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Post by geenamercile on Feb 25, 2019 16:08:51 GMT -5
I agree it doesn't hurt to go to the other interview and see whats up, but you could very much be burning a bridge if you took a job from them.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 16:11:40 GMT -5
That is where askamanager disagree. You would likely be burning a bridge but if it's really a lot better for you, what can ya do? I was literally just thinking this. The company I've signed on with is okay, but I wouldn't be horribly broken up about burning that bridge. The one that contacted me is more appliance/technology based and is a lot more concerned about social responsibility than the one I'm about to work for. That stuff matters to me. And if the pay is the same, the commute would be better as it's closer and south of me instead of north (most people here commute north). If it paid more, than that would be a no-brainer. So basically, I'd take the job if it paid more than the current one. But this is just an interview - no guarantees of anything! And I imagine this sort of thing happens from time to time as some employers take 2 months to hire and some take 3-4 weeks.
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Post by finnime on Feb 25, 2019 16:32:05 GMT -5
Agree.
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Post by finnime on Feb 25, 2019 16:35:36 GMT -5
It's not that unusual to get more than one good prospect in a close timeframe, because after all, you've been looking. So check it out. If it turns out this new position is the right job for you, go for it, especially since you don't have a lot of regrets about burning a bridge.
I did this once many years ago. It worked out just fine.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 25, 2019 16:38:40 GMT -5
And knowing you got one, you'll probably be super confident and interview really well!
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Post by shanendoah on Feb 25, 2019 16:44:06 GMT -5
agree
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 25, 2019 16:55:30 GMT -5
Oh, and I just got an interview request from a company closer to me. They want me to come in Wednesday or Thursday. I mean I did accept the current offer, but IMO there's nothing wrong with meeting them to see what's up! Do you agree/disagree?
I've done this and don't regret it (I guess a little different--I accepted a job offer and then instead took the counter from my job). However the manager of that other company that I had to call and rescind my acceptance from is now a pretty big wig at that company which pretty well prevents me from applying there for anything else. I'm not looking now, but if I needed a job that is definitely a company I would have been interested in. My current company was trying to recruit her for a while too which would have been fun.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 25, 2019 17:26:50 GMT -5
Oh, and I just got an interview request from a company closer to me. They want me to come in Wednesday or Thursday. I mean I did accept the current offer, but IMO there's nothing wrong with meeting them to see what's up! Do you agree/disagree?
Agree offers can fall thru for a number of reasons. Till the day I walk in the door if I get an interview I go. Better safe than sorry. It's not like I have to take it. You could burn a bridge but at the end of the day you have to look out for yourself.
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Post by steph08 on Feb 25, 2019 17:42:47 GMT -5
And my job situation just got more confusing.
Put in my resignation on Friday.
Today they let go of micromanager VP, old boss, and two other people in marketing department.
Soon after, I get a call from HR person - saying VP of HR wanted her to reach out to see what they could do to make me stay at current job, because I'm a valuable member of the team, yada yada.
Truth is - I'm the most experienced writer on the team (the other writer has been there for 2 months) and good at what I do.
Things that would make me stay - lots more $$$ (like astronomical - 30%), some sort of guarantee that I can't be let go within XX number of years (I don't even know if this is possible). I would also voice significant displeasure about the guy that was hired for a Director position that I was qualified for and never asked to interview for (micromanager wanted to bring in her own people). I have to have a conversation with my Executive VP about this (who I assume is the one who wants me to stay).
But it would be burning a huge bridge at new company.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 25, 2019 17:45:23 GMT -5
Wow steph!
Good luck!!!
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Post by chapeau on Feb 25, 2019 18:13:19 GMT -5
And my job situation just got more confusing. Put in my resignation on Friday. Today they let go of micromanager VP, old boss, and two other people in marketing department. Soon after, I get a call from HR person - saying VP of HR wanted her to reach out to see what they could do to make me stay at current job, because I'm a valuable member of the team, yada yada. Truth is - I'm the most experienced writer on the team (the other writer has been there for 2 months) and good at what I do. Things that would make me stay - lots more $$$ (like astronomical - 30%), some sort of guarantee that I can't be let go within XX number of years (I don't even know if this is possible). I would also voice significant displeasure about the guy that was hired for a Director position that I was qualified for and never asked to interview for (micromanager wanted to bring in her own people). I have to have a conversation with my Executive VP about this (who I assume is the one who wants me to stay). But it would be burning a huge bridge at new company. There's this part of me that would think "If I'm that valuable, why aren't I being treated like I am? Or are you just afraid to lose the most experienced writer on the team." But I'm cynical.
You did post how relieved you were to have gotten the resignation out of the way...
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 18:53:03 GMT -5
OMG wow, and I got a request for a phone screen from a 3rd company - closer geographically than #2 and is a supervisor level position. Why wasn't I getting all this traction weeks ago?!?!?!
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 25, 2019 19:00:43 GMT -5
I need to think more about this 3rd company. An in-person interview this week is one thing, but a phone screen is another. If I were to accept the phone screen invitation, I'd think I'd need to let them know that while I would like to learn more about the position, I'm starting with a new company next week and could we maybe discuss the position tomorrow instead of Thursday? Or should I just leave this one alone and say I'm not interested?
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Post by geenamercile on Feb 25, 2019 19:10:30 GMT -5
Take the phone screen, I always consider the probationary time at a job as a 2 way street. After that, where there is a more of a commitment and it would look really bad leaving right after the probationary time has ended, but right now have you even finished your hiring paperwork?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 25, 2019 22:15:55 GMT -5
And my job situation just got more confusing. Put in my resignation on Friday. Today they let go of micromanager VP, old boss, and two other people in marketing department. Soon after, I get a call from HR person - saying VP of HR wanted her to reach out to see what they could do to make me stay at current job, because I'm a valuable member of the team, yada yada. Truth is - I'm the most experienced writer on the team (the other writer has been there for 2 months) and good at what I do. Things that would make me stay - lots more $$$ (like astronomical - 30%), some sort of guarantee that I can't be let go within XX number of years (I don't even know if this is possible). I would also voice significant displeasure about the guy that was hired for a Director position that I was qualified for and never asked to interview for (micromanager wanted to bring in her own people). I have to have a conversation with my Executive VP about this (who I assume is the one who wants me to stay). But it would be burning a huge bridge at new company. So, in reading this post, I'm not sure it you should stay. Raise: is a 30% raise even feasible? Can't be let go: that just isn't a promise they can make to you Position you were passed over for: they can't fix this.
Are you excited about your new position? Is it a 30% pay raise from you current job?
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 25, 2019 22:19:13 GMT -5
I need to think more about this 3rd company. An in-person interview this week is one thing, but a phone screen is another. If I were to accept the phone screen invitation, I'd think I'd need to let them know that while I would like to learn more about the position, I'm starting with a new company next week and could we maybe discuss the position tomorrow instead of Thursday? Or should I just leave this one alone and say I'm not interested?
I would still take the job you just accepted. You have to protect yourself. I would definitely interview with both #2 & #3 Anything could happen between now and your start date. You have to protect yourself. And, if #3 comes about, accepting it because it's an advancement in your career as opposed to the current job you've accept being a bit of a step back would completely make sense.
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Post by steph08 on Feb 25, 2019 23:23:07 GMT -5
I don't know what's feasible or not - I have to have that conversation with the Executive VP. My new job is actually less in salary. But with a reduction in benefit cost, plus profit sharing and bonus, it will probably end up about the same. My reasons for leaving were 80% micromanager, 10% no room for advancement, 10% weird org changes. Micromanager is gone. They could technically fire new guy and give me his job. I know more about this industry than he does. I know that won't happen. Org would probably still be weird. At this point, I'm planning on leaving. But if they offer me a shit-ton of money, I will seriously consider it, especially since I have unlimited flexibility in current job as to my work location (I am at home 80% of the time).
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Feb 26, 2019 8:57:48 GMT -5
Ask to be new guys boss.
Make a good case for it. Write it up so you formalize your thinking, and then pitch it.
You've got nothing to lose.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2019 10:00:34 GMT -5
I need to think more about this 3rd company. An in-person interview this week is one thing, but a phone screen is another. If I were to accept the phone screen invitation, I'd think I'd need to let them know that while I would like to learn more about the position, I'm starting with a new company next week and could we maybe discuss the position tomorrow instead of Thursday? Or should I just leave this one alone and say I'm not interested?
I would still take the job you just accepted. You have to protect yourself. I would definitely interview with both #2 & #3 Anything could happen between now and your start date. You have to protect yourself. And, if #3 comes about, accepting it because it's an advancement in your career as opposed to the current job you've accept being a bit of a step back would completely make sense. I agree on all points. Not taking the job I was offered was never an option, just to be clear. I was questioning telling this 3rd company requesting the phone screen that I wasn't interested. In any event, my interview with company #2 is tomorrow at 12:30.
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Post by azucena on Feb 26, 2019 12:54:04 GMT -5
I would still take the job you just accepted. You have to protect yourself. I would definitely interview with both #2 & #3 Anything could happen between now and your start date. You have to protect yourself. And, if #3 comes about, accepting it because it's an advancement in your career as opposed to the current job you've accept being a bit of a step back would completely make sense. I agree on all points. Not taking the job I was offered was never an option, just to be clear. I was questioning telling this 3rd company requesting the phone screen that I wasn't interested. In any event, my interview with company #2 is tomorrow at 12:30. Can you tell company #3 that you have an offer from another company and see if they can speed up their process? I wouldn't necessarily say you've accepted the first offer because then maybe that lowers their interest.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 26, 2019 13:24:18 GMT -5
I agree on all points. Not taking the job I was offered was never an option, just to be clear. I was questioning telling this 3rd company requesting the phone screen that I wasn't interested. In any event, my interview with company #2 is tomorrow at 12:30. Can you tell company #3 that you have an offer from another company and see if they can speed up their process? I wouldn't necessarily say you've accepted the first offer because then maybe that lowers their interest. this is great - I just emailed them with it. We'll see what they say.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 26, 2019 17:57:14 GMT -5
today, I went out to lunch with my supervisor from the place I left over the summer and 7 other people that left over a few weeks right after I did. 5 of them work together at the same place, down the street from where we met up. of this group, 3 were references for me at the new place. I'm glad I went, we got to catch up on the goings-on at the old place, why I never heard back from the head of Quality last fall (she basically got a perfect candidate, and I got lost in the wind... that's fine, I wasn't over the moon about the job I was trying to ask about). my old boss had no idea I'd moved on from the train wreck, and was horrified to find out why. very glad I met up with the group today.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 27, 2019 11:03:37 GMT -5
And my job situation just got more confusing. Put in my resignation on Friday. Today they let go of micromanager VP, old boss, and two other people in marketing department. Soon after, I get a call from HR person - saying VP of HR wanted her to reach out to see what they could do to make me stay at current job, because I'm a valuable member of the team, yada yada. Truth is - I'm the most experienced writer on the team (the other writer has been there for 2 months) and good at what I do. Things that would make me stay - lots more $$$ (like astronomical - 30%), some sort of guarantee that I can't be let go within XX number of years (I don't even know if this is possible). I would also voice significant displeasure about the guy that was hired for a Director position that I was qualified for and never asked to interview for (micromanager wanted to bring in her own people). I have to have a conversation with my Executive VP about this (who I assume is the one who wants me to stay). But it would be burning a huge bridge at new company. So, in reading this post, I'm not sure it you should stay. Raise: is a 30% raise even feasible? Can't be let go: that just isn't a promise they can make to you Position you were passed over for: they can't fix this.
Are you excited about your new position? Is it a 30% pay raise from you current job?You can’t make them keep you but if they let you go they have to pay you is a solution
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Post by oped on Feb 27, 2019 11:12:04 GMT -5
So i guess i have a part time/short term job. A local private ends at 8th and friends daughter wants to go back to public next year at 7th but doesn't feel academically ready so they are pulling her now and i'm going to private tutor/home-school her for the rest of this year 4 days a week 4 hours a day.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 27, 2019 15:10:52 GMT -5
I finished up with my interview with company #2 shortly after 2. Very mixed feelings. I think I really hit it off with the hiring manager, I’ve done everything she is looking to have the candidate do, and the company culture is one I would love to be a part of. She even allows 1 WFH day per week! But.... she can’t go higher than $48k. That’s just too low for me. I’m already taking a significant pay cut for the new job from what I had at my last 2 jobs, I can’t really afford to go lower. But because it’s 12 miles from my place, it’s a reputable company with values I believe in, 1 WFH day, the medical plans seem good (company kicks in a lot of $$ if you have the high deductible HSA plan), generous PTO policy, I said I would be happy if they could make $50k work. That is still lower than my current offer but I wouldn’t have the stressful commute with later hours. Plus a WFH day?!? Yes please! She said she’d see what she could do about $50k. I really hope she comes back with good news but I’m doubtful.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 27, 2019 15:16:05 GMT -5
I finished up with my interview with company #2 shortly after 2. Very mixed feelings. I think I really hit it off with the hiring manager, I’ve done everything she is looking to have the candidate do, and the company culture is one I would love to be a part of. She even allows 1 WFH day per week! But.... she can’t go higher than $48k. That’s just too low for me. I’m already taking a significant pay cut for the new job from what I had at my last 2 jobs, I can’t really afford to go lower. But because it’s 12 miles from my place, it’s a reputable company with values I believe in, 1 WFH day, the medical plans seem good (company kicks in a lot of $$ if you have the high deductible HSA plan), generous PTO policy, I said I would be happy if they could make $50k work. That is still lower than my current offer but I wouldn’t have the stressful commute with later hours. Plus a WFH day?!? Yes please! She said she’d see what she could do about $50k. I really hope she comes back with good news but I’m doubtful. Are they kicking in money into your HSA account to pay toward medical expenses? The HSA works out well for us because our expenses are always high, but until you have cash in your HSA (or just available to spend) your first few rx can be a killer because you have to come up with full cost up to your deductible. Same for doctors appointments and such, but you can at least work out payment plans with them or stretch them out over the time of the appointment and 30 days after the bill comes. You can't get your rx until you pay the full amount.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 27, 2019 15:25:19 GMT -5
I finished up with my interview with company #2 shortly after 2. Very mixed feelings. I think I really hit it off with the hiring manager, I’ve done everything she is looking to have the candidate do, and the company culture is one I would love to be a part of. She even allows 1 WFH day per week! But.... she can’t go higher than $48k. That’s just too low for me. I’m already taking a significant pay cut for the new job from what I had at my last 2 jobs, I can’t really afford to go lower. But because it’s 12 miles from my place, it’s a reputable company with values I believe in, 1 WFH day, the medical plans seem good (company kicks in a lot of $$ if you have the high deductible HSA plan), generous PTO policy, I said I would be happy if they could make $50k work. That is still lower than my current offer but I wouldn’t have the stressful commute with later hours. Plus a WFH day?!? Yes please! She said she’d see what she could do about $50k. I really hope she comes back with good news but I’m doubtful. Are they kicking in money into your HSA account to pay toward medical expenses? The HSA works out well for us because our expenses are always high, but until you have cash in your HSA (or just available to spend) your first few rx can be a killer because you have to come up with full cost up to your deductible. Same for doctors appointments and such, but you can at least work out payment plans with them or stretch them out over the time of the appointment and 30 days after the bill comes. You can't get your rx until you pay the full amount. I believe the company puts some money into your HSA so it’s part funded by you and part by them. And any leftover funds are rolled over to the next year. This is what I was told by the hiring manager.
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Post by finnime on Feb 27, 2019 15:26:00 GMT -5
for you MJ.
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Post by geenamercile on Feb 27, 2019 16:12:32 GMT -5
I finished up with my interview with company #2 shortly after 2. Very mixed feelings. I think I really hit it off with the hiring manager, I’ve done everything she is looking to have the candidate do, and the company culture is one I would love to be a part of. She even allows 1 WFH day per week! But.... she can’t go higher than $48k. That’s just too low for me. I’m already taking a significant pay cut for the new job from what I had at my last 2 jobs, I can’t really afford to go lower. But because it’s 12 miles from my place, it’s a reputable company with values I believe in, 1 WFH day, the medical plans seem good (company kicks in a lot of $$ if you have the high deductible HSA plan), generous PTO policy, I said I would be happy if they could make $50k work. That is still lower than my current offer but I wouldn’t have the stressful commute with later hours. Plus a WFH day?!? Yes please! She said she’d see what she could do about $50k. I really hope she comes back with good news but I’m doubtful. How tight will take the paycut to 50K make your budget. How much will you save with gas between the two jobs?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Feb 27, 2019 16:42:32 GMT -5
I finished up with my interview with company #2 shortly after 2. Very mixed feelings. I think I really hit it off with the hiring manager, I’ve done everything she is looking to have the candidate do, and the company culture is one I would love to be a part of. She even allows 1 WFH day per week! But.... she can’t go higher than $48k. That’s just too low for me. I’m already taking a significant pay cut for the new job from what I had at my last 2 jobs, I can’t really afford to go lower. But because it’s 12 miles from my place, it’s a reputable company with values I believe in, 1 WFH day, the medical plans seem good (company kicks in a lot of $$ if you have the high deductible HSA plan), generous PTO policy, I said I would be happy if they could make $50k work. That is still lower than my current offer but I wouldn’t have the stressful commute with later hours. Plus a WFH day?!? Yes please! She said she’d see what she could do about $50k. I really hope she comes back with good news but I’m doubtful. How tight will take the paycut to 50K make your budget. How much will you save with gas between the two jobs? Well I know that I’ll have to pay about $2/day to shave off time and to guarantee I’ll be to work in under an hour, so that’s $10/wk - about $500/year. Also the current company is not set up to WFH during storms/bad weather (no one seems to have laptops), so there’s the intangible of me having to go in whenever the office is open. Current company is around 25 miles from me (about an hour drive) and company #2 is 12 miles/30 mins drive from me - so I’ll have to fill up at least every 5-6 days while I could probably get away with filling up every 7-8 days especially with the WFH day factored in. In a few months I will have no after school care and presumably lower rent to pay, so I can shoulder a pay cut. But I also have debt I’d like to pay down/off sooner rather than later.
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