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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 16, 2015 0:19:55 GMT -5
There's at least one poll that shows Trump with significant support for his deportation proposal: news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083115-768970-more-than-half-support-mandatory-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds.htm I said it before, and I maintain it-- Trump won the primary, and probably the election with his suggestion that we temporarily suspend muslims entering the US until we can get a handle on things. Again- on that, three quarters of the electorate agree it's wise, prudent, and long overdue. The ENTIRE establishment, every opponent, the Democrats, and the media were standing on one side with 25% of the voters; and Trump was standing alone with 75%. I think in that moment, it send a clear message: Trump is the only candidate that's serious about dealing with radical islamic extremism. The rest of the candidates, no matter what they say, will hold their fire at a time when a vast majority of Americans are ready and willing to unleash hell and do as I've been saying for years: make radical islamic terrorism, islam's problem- not ours. I haven't asked this yet. but how would something like this actually be enforced? would it be by voluntary admission of religious affiliation or by some sort of profiling that has yet to be defined? would you enlighten the rest of ys, since you seem to be all for it. sent from my electronic distraction Maybe the Muslim males will have to show their penises to the immigration officials. If they are circumcised then they must be Muslim, and then it is back to to the Middle East they go. And if family is with them, then family goes back too. That method worked well for the Germans during WWII in identifying male European Jews and their eventual demise.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2015 2:50:59 GMT -5
I haven't asked this yet. but how would something like this actually be enforced? would it be by voluntary admission of religious affiliation or by some sort of profiling that has yet to be defined? would you enlighten the rest of ys, since you seem to be all for it. sent from my electronic distraction Maybe the Muslim males will have to show their penises to the immigration officials. If they are circumcised then they must be Muslim, and then it is back to to the Middle East they go. And if family is with them, then family goes back too. That method worked well for the Germans during WWII in identifying male European Jews and their eventual demise. Ooooh Nazi references!
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2015 7:02:08 GMT -5
I didn't see any clear "winner" of the debate. They all pretty much held their own. The worst was Jeb. He seemed desperate. I guess his new strategy was to say over and over that Trump is not a "serious" candidate. Sorry Jeb. He is a savvy businessman who built a billion dollar empire. So, i think that qualifies as "serious". Good luck with that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 16, 2015 7:24:20 GMT -5
Maybe the Muslim males will have to show their penises to the immigration officials. If they are circumcised then they must be Muslim, and then it is back to to the Middle East they go. And if family is with them, then family goes back too. That method worked well for the Germans during WWII in identifying male European Jews and their eventual demise. Ooooh Nazi references! When we're dealing with a nazi style candidate...
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2015 7:26:47 GMT -5
When we're dealing with a nazi style candidate... Oh, ok. ISIS is lining up people and beheading them and putting them in mass graves but Trump is the "Nazi". Got it.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2015 7:27:17 GMT -5
When in doubt pull out the Nazi Card! Waaaaahhhh!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 16, 2015 8:13:18 GMT -5
Who is watching the debate? I am- only conclusion so far is that Christie stinks- probably his last appearance in the big show. Like how Trump referred to 'our internet' more than once. So far though quite cordial. Waiting on some fireworks. The horse race now is between Cruz and Rubio. Trump doesn't need to bother- he's got half (oh, yes- he has. They're suppressing his numbers) the support right now. It's a battle for second place- it's a battle for the ONE guy that can beat Trump, because right now if it's anything other than a two horse race, Trump wins.
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Post by chiver78 on Dec 16, 2015 8:47:44 GMT -5
I am- only conclusion so far is that Christie stinks- probably his last appearance in the big show. Like how Trump referred to 'our internet' more than once. So far though quite cordial. Waiting on some fireworks. The horse race now is between Cruz and Rubio. Trump doesn't need to bother- he's got half (oh, yes- he has. They're suppressing his numbers) the support right now. It's a battle for second place- it's a battle for the ONE guy that can beat Trump, because right now if it's anything other than a two horse race, Trump wins. ^which would be fine by me. every poll I've seen, he loses by a landslide to either Clinton or Sanders. sent from my electronic distraction
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 16, 2015 8:59:50 GMT -5
The horse race now is between Cruz and Rubio. Trump doesn't need to bother- he's got half (oh, yes- he has. They're suppressing his numbers) the support right now. It's a battle for second place- it's a battle for the ONE guy that can beat Trump, because right now if it's anything other than a two horse race, Trump wins. ^which would be fine by me. every poll I've seen, he loses by a landslide to either Clinton or Sanders. sent from my electronic distraction This is nonsense. Hillary Clinton is an incredibly weak candidate. The argument that only a weak GOP candidate can beat her is how we got Obama. The notion that we'd better the guy with 42% support from GOP primary voters and go with the three percenter who can beat Hillary is false on its face. Look, I knew Romney was going to lose. I thought he might pull off the upset, not because he was a strong candidate, but because Obama was so bad by contrast. It didn't happen, and it's easy to understand why: McCain couldn't beat Obama, and Romney couldn't beat McCain. It's easy enough to understand, and yet it confuses so many people. And look- the electorate is wide awake. The head-to-head match up poll as a political argument is dead. We heard it with McCain, we heard it for the last time with Romney. It is very clear that the strongest candidate to go up against Hillary is the candidate with the strongest support from GOP voters. Hillary is very weak, incredibly vulnerable, and barring the GOP doing something incredibly stupid (and I think they've got something up their sleeve for the convention), Trump will be the nominee, and he will beat Hillary going away. Trump is exactly-- I mean EXACTLY-- the kind of northeastern moderate to liberal Democrat candidate that the GOP has been saying we need-- so, what's the problem? He likes ethanol subsidies, he's for wasting all kinds of money on women's health issues-- what's not to love?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 16, 2015 9:01:58 GMT -5
I didn't see any clear "winner" of the debate. They all pretty much held their own. The worst was Jeb. He seemed desperate. I guess his new strategy was to say over and over that Trump is not a "serious" candidate. Sorry Jeb. He is a savvy businessman who built a billion dollar empire. So, i think that qualifies as "serious". Good luck with that. Jeb is at 3%. What's the margin of error again? Right, so that 3% is a prop up. He's at 0% and everyone knows it. To waste our time with this guy is absurd. And why'd they even bother with the kid's table? Those guys are toast. There are three candidates still in this thing: Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, and Rubio is about done.
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Post by Opti on Dec 16, 2015 9:07:10 GMT -5
ok, it looks like Donald Trump really is going to be the nominee. his numbers are up significantly in the latest NYT poll: Trump +15 Cruz +2 Carson +0 Rubio +10 Rubio slipped back to 4th. i think that Paul has his finger on the pulse of the GOP, this is pretty much what he predicted. Carson did not gain, Rubio lost in this poll. he is down to 9%. Cruz didn't gain either. he held even at 16%. so it is all Trump right now. we will have to see if the oversized crushing that is going on about his "bold immigration policy" fades under scrutiny, or whether he continues to dominate. There's at least one poll that shows Trump with significant support for his deportation proposal: news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/083115-768970-more-than-half-support-mandatory-deportation-of-illegal-immigrants-poll-finds.htm I said it before, and I maintain it-- Trump won the primary, and probably the election with his suggestion that we temporarily suspend muslims entering the US until we can get a handle on things. Again- on that, three quarters of the electorate agree it's wise, prudent, and long overdue. The ENTIRE establishment, every opponent, the Democrats, and the media were standing on one side with 25% of the voters; and Trump was standing alone with 75%. I think in that moment, it send a clear message: Trump is the only candidate that's serious about dealing with radical islamic extremism. The rest of the candidates, no matter what they say, will hold their fire at a time when a vast majority of Americans are ready and willing to unleash hell and do as I've been saying for years: make radical islamic terrorism, islam's problem- not ours. On what question you are you getting 75%? I'm not finding something that high even with just Republicans.
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-reject-trumps-muslim-ban-but-republicans-embrace-it/2015/12/14/24f1c1a0-a285-11e5-9c4e-be37f66848bb_story.html
Republicans endorse Trump’s proposal by a margin of 59 percent to 38 percent, with significant appeal across large swaths of the GOP electorate. For Republicans and GOP-leaning independents, support for Trump’s idea is especially strong among those who lack college degrees — a group that has been particularly supportive of Trump in general. Sixty-three percent of those respondents support Trump’s plan, while it falls to 44 percent among college graduates.
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Post by chiver78 on Dec 16, 2015 9:29:56 GMT -5
^which would be fine by me. every poll I've seen, he loses by a landslide to either Clinton or Sanders. sent from my electronic distraction This is nonsense. Hillary Clinton is an incredibly weak candidate. The argument that only a weak GOP candidate can beat her is how we got Obama. The notion that we'd better the guy with 42% support from GOP primary voters and go with the three percenter who can beat Hillary is false on its face. Look, I knew Romney was going to lose. I thought he might pull off the upset, not because he was a strong candidate, but because Obama was so bad by contrast. It didn't happen, and it's easy to understand why: McCain couldn't beat Obama, and Romney couldn't beat McCain. It's easy enough to understand, and yet it confuses so many people. And look- the electorate is wide awake. The head-to-head match up poll as a political argument is dead. We heard it with McCain, we heard it for the last time with Romney. It is very clear that the strongest candidate to go up against Hillary is the candidate with the strongest support from GOP voters. Hillary is very weak, incredibly vulnerable, and barring the GOP doing something incredibly stupid (and I think they've got something up their sleeve for the convention), Trump will be the nominee, and he will beat Hillary going away. Trump is exactly-- I mean EXACTLY-- the kind of northeastern moderate to liberal Democrat candidate that the GOP has been saying we need-- so, what's the problem? He likes ethanol subsidies, he's for wasting all kinds of money on women's health issues-- what's not to love? you really don't understand the math. it's not an either/or equation here. how many times have you heard people say that they vote FOR someone in a primary only to have to vote AGAINST someone else in the general election? Clinton vs Trump, Cruz, RubioClinton vs Trump, Rubio, CarsonClinton vs Trump - not a complete comparison, some states showing as undecided Sanders vs Trump, BushSanders vs TrumpSanders vs Trump
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Post by Opti on Dec 16, 2015 10:01:24 GMT -5
This is nonsense. Hillary Clinton is an incredibly weak candidate. The argument that only a weak GOP candidate can beat her is how we got Obama. The notion that we'd better the guy with 42% support from GOP primary voters and go with the three percenter who can beat Hillary is false on its face. Look, I knew Romney was going to lose. I thought he might pull off the upset, not because he was a strong candidate, but because Obama was so bad by contrast. It didn't happen, and it's easy to understand why: McCain couldn't beat Obama, and Romney couldn't beat McCain. It's easy enough to understand, and yet it confuses so many people. And look- the electorate is wide awake. The head-to-head match up poll as a political argument is dead. We heard it with McCain, we heard it for the last time with Romney. It is very clear that the strongest candidate to go up against Hillary is the candidate with the strongest support from GOP voters. Hillary is very weak, incredibly vulnerable, and barring the GOP doing something incredibly stupid (and I think they've got something up their sleeve for the convention), Trump will be the nominee, and he will beat Hillary going away. Trump is exactly-- I mean EXACTLY-- the kind of northeastern moderate to liberal Democrat candidate that the GOP has been saying we need-- so, what's the problem? He likes ethanol subsidies, he's for wasting all kinds of money on women's health issues-- what's not to love? you really don't understand the math. it's not an either/or equation here. how many times have you heard people say that they vote FOR someone in a primary only to have to vote AGAINST someone else in the general election? Clinton vs Trump, Cruz, RubioClinton vs Trump, Rubio, CarsonClinton vs Trump - not a complete comparison, some states showing as undecided Sanders vs Trump, BushSanders vs TrumpSanders vs TrumpMath, logic.
I know many people who voted against McCain simply because Palin was his VP. I think Romney had a much better showing in the GE, but I am not sure.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 16, 2015 10:40:51 GMT -5
This is nonsense. Hillary Clinton is an incredibly weak candidate. The argument that only a weak GOP candidate can beat her is how we got Obama. The notion that we'd better the guy with 42% support from GOP primary voters and go with the three percenter who can beat Hillary is false on its face. Look, I knew Romney was going to lose. I thought he might pull off the upset, not because he was a strong candidate, but because Obama was so bad by contrast. It didn't happen, and it's easy to understand why: McCain couldn't beat Obama, and Romney couldn't beat McCain. It's easy enough to understand, and yet it confuses so many people. And look- the electorate is wide awake. The head-to-head match up poll as a political argument is dead. We heard it with McCain, we heard it for the last time with Romney. It is very clear that the strongest candidate to go up against Hillary is the candidate with the strongest support from GOP voters. Hillary is very weak, incredibly vulnerable, and barring the GOP doing something incredibly stupid (and I think they've got something up their sleeve for the convention), Trump will be the nominee, and he will beat Hillary going away. Trump is exactly-- I mean EXACTLY-- the kind of northeastern moderate to liberal Democrat candidate that the GOP has been saying we need-- so, what's the problem? He likes ethanol subsidies, he's for wasting all kinds of money on women's health issues-- what's not to love? you really don't understand the math. it's not an either/or equation here. how many times have you heard people say that they vote FOR someone in a primary only to have to vote AGAINST someone else in the general election? Clinton vs Trump, Cruz, RubioClinton vs Trump, Rubio, CarsonClinton vs Trump - not a complete comparison, some states showing as undecided Sanders vs Trump, BushSanders vs TrumpSanders vs TrumpIt has been proven wrong time and again. On the one hand, you have Reagan-- 49 state landslide. On the other you have Ford- couldn't beat Carter, you have Bush 41- win as "Reagan's 3rd Term", followed by loss as himself- a RINO; You have Dole- loser. You have Bush 43- electoral squeakers. You have McCain- loser. You have Romney- loser. The fact is that every last thing they are saying about Trump, they said about Reagan. They do not understand where this country is at. Enough of the electorate is pissed off and ready to let someone kick down doors, flip over tables, and chase people with whips.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 16, 2015 11:14:05 GMT -5
Is Trump Reagan or Goldwater? I wouldn't be upset if American voters had the opportunity to let us know in the general election.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 16, 2015 15:14:01 GMT -5
I didn't see any clear "winner" of the debate. They all pretty much held their own. The worst was Jeb. He seemed desperate. I guess his new strategy was to say over and over that Trump is not a "serious" candidate. Sorry Jeb. He is a savvy businessman who built a billion dollar empire. So, i think that qualifies as "serious". Good luck with that. Jeb is at 3%. What's the margin of error again? Right, so that 3% is a prop up. He's at 0% and everyone knows it. To waste our time with this guy is absurd. And why'd they even bother with the kid's table? Those guys are toast. There are three candidates still in this thing: Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, and Rubio is about done. I like Rubio personally. I like his personality and demeanor. However, he has had 6 years to introduce serious legislation and take a tough stance on border security. Talking tough in the 11th hour doesn't cut it for me.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 16, 2015 15:56:56 GMT -5
Jeb is at 3%. What's the margin of error again? Right, so that 3% is a prop up. He's at 0% and everyone knows it. To waste our time with this guy is absurd. And why'd they even bother with the kid's table? Those guys are toast. There are three candidates still in this thing: Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, and Rubio is about done. I like Rubio personally. I like his personality and demeanor. However, he has had 6 years to introduce serious legislation and take a tough stance on border security. Talking tough in the 11th hour doesn't cut it for me. Whatever respect I had for Rubio was lost last night as he told a bald face lie about Cruz's record on immigration. He's Jeb's stand in. Not interested.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 16, 2015 19:46:42 GMT -5
I didn't see any clear "winner" of the debate. They all pretty much held their own. The worst was Jeb. He seemed desperate. I guess his new strategy was to say over and over that Trump is not a "serious" candidate. Sorry Jeb. He is a savvy businessman who built a billion dollar empire. So, i think that qualifies as "serious". Good luck with that. Jeb is at 3%. What's the margin of error again? Right, so that 3% is a prop up. He's at 0% and everyone knows it. To waste our time with this guy is absurd. And why'd they even bother with the kid's table? Those guys are toast. There are three candidates still in this thing: Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, and Rubio is about done. i am not sure he is about done, but i would agree that this last week or so has not been good for him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2015 13:22:58 GMT -5
here is the first poll that is in "non-silly season": Iowa:
Cruz +4 Trump +14 Rubio +2 Carson +5
Carson continues to plummet, shedding votes to Cruz. Rubio and Trump have basically gone nowhere in the last 6 weeks. Cruz is now at the highest polling level of any candidate during the campaign in Iowa, and up 23% in three months. he has all the momentum at this point. i am not calling this one for him, YET, but only because Trump's die-hard supporters are still with him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2015 13:30:58 GMT -5
there are two NATIONAL polls since the end of silly season, too:
Trump +17 Cruz +5 Rubio +2 Carson +5
Trump continues to extend his lead. Rubio and Carson are both falling now. this has been going on for about 2 weeks.
Cruz is drifting higher, but not as rapidly as Trump is. however, he is now out of polling error, and is alone as the 2nd tier candidate right now, with Rubio and Carson bringing up the 3rd tier.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2015 23:31:14 GMT -5
this is New Hampshire
Trump = +16 Cruz +0 Rubio +1 Christie+3
this is interesting. Trump is still way out in front, but Cruz has pulled into second. he and CHRISTIE are the only ones moving higher. everyone else is treading water.
it is hard to tell who will win this one. 75% of NH primary voters do not make their minds up until the LAST WEEK of the primary. with a 3 way tie for second, any one of these four candidates could win. even Bush (running 5th) has an outside chance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 20, 2015 23:51:19 GMT -5
Jeb is at 3%. What's the margin of error again? Right, so that 3% is a prop up. He's at 0% and everyone knows it. To waste our time with this guy is absurd. And why'd they even bother with the kid's table? Those guys are toast. There are three candidates still in this thing: Trump, Cruz, and Rubio, and Rubio is about done. I like Rubio personally. I like his personality and demeanor. he says a lot of smart things, and not many really stupid things. i respect him for that.
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Post by verrip1 on Dec 21, 2015 3:25:36 GMT -5
Maybe we should ressurect the genetic material of Ol' Tippiecanoe, William Henry Harrison, and give him his deserved chance at mucking everything up. After all, he only had about 2 fortnights in office, with those in the throes of heavy fever, before being called. Might have been a jolly good President. Let's give his testicular history a chance more than Benjamin did. GMO can be our political friend.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 21, 2015 4:29:40 GMT -5
^which would be fine by me. every poll I've seen, he loses by a landslide to either Clinton or Sanders. sent from my electronic distraction This is nonsense. Hillary Clinton is an incredibly weak candidate. The argument that only a weak GOP candidate can beat her is how we got Obama. The notion that we'd better the guy with 42% support from GOP primary voters and go with the three percenter who can beat Hillary is false on its face. Look, I knew Romney was going to lose. I thought he might pull off the upset, not because he was a strong candidate, but because Obama was so bad by contrast. It didn't happen, and it's easy to understand why: McCain couldn't beat Obama, and Romney couldn't beat McCain. It's easy enough to understand, and yet it confuses so many people. And look- the electorate is wide awake. The head-to-head match up poll as a political argument is dead. We heard it with McCain, we heard it for the last time with Romney. It is very clear that the strongest candidate to go up against Hillary is the candidate with the strongest support from GOP voters. Hillary is very weak, incredibly vulnerable, and barring the GOP doing something incredibly stupid (and I think they've got something up their sleeve for the convention), Trump will be the nominee, and he will beat Hillary going away. Trump is exactly-- I mean EXACTLY-- the kind of northeastern moderate to liberal Democrat candidate that the GOP has been saying we need-- so, what's the problem? He likes ethanol subsidies, he's for wasting all kinds of money on women's health issues-- what's not to love? Really, Paul? Money spent on womens' health is wasted money? Freudian slip or Conservative ideology?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 22:56:57 GMT -5
Trump +16 Cruz +6 Rubio +2 Carson +5 ok, this is more like it. in the latest Quinnipac Poll, Cruz is within polling error of Trump. he is +8% from three weeks ago. all other candidates FELL in this poll over the one three weeks ago with three exceptions: Trump (+1), Cruz (+8) and Christie (+4). the worst loser was Carson (-6) followed closely by Rubio (-5). Cruz is trending extremely well. he was 20% below Trump on Halloween, and he is now down 16%. if you want to cherry pick the data a bit more, he was down 24% on September 16th. again, he is not catching Trump quickly enough. yet. but this is a very encouraging poll. edit: also, Cruz is at his best level of the campaign, and a level that has only been obtained by ONE OTHER CANDIDATE this year: Carson.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 23:29:13 GMT -5
topping for Paul: if we take the bottom (5) surveys in the last month for Trump, here is what we see: Trump Cruz Rubio Carson 27 16 17 16 27 13 14 15 27 17 16 10 27 22 15 11 28 24 12 10 (today) Cruz is +8% in these (5) surveys by (4) different pollsters in the last month. Trump is +1%. Rubio is -5%. Carson is -6%. the question is: how does Cruz go higher? it looks like Carson has bottomed out at 10%, but has Rubio bottomed out at 12%, or will he go lower? NOTE: i am excluding all of the polls that show Trump above 35% for reasons expressed earlier in the thread. edit: it looks like Cruz might become the front runner to me within the next (30) days. he is within striking distance of Trump almost a month sooner than i expected.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 23:36:44 GMT -5
topping for Paul: if we take the bottom (5) surveys in the last month for Trump, here is what we see: Trump Cruz Rubio Carson 27 16 17 16 27 13 14 15 27 17 16 10 27 22 15 11 28 24 12 10 (today) Cruz is +8% in these (5) surveys by (4) different pollsters in the last month. Trump is +1%. Rubio is -5%. Carson is -6%. the question is: how does Cruz go higher? it looks like Carson has bottomed out at 10%, but has Rubio bottomed out at 12%, or will he go lower? NOTE: i am excluding all of the polls that show Trump above 35% for reasons expressed earlier in the thread. Rubio was a political suicide bomber for the GOP establishment in the last debate. His baseless attacks on Cruz's record on immigration not only exposed him as a liar, but in bringing up the topic, he lead with his own weak spot. The ONE thing Marco Rubio needs to NEVER bring up, or have looked into is the Rubio-Schumer gang of eight blanket amnesty for illegal aliens bill. My belief is that he was carrying out orders from his establishment masters-- after all, he's not there to win it. He's there to help Jeb like all the other splitters. To make matters worse for Rubio- he didn't even show up to the vote on the massive spending bill he promised to use procedural tactics to slow down. The guy would be vulnerable in ANY GOP primary contest, but this year- revolution is in the air. He's toast.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 23:39:03 GMT -5
topping for Paul: if we take the bottom (5) surveys in the last month for Trump, here is what we see: Trump Cruz Rubio Carson 27 16 17 16 27 13 14 15 27 17 16 10 27 22 15 11 28 24 12 10 (today) Cruz is +8% in these (5) surveys by (4) different pollsters in the last month. Trump is +1%. Rubio is -5%. Carson is -6%. the question is: how does Cruz go higher? it looks like Carson has bottomed out at 10%, but has Rubio bottomed out at 12%, or will he go lower? NOTE: i am excluding all of the polls that show Trump above 35% for reasons expressed earlier in the thread. Rubio was a political suicide bomber for the GOP establishment in the last debate. His baseless attacks on Cruz's record on immigration not only exposed him as a liar, but in bringing up the topic, he lead with his own weak spot. The ONE thing Marco Rubio needs to NEVER bring up, or have looked into is the Rubio-Schumer gang of eight blanket amnesty for illegal aliens bill. My belief is that he was carrying out orders from his establishment masters-- after all, he's not there to win it. He's there to help Jeb like all the other splitters. To make matters worse for Rubio- he didn't even show up to the vote on the massive spending bill he promised to use procedural tactics to slow down. The guy would be vulnerable in ANY GOP primary contest, but this year- revolution is in the air. He's toast. thanks. would you be surprised to see Rubio go to "Bush Like Levels" (ie 5%)? for the record, from what i can tell: I WOULD'NT.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 23:41:51 GMT -5
I'll tell you Cruz's plan. I can't say it'll work- but the plan is to awaken the massive sleeping evangelical vote- most of whom either haven't voted in years, or if they do vote, don't bother with the primary. Literally every Cruz rally is in a church somewhere.
Something else from the inside down here working for Cruz- I've never thought Trump would implode, but his supporters are nut jobs. They're on the attack, and it's clear their target are Cruz supporters. We have been bombarded with messages from Trump supporters, and they are nasty, vitriolic, and not the least bit persuasive. I think this is going to hurt him eventually. I get it that people are angry. I REALLY understand GOP voters having been betrayed by the establishment- but the attacks on Cruz that he's an establishment stooge? C'mon, Trumpies. Give me a break.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 23:45:31 GMT -5
I'll tell you Cruz's plan. I can't say it'll work- but the plan is to awaken the massive sleeping evangelical vote- most of whom either haven't voted in years, or if they do vote, don't bother with the primary. Literally every Cruz rally is in a church somewhere. Something else from the inside down here working for Cruz- I've never thought Trump would implode, but his supporters are nut jobs. They're on the attack, and it's clear their target are Cruz supporters. We have been bombarded with messages from Trump supporters, and they are nasty, vitriolic, and not the least bit persuasive. I think this is going to hurt him eventually. I get it that people are angry. I REALLY understand GOP voters having been betrayed by the establishment- but the attacks on Cruz that he's an establishment stooge? C'mon, Trumpies. Give me a break. they are not only nut jobs, they are really naiive, imo. they think that demagoguery and a cult of personality is going to carry him through the process without any organization, without any sponsors, and without any ground game, and i have to say that i think that is nuts- prima face nuts. now, the Trump people seem to think that this is the guy that breaks all the rules and wins- but let's have an honest moment here: TRUMP....HAS....NOT.....WON.....ANYTHING. and he is trailing in Iowa. so, let's not put the horse all the way down the end of the track past the finish line, without ever having been attached to the cart, right? edit: i think Cruz has remained cool under fire, which is really good. and i think he has handled being in the third Tier for a very long time EXTREMELY well. and i will buy your argument about him being an anti-establishment candidate, as much as a sitting Senator can be one. he has pissed off every Republican in congress at one point or another. so that is working in his favor, right now, i think. and then, there is this: www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/12/20/jeff_sessions_without_ted_cruz_amnesty_would_have_passed_in_2013.html
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