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Post by mmhmm on Feb 22, 2019 18:50:44 GMT -5
Do it! If I go anywhere it will be Charlotte. The position is in Harrisburg which is a 30 minutes drive to Charlotte. I was looking at home prices in Harrisburg and I can get double the house (4-5 bedrooms) for half the price 😱😱😱. I texted DW about it... Harrisburg is a suburb of Charlotte and is a really nice town. I think you guys might like it there. Charlotte offers lots to do and see and you're not that far from the mountains to the west and the ocean to the east. Perhaps, you could take a weekend (if you ever have a weekend) and pop down to check out the area.
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Post by flutterby on Feb 23, 2019 8:28:09 GMT -5
Sigh...so you all might remember about two months ago I had an interview at an agency where I had previously turned down a position. I didn't get the job. They relisted it, the exact same posting for what sounded like exact same job. I figured what the heck, might as well apply. It turns out they have two positions open. I did the skills test and must have done fine as the guy called yesterday to set up an interview. This is awkward. It's for the same job, so with the exact same people, probably asking the exact same questions. They obviously didn't want me the first time, so now I'm forcing us all to go through this again. (HR rates applicants on a point system, so the interviewers just get the list of who made it, they don't get to choose them themselves.) I'm guessing they wouldn't have asked me to interview if they had a choice.
On the one hand, it's a bit disheartening and I'm kind of dreading it. On the other hand, I really felt like it was just the controller who was being difficult and the others seemed very receptive toward me. And dangit, I want that commute! And also, I'm really good at my job and know I'd do well there.
The interview is Thursday. At least I'll know what questions they'll ask! If I don't get it this time, I'm giving up at anything at this agency.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 23, 2019 9:14:33 GMT -5
Sigh...so you all might remember about two months ago I had an interview at an agency where I had previously turned down a position. I didn't get the job. They relisted it, the exact same posting for what sounded like exact same job. I figured what the heck, might as well apply. It turns out they have two positions open. I did the skills test and must have done fine as the guy called yesterday to set up an interview. This is awkward. It's for the same job, so with the exact same people, probably asking the exact same questions. They obviously didn't want me the first time, so now I'm forcing us all to go through this again. (HR rates applicants on a point system, so the interviewers just get the list of who made it, they don't get to choose them themselves.) I'm guessing they wouldn't have asked me to interview if they had a choice.
On the one hand, it's a bit disheartening and I'm kind of dreading it. On the other hand, I really felt like it was just the controller who was being difficult and the others seemed very receptive toward me. And dangit, I want that commute! And also, I'm really good at my job and know I'd do well there.
The interview is Thursday. At least I'll know what questions they'll ask! If I don't get it this time, I'm giving up at anything at this agency. Do it. Nothing ventured...
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Post by buystoys on Feb 23, 2019 9:39:02 GMT -5
Sigh...so you all might remember about two months ago I had an interview at an agency where I had previously turned down a position. I didn't get the job. They relisted it, the exact same posting for what sounded like exact same job. I figured what the heck, might as well apply. It turns out they have two positions open. I did the skills test and must have done fine as the guy called yesterday to set up an interview. This is awkward. It's for the same job, so with the exact same people, probably asking the exact same questions. They obviously didn't want me the first time, so now I'm forcing us all to go through this again. (HR rates applicants on a point system, so the interviewers just get the list of who made it, they don't get to choose them themselves.) I'm guessing they wouldn't have asked me to interview if they had a choice.
On the one hand, it's a bit disheartening and I'm kind of dreading it. On the other hand, I really felt like it was just the controller who was being difficult and the others seemed very receptive toward me. And dangit, I want that commute! And also, I'm really good at my job and know I'd do well there.
The interview is Thursday. At least I'll know what questions they'll ask! If I don't get it this time, I'm giving up at anything at this agency. If the position is open again, you may just be the person they're looking for. Whatever gave the other candidate points last time may be a detriment this time.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 23, 2019 10:01:45 GMT -5
good luck flutterby!
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2019 10:10:23 GMT -5
They may just want to be reassured that you really want that position, and going through the process again will show them that you are serious about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 10:16:32 GMT -5
flutterby, I interviewed with the same principal two separate times. He said to me the second time, "I know we have met before." I simply said, "Yes, I don't hold it against you that you didn't hire me last time." We both laughed, and I got the job. Play it that way, even just in your head, and you will do fine. Don't hold it against them. Be upbeat and professional, and you will do fine.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 23, 2019 10:34:39 GMT -5
Great advice, Susana!
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Post by finnime on Feb 23, 2019 11:45:27 GMT -5
Good luck this time, flutterby. It could be the timing just works perfectly for them to hire you now.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 23, 2019 11:59:22 GMT -5
ok - so I would like some perspectives on my job. I will stop calling it newjob as as oldjob is just old now..... So - it's been a really great step up for me, and although I did have some impostor/worries/insecurities, I've done and am doing a great job (3 month review was stellar!) and am just what they needed. I always thought I knew everything I needed to in order to take the next 2-3 steps up, and I was right . I feel so vindicated on many levels and so happy and grateful that I had this chance - that, let's be honest - just fell out of the sky and into my lap. I would have pulled up stakes and moved anywhere in the country for this opportunity, and it was just so easy that it was local. But...... I'm not sure where this organization is going, there is a superlot of organizational churn and change. Of course that is where opportunity is found so I have been going with it. But it is also where organizations can crash and burn. My boss (who sought me out for my job) just told me that she was the #2 person in interviewing with a really big-name employer in our field. I was very surprised. She's in a new (leadership/leadership adjacent) promotion for less than a year. I think the churn/change/issues are getting to her. Now I need to think about what that means for me. In spite of all the churning, I've felt relatively secure and protected with her as my boss. My job currently is impossible, and she knows that and is/has been instrumental in pushing through additional FTEs in my team. I've been hanging on (sometimes by that proverbial thread!) with complete confidence that she understands the work needs doing and the staffing needs to do it. But if she is considering leaving - I'm not sure what that will mean for me. Things have been so in flux that the bulletpoints on my resume from this job are already really good. I feel very accomplished and have been propelled forward professionally to a great extent. But I've also only been here 4 months! How long do I need to hold this position to look elsewhere? I feel that any attempt to leave prior to the 2-year mark would/could be seen as I took a big step up and am trying to bail because I'm failing. I don't want to leave, but boss' disclosure has my confidence in both my position and the organization in question. I certainly don't plan to begin a search, but I do want to be prepared in case I do need to. I've been working on the resume over the past month or so anyway, in part just to comfort myself that this was a good move for me. Aside from the money (which I would have been ok anyway with old job + that teaching I turned down) I am just super exhausted, getting in early/working late almost every single day, twice the travel as previous, and wondering if I can ever take that vacay I been putting off since 2013..... I don't think I can realistically take on any teaching anymore. Am I being too reactionary? How worried would you be?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 23, 2019 12:04:40 GMT -5
Sigh...so you all might remember about two months ago I had an interview at an agency where I had previously turned down a position. I didn't get the job. They relisted it, the exact same posting for what sounded like exact same job. I figured what the heck, might as well apply. It turns out they have two positions open. I did the skills test and must have done fine as the guy called yesterday to set up an interview. This is awkward. It's for the same job, so with the exact same people, probably asking the exact same questions. They obviously didn't want me the first time, so now I'm forcing us all to go through this again. (HR rates applicants on a point system, so the interviewers just get the list of who made it, they don't get to choose them themselves.) I'm guessing they wouldn't have asked me to interview if they had a choice.
On the one hand, it's a bit disheartening and I'm kind of dreading it. On the other hand, I really felt like it was just the controller who was being difficult and the others seemed very receptive toward me. And dangit, I want that commute! And also, I'm really good at my job and know I'd do well there.
The interview is Thursday. At least I'll know what questions they'll ask! If I don't get it this time, I'm giving up at anything at this agency. I applaud you for giving it another go. I hope you get the job.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 23, 2019 12:10:28 GMT -5
I'm having an awkward situation with my temp job. There were 2 permanent positions in different departments that I was interested in. They aren't perfect matches, but I had elements for each. (I know HR people like to find perfect experience matches, but good luck with that.) So, I went through my recruiter, as my onboarding paperwork led me to believe that is how I was to approach these things. Well, after some conversations, apparently I'm supposed to talk with the supervisor of the department I'm temping for. She wants to keep me, but it's not a permanent positions yet, and really lower level than I want to do permanently. Plus, nothing I want to do long term. I was just going to let it go and continue to look outside this company, but now the temp agency is advertising for one of the positions. Not sure how to approach this. I'm not good at these conversations. I don't hate doing what I'm doing (so far), I really like the people, but doing this is a huge step back with little to no benefit to the direction I wanted to go in my career. Also, I hate being temp status for this company, as I see how much more they invest in their permanent employees. It makes me really feel like nobody.
One problem is that as a temp, they need to pay extra to hire me on permanently in any job for at least a year or 2.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 23, 2019 12:15:16 GMT -5
ok - so I would like some perspectives on my job. I will stop calling it newjob as as oldjob is just old now..... So - it's been a really great step up for me, and although I did have some impostor/worries/insecurities, I've done and am doing a great job (3 month review was stellar!) and am just what they needed. I always thought I knew everything I needed to in order to take the next 2-3 steps up, and I was right . I feel so vindicated on many levels and so happy and grateful that I had this chance - that, let's be honest - just fell out of the sky and into my lap. I would have pulled up stakes and moved anywhere in the country for this opportunity, and it was just so easy that it was local. But...... I'm not sure where this organization is going, there is a superlot of organizational churn and change. Of course that is where opportunity is found so I have been going with it. But it is also where organizations can crash and burn. My boss (who sought me out for my job) just told me that she was the #2 person in interviewing with a really big-name employer in our field. I was very surprised. She's in a new (leadership/leadership adjacent) promotion for less than a year. I think the churn/change/issues are getting to her. Now I need to think about what that means for me. In spite of all the churning, I've felt relatively secure and protected with her as my boss. My job currently is impossible, and she knows that and is/has been instrumental in pushing through additional FTEs in my team. I've been hanging on (sometimes by that proverbial thread!) with complete confidence that she understands the work needs doing and the staffing needs to do it. But if she is considering leaving - I'm not sure what that will mean for me. Things have been so in flux that the bulletpoints on my resume from this job are already really good. I feel very accomplished and have been propelled forward professionally to a great extent. But I've also only been here 4 months! How long do I need to hold this position to look elsewhere? I feel that any attempt to leave prior to the 2-year mark would/could be seen as I took a big step up and am trying to bail because I'm failing. I don't want to leave, but boss' disclosure has my confidence in both my position and the organization in question. I certainly don't plan to begin a search, but I do want to be prepared in case I do need to. I've been working on the resume over the past month or so anyway, in part just to comfort myself that this was a good move for me. Aside from the money (which I would have been ok anyway with old job + that teaching I turned down) I am just super exhausted, getting in early/working late almost every single day, twice the travel as previous, and wondering if I can ever take that vacay I been putting off since 2013..... I don't think I can realistically take on any teaching anymore. Am I being too reactionary? How worried would you be? I've only worked in K-12 public education, so I'm limited on private sector knowledge. However, less than two years with one organization is a huge red flag. Two considerations for the current job: How serious are they about adding staff to make the workload reasonable? If it looks like they're actually going to do that, I'd wait it out to see how that goes. If they're refusing to add staff, then I'd be concerned which leads me to my next question. How much control do you have over dictating the work you do? For example, to do my current job well, it's at least a 2.0FTE. I have to accept that I cannot do all of it at a high level. My supervisor and I determine what the priorities are. I execute those priorities at a high level; the rest I do at a decent level.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 23, 2019 12:18:13 GMT -5
flutterby , I interviewed with the same principal two separate times. He said to me the second time, "I know we have met before." I simply said, "Yes, I don't hold it against you that you didn't hire me last time." We both laughed, and I got the job. Play it that way, even just in your head, and you will do fine. Don't hold it against them. Be upbeat and professional, and you will do fine. Agree 100%. You're on such uneven footing as the interviewee. Maybe the last position went to an internal candidate, or a relative, or who knows. Sometimes you have a couple of great candidates for 1 job and you have to choose. But it doesn't mean that you wouldn't be happy to hire the other applicant if you could.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 23, 2019 12:34:59 GMT -5
ok - so I would like some perspectives on my job. I will stop calling it newjob as as oldjob is just old now..... So - it's been a really great step up for me, and although I did have some impostor/worries/insecurities, I've done and am doing a great job (3 month review was stellar!) and am just what they needed. I always thought I knew everything I needed to in order to take the next 2-3 steps up, and I was right . I feel so vindicated on many levels and so happy and grateful that I had this chance - that, let's be honest - just fell out of the sky and into my lap. I would have pulled up stakes and moved anywhere in the country for this opportunity, and it was just so easy that it was local. But...... I'm not sure where this organization is going, there is a superlot of organizational churn and change. Of course that is where opportunity is found so I have been going with it. But it is also where organizations can crash and burn. My boss (who sought me out for my job) just told me that she was the #2 person in interviewing with a really big-name employer in our field. I was very surprised. She's in a new (leadership/leadership adjacent) promotion for less than a year. I think the churn/change/issues are getting to her. Now I need to think about what that means for me. In spite of all the churning, I've felt relatively secure and protected with her as my boss. My job currently is impossible, and she knows that and is/has been instrumental in pushing through additional FTEs in my team. I've been hanging on (sometimes by that proverbial thread!) with complete confidence that she understands the work needs doing and the staffing needs to do it. But if she is considering leaving - I'm not sure what that will mean for me. Things have been so in flux that the bulletpoints on my resume from this job are already really good. I feel very accomplished and have been propelled forward professionally to a great extent. But I've also only been here 4 months! How long do I need to hold this position to look elsewhere? I feel that any attempt to leave prior to the 2-year mark would/could be seen as I took a big step up and am trying to bail because I'm failing. I don't want to leave, but boss' disclosure has my confidence in both my position and the organization in question. I certainly don't plan to begin a search, but I do want to be prepared in case I do need to. I've been working on the resume over the past month or so anyway, in part just to comfort myself that this was a good move for me. Aside from the money (which I would have been ok anyway with old job + that teaching I turned down) I am just super exhausted, getting in early/working late almost every single day, twice the travel as previous, and wondering if I can ever take that vacay I been putting off since 2013..... I don't think I can realistically take on any teaching anymore. Am I being too reactionary? How worried would you be? I've only worked in K-12 public education, so I'm limited on private sector knowledge. However, less than two years with one organization is a huge red flag. Two considerations for the current job: How serious are they about adding staff to make the workload reasonable? If it looks like they're actually going to do that, I'd wait it out to see how that goes. If they're refusing to add staff, then I'd be concerned which leads me to my next question. How much control do you have over dictating the work you do? For example, to do my current job well, it's at least a 2.0FTE. I have to accept that I cannot do all of it at a high level. My supervisor and I determine what the priorities are. I execute those priorities at a high level; the rest I do at a decent level. I'm going to disagree a bit on the less than 2 years with 1 organization because of the context. Rukh was at her last job for 10+ years I think? Or at least several years. Stability like that gives you the option to bail on a place faster if it doesn't end up being the right fit. If she were thinking to bail right away she could leave this off her resume, although it doesn't sound like it's to that level yet. After 1 job hop you have to be a lot more cautious of the next one. I've seen resumes that have have 1 long term employer, but its 4-5 down on the list of jobs with 1-2 year histories. (Layoffs are more common in my industry than I'm guessing most). That is when I start to feel bad for people and I know they're going to struggle.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 23, 2019 12:55:15 GMT -5
ok - so I would like some perspectives on my job. I will stop calling it newjob as as oldjob is just old now..... So - it's been a really great step up for me, and although I did have some impostor/worries/insecurities, I've done and am doing a great job (3 month review was stellar!) and am just what they needed. I always thought I knew everything I needed to in order to take the next 2-3 steps up, and I was right . I feel so vindicated on many levels and so happy and grateful that I had this chance - that, let's be honest - just fell out of the sky and into my lap. I would have pulled up stakes and moved anywhere in the country for this opportunity, and it was just so easy that it was local. But...... I'm not sure where this organization is going, there is a superlot of organizational churn and change. Of course that is where opportunity is found so I have been going with it. But it is also where organizations can crash and burn. My boss (who sought me out for my job) just told me that she was the #2 person in interviewing with a really big-name employer in our field. I was very surprised. She's in a new (leadership/leadership adjacent) promotion for less than a year. I think the churn/change/issues are getting to her. Now I need to think about what that means for me. In spite of all the churning, I've felt relatively secure and protected with her as my boss. My job currently is impossible, and she knows that and is/has been instrumental in pushing through additional FTEs in my team. I've been hanging on (sometimes by that proverbial thread!) with complete confidence that she understands the work needs doing and the staffing needs to do it. But if she is considering leaving - I'm not sure what that will mean for me. Things have been so in flux that the bulletpoints on my resume from this job are already really good. I feel very accomplished and have been propelled forward professionally to a great extent. But I've also only been here 4 months! How long do I need to hold this position to look elsewhere? I feel that any attempt to leave prior to the 2-year mark would/could be seen as I took a big step up and am trying to bail because I'm failing. I don't want to leave, but boss' disclosure has my confidence in both my position and the organization in question. I certainly don't plan to begin a search, but I do want to be prepared in case I do need to. I've been working on the resume over the past month or so anyway, in part just to comfort myself that this was a good move for me. Aside from the money (which I would have been ok anyway with old job + that teaching I turned down) I am just super exhausted, getting in early/working late almost every single day, twice the travel as previous, and wondering if I can ever take that vacay I been putting off since 2013..... I don't think I can realistically take on any teaching anymore. Am I being too reactionary? How worried would you be? I've only worked in K-12 public education, so I'm limited on private sector knowledge. However, less than two years with one organization is a huge red flag. Two considerations for the current job: How serious are they about adding staff to make the workload reasonable? If it looks like they're actually going to do that, I'd wait it out to see how that goes. If they're refusing to add staff, then I'd be concerned which leads me to my next question. How much control do you have over dictating the work you do? For example, to do my current job well, it's at least a 2.0FTE. I have to accept that I cannot do all of it at a high level. My supervisor and I determine what the priorities are. I execute those priorities at a high level; the rest I do at a decent level. These are really good points. As usually - I am trying to do a completely stellar job on absolutely everything and that is just not going to be sustainable - even with proper staffing. There is a lot more latitude in acceptable quality in an in-house position vs a consulting role where one false move and they may look for a different vendor. I've been thinking on this and trying to adapt - in some ways, successfully dialing it back a little. While I can hang on under a lot of miserable conditions, I want to make sure that what I'm doing is good work, that does creit to me in my profession. I also have worries about the entire job/division (maybe even the organization!) suddenly going *poof* for some reasons. Or a new broom cleaning house, importing their own, etc. and while the org goes on, I'm just out. Maybe that is too extreme of a fear? Maybe I just need to deal with some level of that uncertainty as a component of any job? Maybe a little more so in this one? DD mentioned that now that I've moved up, even if this job goes poof for any reason, that I will never go back. I don't think that's completely true! But I do hope I don't ever slide to far back.....
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 23, 2019 13:37:43 GMT -5
I've only worked in K-12 public education, so I'm limited on private sector knowledge. However, less than two years with one organization is a huge red flag. Two considerations for the current job: How serious are they about adding staff to make the workload reasonable? If it looks like they're actually going to do that, I'd wait it out to see how that goes. If they're refusing to add staff, then I'd be concerned which leads me to my next question. How much control do you have over dictating the work you do? For example, to do my current job well, it's at least a 2.0FTE. I have to accept that I cannot do all of it at a high level. My supervisor and I determine what the priorities are. I execute those priorities at a high level; the rest I do at a decent level. I'm going to disagree a bit on the less than 2 years with 1 organization because of the context. Rukh was at her last job for 10+ years I think? Or at least several years. Stability like that gives you the option to bail on a place faster if it doesn't end up being the right fit. If she were thinking to bail right away she could leave this off her resume, although it doesn't sound like it's to that level yet. After 1 job hop you have to be a lot more cautious of the next one. I've seen resumes that have have 1 long term employer, but its 4-5 down on the list of jobs with 1-2 year histories. (Layoffs are more common in my industry than I'm guessing most). That is when I start to feel bad for people and I know they're going to struggle. Thanks, I was 12 years in last role, although the small company was bought so on resume it is 6 years one, 8 years the other. Not sure if i should try to tie that together? Still I think ok. So since my masters - I have jobs of 2.5 years, 4 years, 6 years, 8 years on resume. I am more concerned about being seen as successful in my current role (rather than a job hopper) so I don't slide back title and responsibility-wise. This was a pretty big step up, more than I even realized and I don't want to underplay how thankful I am that I got this chance. I was also planning to lobby for a big pay increase in my year-end evaluation as the responsibilities for this position are just escalating every time I turn around! My <current> boss knows what I walked into and what I've done so far (and hope to complete by year end!). New person would just see the job as they walked in, not how I've really shaped it. One thing that is easy to document is I walked into a staff of 3, will be 5 by end of March, and the plan is to add 3/4 more by end of year for a total of 8-9. I guess I shouldn't get too anxious about all this and over think what if this and what if that. I need to focus on what I am getting professionally out of this, and maybe let a few less crucial things slide/slip through the cracks if staffing doesn't keep up with work. This job may not last forever, so I need to plan around that, keep my resume updated, do what I know I need to do to be competitive in any future job search/entrepreneurial escapades (i.e. lack of publication is my Achilles heal, and I've been too overwhelmed to really even think about it, let alone work on it.) And focus on my goals of catching up with household maintenance issues and getting together a good EF. Plus living my best life stuffies! That's really all any of us can do, right? I'm going to try to make myself feel better (more secure) by looking at my retirement savings totals......
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 23, 2019 18:13:39 GMT -5
M ok - so I would like some perspectives on my job. I will stop calling it newjob as as oldjob is just old now..... So - it's been a really great step up for me, and although I did have some impostor/worries/insecurities, I've done and am doing a great job (3 month review was stellar!) and am just what they needed. I always thought I knew everything I needed to in order to take the next 2-3 steps up, and I was right . I feel so vindicated on many levels and so happy and grateful that I had this chance - that, let's be honest - just fell out of the sky and into my lap. I would have pulled up stakes and moved anywhere in the country for this opportunity, and it was just so easy that it was local. But...... I'm not sure where this organization is going, there is a superlot of organizational churn and change. Of course that is where opportunity is found so I have been going with it. But it is also where organizations can crash and burn. My boss (who sought me out for my job) just told me that she was the #2 person in interviewing with a really big-name employer in our field. I was very surprised. She's in a new (leadership/leadership adjacent) promotion for less than a year. I think the churn/change/issues are getting to her. Now I need to think about what that means for me. In spite of all the churning, I've felt relatively secure and protected with her as my boss. My job currently is impossible, and she knows that and is/has been instrumental in pushing through additional FTEs in my team. I've been hanging on (sometimes by that proverbial thread!) with complete confidence that she understands the work needs doing and the staffing needs to do it. But if she is considering leaving - I'm not sure what that will mean for me. Things have been so in flux that the bulletpoints on my resume from this job are already really good. I feel very accomplished and have been propelled forward professionally to a great extent. But I've also only been here 4 months! How long do I need to hold this position to look elsewhere? I feel that any attempt to leave prior to the 2-year mark would/could be seen as I took a big step up and am trying to bail because I'm failing. I don't want to leave, but boss' disclosure has my confidence in both my position and the organization in question. I certainly don't plan to begin a search, but I do want to be prepared in case I do need to. I've been working on the resume over the past month or so anyway, in part just to comfort myself that this was a good move for me. Aside from the money (which I would have been ok anyway with old job + that teaching I turned down) I am just super exhausted, getting in early/working late almost every single day, twice the travel as previous, and wondering if I can ever take that vacay I been putting off since 2013..... I don't think I can realistically take on any teaching anymore. Am I being too reactionary? How worried would you be? My field has been a lot more chaotic than yours so take what I say with a grain of salt, but what I do is I keep one ear to the ground while at the same time polishing up my resume and "looking". I've never really stopped "looking" since 2015. I am not currently sending out applications or interviewing but I like to know what is out there. Right now I've browsed a few times to see what there is in my area for my new skills. That way I have an idea and ::knock on wood:: can hit the ground running if I have to. Nothing wrong with exploring your job market. Only person who will ever have your back completely is you.
Updating the resume is a good exercise anyhow because it prompts you to remember things you may have forgotten that you can use to toot your horn at review time or another interview. My timeline personally for when I feel a job is working out or not is about six months. At that point I've gotten the basics down and I'm starting to feel comfortable in my role and with the people I work with. If I am still feeling odd by that point it may be time to start considering my options.
You were with your last employer for over a decade so that proves you are not a serial job hopper. I also do not think there is anything wrong with finding out a job is not a good fit for you, if that is the case.
I've hopped twice. Both jobs lasted only three months. One in 2015 and again in 2017. I would have preferred not to do so close together but shit happens. I do plan on staying put at my current job for as long as they will have me to put more distance between me and the last short term job. On the other hand DH outright quit two jobs within a month of each other yet somehow managed to land in the job he has today. So who the hell knows.
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Post by flutterby on Feb 24, 2019 7:50:12 GMT -5
I'm having an awkward situation with my temp job. There were 2 permanent positions in different departments that I was interested in. They aren't perfect matches, but I had elements for each. (I know HR people like to find perfect experience matches, but good luck with that.) So, I went through my recruiter, as my onboarding paperwork led me to believe that is how I was to approach these things. Well, after some conversations, apparently I'm supposed to talk with the supervisor of the department I'm temping for. She wants to keep me, but it's not a permanent positions yet, and really lower level than I want to do permanently. Plus, nothing I want to do long term. I was just going to let it go and continue to look outside this company, but now the temp agency is advertising for one of the positions. Not sure how to approach this. I'm not good at these conversations. I don't hate doing what I'm doing (so far), I really like the people, but doing this is a huge step back with little to no benefit to the direction I wanted to go in my career. Also, I hate being temp status for this company, as I see how much more they invest in their permanent employees. It makes me really feel like nobody. One problem is that as a temp, they need to pay extra to hire me on permanently in any job for at least a year or 2. I feel for you. I had a temp job when I started back in the workforce after being a SAHM for many years. It gave me recent experience I needed, but I hated feeling like the red-headed stepchild as a temp when everyone else was a permanent employee. Are you temping to get recent experience that you can use as a stepping stone elsewhere? Do you want to get a permanent position at this particular company? Can you ask your supervisor about positions in other departments/under other supervisors and phrase it like "I like working for this company and want to continue, but I need something more permanent. I see there's an opening in XYZ department. I think I'd be a good fit for that and would like to apply. Should I go speak to that supervisor?"
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Post by flutterby on Feb 24, 2019 7:52:57 GMT -5
The next burning question: Can I get away with wearing the exact same interview outfit as last time? It was nearly two months ago. They won't remember what I wore, right?
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Post by alabamagal on Feb 24, 2019 9:17:43 GMT -5
The next burning question: Can I get away with wearing the exact same interview outfit as last time? It was nearly two months ago. They won't remember what I wore, right? They will only remember the previous interview outfit if it was wildly inappropriate.
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Post by geenamercile on Feb 24, 2019 9:23:57 GMT -5
I think it depends on how much you want them to remember the last interview. Seeing you in the same outfit may trigger more of a memory recall then just you in a different outfit. As far as it being okay, yes I think it would is fine.
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Post by Lizard Queen on Feb 24, 2019 13:14:19 GMT -5
I'm having an awkward situation with my temp job. There were 2 permanent positions in different departments that I was interested in. They aren't perfect matches, but I had elements for each. (I know HR people like to find perfect experience matches, but good luck with that.) So, I went through my recruiter, as my onboarding paperwork led me to believe that is how I was to approach these things. Well, after some conversations, apparently I'm supposed to talk with the supervisor of the department I'm temping for. She wants to keep me, but it's not a permanent positions yet, and really lower level than I want to do permanently. Plus, nothing I want to do long term. I was just going to let it go and continue to look outside this company, but now the temp agency is advertising for one of the positions. Not sure how to approach this. I'm not good at these conversations. I don't hate doing what I'm doing (so far), I really like the people, but doing this is a huge step back with little to no benefit to the direction I wanted to go in my career. Also, I hate being temp status for this company, as I see how much more they invest in their permanent employees. It makes me really feel like nobody. One problem is that as a temp, they need to pay extra to hire me on permanently in any job for at least a year or 2. I feel for you. I had a temp job when I started back in the workforce after being a SAHM for many years. It gave me recent experience I needed, but I hated feeling like the red-headed stepchild as a temp when everyone else was a permanent employee. Are you temping to get recent experience that you can use as a stepping stone elsewhere? Do you want to get a permanent position at this particular company? Can you ask your supervisor about positions in other departments/under other supervisors and phrase it like "I like working for this company and want to continue, but I need something more permanent. I see there's an opening in XYZ department. I think I'd be a good fit for that and would like to apply. Should I go speak to that supervisor?"
Yes, it's to get recent experience. I had a 5 year gap. I wouldn't mind working for this company, I just really want a change in job focus. There are great people in this department, but I'm coming in at the bottom although I have 15 years experience in this area in a different industry. I was at a much smaller place, so I was basically this whole department, senior level, and had more higher-level tasks that I was in charge of. If I'm starting over at the bottom, I want it to be in a different area so I can expand my experience and no longer be pigeonholed into this one, narrow area (that I was never really fond of in the first place). I mean, with the different industry I do understand why I cant just jump in at the top, but the current situation is really crappy for me Thanks for the suggestion. I'll talk to my supervisor.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Feb 25, 2019 12:03:42 GMT -5
My manager's job has finally been posted. She left in mid Oct. They rewrote a bunch of it, from what I recall. I only skimmed a small portion of it and I don't think I'm even close to a good match. I'm going to spend some time reading it in detail and see what I see and feel.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 13:29:00 GMT -5
doesn't hurt to look! I went to the local UE office and got everything resolved, and the 3 weeks I'm owed should be in my account Wednesday. The ordeal of waiting in the office - specifically next to one man who is a smoker and also clearly hadn't bathed in a while - has me now resolved to make sure this never happens again, lol!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 25, 2019 15:32:18 GMT -5
doesn't hurt to look! I went to the local UE office and got everything resolved, and the 3 weeks I'm owed should be in my account Wednesday. The ordeal of waiting in the office - specifically next to one man who is a smoker and also clearly hadn't bathed in a while - has me now resolved to make sure this never happens again, lol! So....was he doing it on purpose
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 16:01:45 GMT -5
Oh, and I just got an interview request from a company closer to me. They want me to come in Wednesday or Thursday. I mean I did accept the current offer, but IMO there's nothing wrong with meeting them to see what's up! Do you agree/disagree?
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Post by swamp on Feb 25, 2019 16:03:54 GMT -5
agree.
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Post by andi9899 on Feb 25, 2019 16:04:02 GMT -5
I completely agree. Especially if the other job is closer and pays more.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 25, 2019 16:07:01 GMT -5
That is where askamanager disagree. You would likely be burning a bridge but if it's really a lot better for you, what can ya do?
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