, and the promise of renewed hostility with Iran, should one of them prevail.
when i speak, i am talking mostly from the POV of what is best for the GOP. Trump is horrible for the GOP. edit: i think that what Priebus said the other day about this subject is atrocious. he basically said "winning is everything". disgusting. that man has no principles whatsoever. Trump will destroy the party, but he would rather have Trump "win" than go after him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 15:06:57 GMT -5
Could trump be the GOP looking for a less religious non establishment? I mean the only current non establishments are insanely religious... Could it be less 'why are evangelicals choosing trump when he doesn't hold their values' and more... They aren't the values you think... Cruz said he'd win by pulling the votes of those 'evangelicals' who stayed home in previous elections... Well, record turn out in SC and Trump won evangelicals... I've read some analysis on breaking it down and it may be that 'evangelicals' is not as homogenous a group as once thought?
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2016 8:22:58 GMT -5
Could trump be the GOP looking for a less religious non establishment? I mean the only current non establishments are insanely religious... Could it be less 'why are evangelicals choosing trump when he doesn't hold their values' and more... They aren't the values you think... Cruz said he'd win by pulling the votes of those 'evangelicals' who stayed home in previous elections... Well, record turn out in SC and Trump won evangelicals... I've read some analysis on breaking it down and it may be that 'evangelicals' is not as homogenous a group as once thought? The evangelicals are totally flummoxing me.
How they could turn out for Trump - a man who was rabidly pro-choice before he wasn't, a man who cheated on at least one of his wives, a man who trades up wives like most men trade up cars, a man who couldn't name a book of the Bible, an arrogant man who is the very opposite of what Jesus admonishes his followers to be - I can't understand it. Not at all.
I have to sadly conclude what I've always suspected - Southern evangelicals are more than a little bit racist, and Trumps' loud anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic words have won them over despite all his unchristian actions.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 22, 2016 8:59:27 GMT -5
Could trump be the GOP looking for a less religious non establishment? I mean the only current non establishments are insanely religious... Could it be less 'why are evangelicals choosing trump when he doesn't hold their values' and more... They aren't the values you think... Cruz said he'd win by pulling the votes of those 'evangelicals' who stayed home in previous elections... Well, record turn out in SC and Trump won evangelicals... I've read some analysis on breaking it down and it may be that 'evangelicals' is not as homogenous a group as once thought? The evangelicals are totally flummoxing me.
How they could turn out for Trump - a man who was rabidly pro-choice before he wasn't, a man who cheated on at least one of his wives, a man who trades up wives like most men trade up cars, a man who couldn't name a book of the Bible, an arrogant man who is the very opposite of what Jesus admonishes his followers to be - I can't understand it. Not at all.
I have to sadly conclude what I've always suspected - Southern evangelicals are more than a little bit racist, and Trumps' loud anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic words have won them over despite all his unchristian actions.
I don't see it as a uniquely Southern issue with the evangelicals. I see it across the country along with being a minimal education issue for many of His followers. ETA: An evangelical Facebook 'friend' of mine last night posted two "Oh My God Share This News-Democrats Are Bad' stories that were easily debunked by Snopes articles about same. She mindlessly posted as true without taking the time to verify the facts of what she was posting. It was pretty pitiful and I let her know it by linking the Snopes articles to her posts debunking her garbage.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2016 9:10:48 GMT -5
The evangelicals are totally flummoxing me.
How they could turn out for Trump - a man who was rabidly pro-choice before he wasn't, a man who cheated on at least one of his wives, a man who trades up wives like most men trade up cars, a man who couldn't name a book of the Bible, an arrogant man who is the very opposite of what Jesus admonishes his followers to be - I can't understand it. Not at all.
I have to sadly conclude what I've always suspected - Southern evangelicals are more than a little bit racist, and Trumps' loud anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic words have won them over despite all his unchristian actions.
I don't see it as a uniquely Southern issue with the evangelicals. I see it across the country along with being a minimal education issue for many of His followers. I live in the South and am most familiar with the Southern evangelicals, and I thought I would understand how they would vote in SC, but I was completely wrong.
Evangelicals throughout the rest of the country may be the same as the Southern variety, but not having lived in other areas for the last 30 years, I don't know, and don't like to make blanket statements.
My evangelical neighbors seem to be almost one issue voters - pro-life - so it was surprising to me that they would embrace someone who was so pro-choice before he was not. (This seems to be such an important issue here that even during our little local sheriff and school board races the main accusations against opponents is that they are not pro-life. Around here, if you're a dem, you're automatically lumped in with the pro-choice crowd, even if you publically state you are pro-life. This is why we end up with about six GOP candidates running against 1 dem (if we can even scrape up one dem). It's always a race between different GOP candidates.
I figured Cruz or Rubio had better religious appeal, and definitely Carson would, but Trump is about as non--religious as a brash New Yorker could be. Apparently, though, the pro-choice thing isn't off putting to his evangelical SC supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 9:36:44 GMT -5
I did read that trump won the non college educated evangelicals, but not the college educated ones... Gives more revenue to happy' theory than mine...
I've read some people say they find Trumps progression towards 'pro-life' to be heartwarming.. The path they hope the rest of the world takes...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 22, 2016 9:49:17 GMT -5
If he thought being Pro choice would win him the election he would turn around so fast his toupee would fall off. He's a brilliant marketer I will give him that.
I've read that since the Pope called him out that's made him even more popular with certain evangelical segments.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2016 11:54:27 GMT -5
I did read that trump won the non college educated evangelicals, but not the college educated ones... Gives more revenue to happy' theory than mine... I've read some people say they find Trumps progression towards 'pro-life' to be heartwarming.. The path they hope the rest of the world takes... I guess I'm much more cynical - I view it as the path one takes to become an electable GOP candidate, and one he'll promptly forsake once he either gets elected POTUS or defeated.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 22, 2016 12:07:55 GMT -5
I did read that trump won the non college educated evangelicals, but not the college educated ones... Gives more revenue to happy' theory than mine... I've read some people say they find Trumps progression towards 'pro-life' to be heartwarming.. The path they hope the rest of the world takes... I guess I'm much more cynical - I view it as the path one takes to become an electable GOP candidate, and one he'll promptly forsake once he either gets elected POTUS or defeated.
i find his positions utterly unreliable. furthermore, he is subject to what i call "magical thinking", which is terrifying in a POTUS candidate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 12:17:40 GMT -5
Could trump be the GOP looking for a less religious non establishment? I mean the only current non establishments are insanely religious... Could it be less 'why are evangelicals choosing trump when he doesn't hold their values' and more... They aren't the values you think... Cruz said he'd win by pulling the votes of those 'evangelicals' who stayed home in previous elections... Well, record turn out in SC and Trump won evangelicals... I've read some analysis on breaking it down and it may be that 'evangelicals' is not as homogenous a group as once thought? I have religious in-laws from the midwest, who are huge Trump supporters. It took me a while to reconcile it, but I came to the same conclusion as Happyhoix, it is the anti immigrant vote, both Muslim and Hispanic. If facebook is any indication, he is also doing best with the dimmer section of the party. All very frustrating.
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Post by happyhoix on Feb 22, 2016 16:27:56 GMT -5
Could trump be the GOP looking for a less religious non establishment? I mean the only current non establishments are insanely religious... Could it be less 'why are evangelicals choosing trump when he doesn't hold their values' and more... They aren't the values you think... Cruz said he'd win by pulling the votes of those 'evangelicals' who stayed home in previous elections... Well, record turn out in SC and Trump won evangelicals... I've read some analysis on breaking it down and it may be that 'evangelicals' is not as homogenous a group as once thought? I have religious in-laws from the midwest, who are huge Trump supporters. It took me a while to reconcile it, but I came to the same conclusion as Happyhoix, it is the anti immigrant vote, both Muslim and Hispanic. If facebook is any indication, he is also doing best with the dimmer section of the party. All very frustrating. I heard a theory this morning, which fits with what someone else said about the college educated evangelicals going away from Trump while the ones without a higher education going to for him - blue collar workers are buying Trump's claim (with no facts or solid plan to back it up) that he will 'fix' the trade deficient and restore jobs to America. Some of what DP calls 'magical thinking.'
The blue collar segment of SC has been hit hard since the recession and hasn't seen a lot of blue collar jobs come back to the state. Not enough to replace what they lost, anyway. What Trump is proposing sounds like a trade war, to me, but if I was a blue collar worker who had been unemployed or under employed for years and along comes some guy who claims he has all the answers to kick out the illegal workers and make us all rich I might grasp at that straw, too, even if the guy didn't seem to fit my religious standards.
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