Paris: Terror Attacks

[b2r]

 According to the nationwide survey, "significant minorities embrace supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America's security and its constitutional form of government."

A majority (51 percent) of Muslims surveyed said they "should have the choice of being governed according to shariah."

Almost 30 percent of American Muslims believe it is legitimate to use violence "against those that insult the prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an, or Islamic faith."

One quarter of Muslims said that "violence against Americans here in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad."

Even more ominous, "nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country," the CSP polling data showed.

When asked "if shariah conflicts with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which law should be considered supreme?," one third of Muslim respondents said sharia.

As for their political views, 48 percent of the Muslims surveyed said they are Democrats, 19 percent are independents, and just 19 percent are Republicans.

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Read more: www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/06/poll_shows_high_levels_of_support_for_shariah_law_and_violence_among_american_muslims.html#ixzz3rU8F9ymM
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[billisonboard]

Nov 14, 2015 11:38:06 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Nov 14, 2015 10:16:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nope.
Two thirds of it, maybe.
One religion cannot be used in that description.

Exactly it. They can keep trying to tell us the square block fits in the round hole, but it's just a matter of time before the chickens come home to roost. Stay .

Nov 14, 2015 11:46:08 GMT -5 b2r said:

 According to the nationwide survey, "significant minorities embrace supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America's security and its constitutional form of government."

A majority (51 percent) of Muslims surveyed said they "should have the choice of being governed according to shariah."

Almost 30 percent of American Muslims believe it is legitimate to use violence "against those that insult the prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an, or Islamic faith."

One quarter of Muslims said that "violence against Americans here in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad."

Even more ominous, "nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country," the CSP polling data showed.

When asked "if shariah conflicts with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which law should be considered supreme?," one third of Muslim respondents said sharia.

As for their political views, 48 percent of the Muslims surveyed said they are Democrats, 19 percent are independents, and just 19 percent are Republicans.

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Read more: www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/06/poll_shows_high_levels_of_support_for_shariah_law_and_violence_among_american_muslims.html#ixzz3rU8F9ymM
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So, what Western Leaders need to be doing is to make it clear that "true" Muslim belief is violent action to get Sharia Law to govern the Western World and thus increase the percentages of Muslims who belief that and act upon it? I see that as not a good idea. YMMV

[djAdvocate]

Nov 13, 2015 23:22:32 GMT -5 Shooby said:

Nov 13, 2015 21:14:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i don't believe ANY ASPECT of the reporting, Ombud.  not this soon.

Do you believe it now?

in the details?  no.  i don't.  sorry, but i have learned that the press loves to "scoop" things, even when they got nothing.

so, how afraid are you?  really really afraid? 

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 5:04:39 GMT -5 jambo101 said:

Obviously these Islamic terrorists were out to kill as many people as possible,what i dont get is the reason for this level of evil,whats to be gained by killing a whole bunch of innocent people and getting yourselves killed in the process.
I'd love to hear from one of these extremists on what motivates them, to put it more simply =Why?

this is explored in great detail in "Dying To Win" by Pape.  i suggest you read it.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 5:37:21 GMT -5 truthbound said:

Nov 13, 2015 20:46:35 GMT -5 @donethat said:

All the news feeds are very confused and I am crying......

You should stop listening to news feeds. They don't care about facts. And why has no one in this thread or anywhere pointed out how Obama compared the attack to gun control here?

because we are ignoring the news.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

So, what Western Leaders need to be doing is to make it clear that "true" Muslim belief is violent action to get Sharia Law to govern the Western World and thus increase the percentages of Muslims who belief that and act upon it? I see that as not a good idea. YMMV

The longer they lie, the worse the situation is going to get. But that is exactly what the I.S. is counting on, FYI. Kinda like "logistics specialist" being deployed across Europe, aka, we are in stage one of Martial law across Europe.

Everyone is free to believe what they want.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 14, 2015 11:46:08 GMT -5 b2r said:

 According to the nationwide survey, "significant minorities embrace supremacist notions that could pose a threat to America's security and its constitutional form of government."

A majority (51 percent) of Muslims surveyed said they "should have the choice of being governed according to shariah."

Almost 30 percent of American Muslims believe it is legitimate to use violence "against those that insult the prophet Muhammad, the Qur'an, or Islamic faith."

One quarter of Muslims said that "violence against Americans here in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad."

Even more ominous, "nearly one-fifth of Muslim respondents said that the use of violence in the United States is justified in order to make shariah the law of the land in this country," the CSP polling data showed.

When asked "if shariah conflicts with the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which law should be considered supreme?," one third of Muslim respondents said sharia.

As for their political views, 48 percent of the Muslims surveyed said they are Democrats, 19 percent are independents, and just 19 percent are Republicans.

www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

Read more: www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/06/poll_shows_high_levels_of_support_for_shariah_law_and_violence_among_american_muslims.html#ixzz3rU8F9ymM
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I'll pass on the Center For Security Policy's poll:

The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a national security think tank based in Washington, DC that has been widely accused of engaging in conspiracy theorizing by a range of individuals, media outlets and organizations. Its activities are focused on what it claims is a secret, global campaign to destroy western civilization.

Criticism
The Center's views have caused it and Gaffney, the Center's founder and president, to be criticized for propagating conspiracy theories by Reason,[5] American Conservative Magazine,[6] the Washington Post,[7] Salon,[8] CNN National Security Analyst Peter Bergen,[9] Grover Norquist,[10] Philip Giraldi,[11] Jonathan Kay,[12] Georgetown University's Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim–Christian Understanding,[13] Center for American Progress,[14] Media Matters for America,[15] The Nation,[16] the Southern Poverty Law Center,[17] The Intercept,[18] the Anti-Defamation League,[19] and the Institute for Southern Studies,[20] among others.

Terri A. Johnson, executive director of the Center for New Community, and J. Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, have characterized the group as "an extremist think tank" [21] The Southern Poverty Law Center further criticizes CSP's "investigative reports," saying that they are designed "to reinforce [Frank] Gaffney's delusions.".[17] In one of the group's "Occasional Papers," it alleged Huma Abedin, then Hillary Clinton's aide, was an undercover spy for the Muslim Brotherhood.[17] The CSP's accusation was denounced by John McCain, John Boehner, Scott Brown, and Marco Rubio.[22] In a separate report, the group declared that Susan Rice, Richard Haass, and Dennis Ross, were being secretly controlled by a covert "Iran lobby."[17]

The University of Southern California's Annenberg Center for Communication has described the organization as "a far-right think tank whose president, Frank Gaffney, was banned from the CPAC [Conservative Political Action Conference] ... because its organizers believed him to be a 'crazy bigot.'"[23] The Center for Democratic Values at Queens College, City University of New York has said the Center is among the "key players in the Sharīʿah cottage industry," what it describes as a "conspiracy theory" that claims the existence of "secretive power elite groups that conspire to replace sovereign nation-states in order to eventually rule the world."[24]

Gaffney's leadership of the organization has also prompted criticism of the group in the context of specific accusations made by Gaffney, including that the logo of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency "appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo" and is part of a "worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam."[4]

Center for Security Policy

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 12:05:10 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

So, what Western Leaders need to be doing is to make it clear that "true" Muslim belief is violent action to get Sharia Law to govern the Western World and thus increase the percentages of Muslims who belief that and act upon it? I see that as not a good idea. YMMV

The longer they lie, the worse the situation is going to get. But that is exactly what the I.S. is counting on, FYI. Kinda like "logistics specialist" being deployed across Europe, aka, we are in stage one of Martial law across Europe.

Everyone is free to believe what they want.

i believe that most people, left right and center, are good.  and no- the events of this week don't change that belief one iota.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 12:06:02 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Nov 14, 2015 11:46:08 GMT -5 b2r said:

I'll pass on the Center For Security Policy's poll:

The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a national security think tank based in Washington, DC that has been widely accused of engaging in conspiracy theorizing by a range of individuals, media outlets and organizations. Its activities are focused on what it claims is a secret, global campaign to destroy western civilization.

Criticism
The Center's views have caused it and Gaffney, the Center's founder and president, to be criticized for propagating conspiracy theories by Reason,[5] American Conservative Magazine,[6] the Washington Post,[7] Salon,[8] CNN National Security Analyst Peter Bergen,[9] Grover Norquist,[10] Philip Giraldi,[11] Jonathan Kay,[12] Georgetown University's Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim–Christian Understanding,[13] Center for American Progress,[14] Media Matters for America,[15] The Nation,[16] the Southern Poverty Law Center,[17] The Intercept,[18] the Anti-Defamation League,[19] and the Institute for Southern Studies,[20] among others.

Terri A. Johnson, executive director of the Center for New Community, and J. Richard Cohen, president of the Southern Poverty Law Center, have characterized the group as "an extremist think tank" [21] The Southern Poverty Law Center further criticizes CSP's "investigative reports," saying that they are designed "to reinforce [Frank] Gaffney's delusions.".[17] In one of the group's "Occasional Papers," it alleged Huma Abedin, then Hillary Clinton's aide, was an undercover spy for the Muslim Brotherhood.[17] The CSP's accusation was denounced by John McCain, John Boehner, Scott Brown, and Marco Rubio.[22] In a separate report, the group declared that Susan Rice, Richard Haass, and Dennis Ross, were being secretly controlled by a covert "Iran lobby."[17]

The University of Southern California's Annenberg Center for Communication has described the organization as "a far-right think tank whose president, Frank Gaffney, was banned from the CPAC [Conservative Political Action Conference] ... because its organizers believed him to be a 'crazy bigot.'"[23] The Center for Democratic Values at Queens College, City University of New York has said the Center is among the "key players in the Sharīʿah cottage industry," what it describes as a "conspiracy theory" that claims the existence of "secretive power elite groups that conspire to replace sovereign nation-states in order to eventually rule the world."[24]

Gaffney's leadership of the organization has also prompted criticism of the group in the context of specific accusations made by Gaffney, including that the logo of the U.S. Missile Defense Agency "appears ominously to reflect a morphing of the Islamic crescent and star with the Obama campaign logo" and is part of a "worrying pattern of official U.S. submission to Islam."[4]

Center for Security Policy

this is one of those "push polls" that conservatives purport to hate.  let's see how much they hate it when it reflects their views. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Nov 14, 2015 12:08:22 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 14, 2015 12:05:10 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

The longer they lie, the worse the situation is going to get. But that is exactly what the I.S. is counting on, FYI. Kinda like "logistics specialist" being deployed across Europe, aka, we are in stage one of Martial law across Europe.

Everyone is free to believe what they want.

i believe that most people, left right and center, are good.  and no- the events of this week don't change that belief one iota.

Good for you.

[billisonboard]

Nov 14, 2015 12:05:10 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

So, what Western Leaders need to be doing is to make it clear that "true" Muslim belief is violent action to get Sharia Law to govern the Western World and thus increase the percentages of Muslims who belief that and act upon it? I see that as not a good idea. YMMV

The longer they lie, the worse the situation is going to get. But that is exactly what the I.S. is counting on, FYI. Kinda like "logistics specialist" being deployed across Europe, aka, we are in stage one of Martial law across Europe.

Everyone is free to believe what they want.

Okay, so you believe if Western Leaders start to declare that Islam is a religion of violence it will lead to a leveling off or decrease in violence by Muslims? You further belief the situation now is that while Western Leaders are voicing it is a religion of peace, they are moving government forces towards martial law? Correct?

[Spellbound454]

We have been told to expect British dead and injured.

The band in the theatre was American (They are safe)... but some of their audience may have been American.
You must prepare for casualties too.


Billison is right. The more people feel disaffected and not part of the country they live in..... the more they will be a recruitment ground for Daesh.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Nov 14, 2015 12:35:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 14, 2015 12:05:10 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

The longer they lie, the worse the situation is going to get. But that is exactly what the I.S. is counting on, FYI. Kinda like "logistics specialist" being deployed across Europe, aka, we are in stage one of Martial law across Europe.

Everyone is free to believe what they want.

Okay, so you believe if Western Leaders start to declare that Islam is a religion of violence it will lead to a leveling off or decrease in violence by Muslims? You further belief the situation now is that while Western Leaders are voicing it is a religion of peace, they are moving government forces towards martial law? Correct?

What I am saying is we are already in stage one of martial law in europe, this is a fact I have been following closely and have well documented.

What I am saying is that years of pushing a religion as a culture has come home to roost, and we are 18-24 months from a full on global conflict because of this fact(Europe is broke and can't afford this refugee crisis and Europe will drag China down with them).

What I am saying is that all the wishing in the world isn't going to change the fact that our politicians have sold us a bunch of lies, and the longer they push this - aka letting refugees flood Europe - the worse it's going to get before it starts swinging back the other way. I'm not saying I support it, but look at how the far right parties are gaining in strength and popularity.. How does an event like this one in Paris play into their narrative?? ‎

[weltschmerz]

Canada's US ambassador to the European Union is speaking on TV right now.

Evidently, one of the dead terrorists had a passport on him. He came in with the refugees through Greece. Lovely.

"Welcome!!! Come on in!"

[Spellbound454]

Germany and Sweden welcomed refugees with open arms.
Still reasonably popular with that decision in their respective countries......but give it a few months/years attitudes may change.
Merkel is definitely losing support.

The rest of Europe don't want quite so many.

At least one of last nights attackers came though Greece as a refugee in October.
Its likely that there will be more.

[Ryan]

Nov 14, 2015 11:16:08 GMT -5 Bonny said:

These guys are not about religion or Islam. They are just hiding behind the more radical tenets (remember the Bible has some pretty radical verses too). This is about revenge and envy.

They are clearly not thinking about what is going to happen to their families and the disservice they are doing to other Muslims.

When a handful of Muslims do something crazy, this is what everyone says. When a Christian does something wacky, all Christians are wacko.

Case in point, red Starbucks cup. I don't know anyone that was actually upset by that, but everyone had a field day.

[Spellbound454]

disservice they are doing to other Muslims

The don't really care about "other" Muslims ....They are killing them in their droves and saying they are not proper Muslims.

They also have a death wish and see this life as just preparation for the next.
They don't mind dying for the cause.

This Islamism...is a death cult.

[billisonboard]

Nov 14, 2015 13:09:36 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

...

What I am saying is that years of pushing a religion as a culture has come home to roost, and we are 18-24 months from a full on global conflict because of this fact ...‎

And I would contend that the Western World built a standard of living on the back of the Third World through economic colonialism as they were losing political control of that part of the world. This has lead to those countries taking more control of their economies and the West having to take on debt to maintain its standard of living. Religion is pretext.

[mroped]

There is a question that nags me for a while: how and why did ISIS come about?

ISIS does not represent the Muslim faith just the same way Westboro Church doesn't represent Christianity.
What they did in Paris is way beyond anything that we expected or imagined that could happen. But whom do you go after or punish besides those that were directly involved?
Their families? 
"Do not hold the sons guilty for the sins of their fathers!"

I know that some of you will get upset for me saying this but it is what it is: we, the U.S. And the rest of the so called "industrialized world" created ISIS.
We did that through business activities on the lands of the ME. We've been doing that since the 60s or so. And now, yes, the chicken come home to roost!

Leveling the ME as some suggested here is not the solution. Stop tinkering and playing hide and seek is. 
The teritory that ISIS occupies is not that vast. Just go in with enough boots so you can absolutely control it and close in the damned circle. Nothing flies except what you put in the air.
Why did Patton have to die?

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 13:29:52 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

disservice they are doing to other Muslims

The don't really care about "other" Muslims ....They are killing them in their droves and saying they are not proper Muslims.

They also have a death wish and see this life as just preparation for the next.
They don't mind dying for the cause.

This Islamism...is a death cult.

it's worse than that.  they consider other Muslims INFIDELS.  they think they have succumbed to Western ideas, and therefore are expendable to the cause of the one true Islam.

does that sound like the kind of faith that franchises well?

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 13:40:21 GMT -5 mroped said:

There is a question that nags me for a while: how and why did ISIS come about?

ISIS does not represent the Muslim faith just the same way Westboro Church doesn't represent Christianity.
What they did in Paris is way beyond anything that we expected or imagined that could happen. But whom do you go after or punish besides those that were directly involved?
Their families? 
"Do not hold the sons guilty for the sins of their fathers!"

I know that some of you will get upset for me saying this but it is what it is: we, the U.S. And the rest of the so called "industrialized world" created ISIS.
We did that through business activities on the lands of the ME. We've been doing that since the 60s or so. And now, yes, the chicken come home to roost!

Leveling the ME as some suggested here is not the solution. Stop tinkering and playing hide and seek is. 
The teritory that ISIS occupies is not that vast. Just go in with enough boots so you can absolutely control it and close in the damned circle. Nothing flies except what you put in the air.
Why did Patton have to die?

i don't think this war has much to do with territory.  it has more to do with ideas.

ideas are exceedingly hard to kill.

[Bonny]

Nov 14, 2015 13:29:52 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

disservice they are doing to other Muslims

The don't really care about "other" Muslims ....They are killing them in their droves and saying they are not proper Muslims.

They also have a death wish and see this life as just preparation for the next.
They don't mind dying for the cause.

This Islamism...is a death cult.

I don't think these guys care about anybody but themselves at the time. They feel that they are losers, can't win and the only glory they will ever have in their lives is to die as a martyr.

The real sickos are the ones manipulating these disenfranchised young men for their own power trip.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 13:19:39 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Nov 14, 2015 11:16:08 GMT -5 Bonny said:

These guys are not about religion or Islam. They are just hiding behind the more radical tenets (remember the Bible has some pretty radical verses too). This is about revenge and envy.

They are clearly not thinking about what is going to happen to their families and the disservice they are doing to other Muslims.

When a handful of Muslims do something crazy, this is what everyone says. When a Christian does something wacky, all Christians are wacko.

Case in point, red Starbucks cup. I don't know anyone that was actually upset by that, but everyone had a field day.

speaking as one of "everyone", i don't see any of this as "crazy".  it is the new Puritanism.  it is springing up EVERYWHERE.  for example, on the left in the US, there are strains of ecology and feminism that are utterly bigoted.  they won't even HEAR rational arguments.  likewise, there are professors of right wing economics and religion that won't hear any arguments that confront their ideas. 

i actually see fundamentalism in Islam and Christianity as both maddeningly conservative and self contained.

[Bonny]

Nov 14, 2015 13:40:21 GMT -5 mroped said:

There is a question that nags me for a while: how and why did ISIS come about?

ISIS does not represent the Muslim faith just the same way Westboro Church doesn't represent Christianity.
What they did in Paris is way beyond anything that we expected or imagined that could happen. But whom do you go after or punish besides those that were directly involved?
Their families? 
"Do not hold the sons guilty for the sins of their fathers!"

I know that some of you will get upset for me saying this but it is what it is: we, the U.S. And the rest of the so called "industrialized world" created ISIS.
We did that through business activities on the lands of the ME. We've been doing that since the 60s or so. And now, yes, the chicken come home to roost!

Leveling the ME as some suggested here is not the solution. Stop tinkering and playing hide and seek is. 
The teritory that ISIS occupies is not that vast. Just go in with enough boots so you can absolutely control it and close in the damned circle. Nothing flies except what you put in the air.
Why did Patton have to die?

Not getting the connection...?

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 13:47:47 GMT -5 Bonny said:

Nov 14, 2015 13:29:52 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

The don't really care about "other" Muslims ....They are killing them in their droves and saying they are not proper Muslims.

They also have a death wish and see this life as just preparation for the next.
They don't mind dying for the cause.

This Islamism...is a death cult.

I don't think these guys care about anybody but themselves at the time. They feel that they are losers, can't win and the only glory they will ever have in their lives is to die as a martyr.

The real sickos are the ones manipulating these disenfranchised young men for their own power trip.

i don't think that is true at all.  i think they consider themselves as POWERLESS, but hopeful.  they are hopeful in the sense that they are idealistic, and idealists tend to be quite hopeful.  they think their way will eventually win out.  idealism is fundamentally optimistic.  they see martyrdom as a pathway to ultimate success, and they consider their small part in that a victory to their cause.

manipulation happens everywhere.  it is quite broadly done even in developed nations like ours.

[b2r]

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Nov 14, 2015 13:36:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 14, 2015 13:09:36 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

...

What I am saying is that years of pushing a religion as a culture has come home to roost, and we are 18-24 months from a full on global conflict because of this fact ...‎

And I would contend that the Western World built a standard of living on the back of the Third World through economic colonialism as they were losing political control of that part of the world. This has lead to those countries taking more control of their economies and the West having to take on debt to maintain its standard of living. Religion is pretext.

Great, argue semantics all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the lies are what has led us to this conflict. I'm sure it was all the wests fault too. I mean the standard of living across the mid east is just amazing and it has nothing to do with how these areas are governed.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2015 14:05:24 GMT -5 Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger said:

Nov 14, 2015 13:36:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

And I would contend that the Western World built a standard of living on the back of the Third World through economic colonialism as they were losing political control of that part of the world. This has lead to those countries taking more control of their economies and the West having to take on debt to maintain its standard of living. Religion is pretext.

Great, argue semantics all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the lies are what has led us to this conflict. I'm sure it was all the wests fault too. I mean the standard of living across the mid east is just amazing and it has nothing to do with how these areas are governed.

which lies?  the ones about WMD? 

[Deleted]

Nov 14, 2015 13:40:21 GMT -5 mroped said:

There is a question that nags me for a while: how and why did ISIS come about?

ISIS does not represent the Muslim faith just the same way Westboro Church doesn't represent Christianity.
What they did in Paris is way beyond anything that we expected or imagined that could happen. But whom do you go after or punish besides those that were directly involved?
Their families? 
"Do not hold the sons guilty for the sins of their fathers!"

I know that some of you will get upset for me saying this but it is what it is: we, the U.S. And the rest of the so called "industrialized world" created ISIS.
We did that through business activities on the lands of the ME. We've been doing that since the 60s or so. And now, yes, the chicken come home to roost!

Leveling the ME as some suggested here is not the solution. Stop tinkering and playing hide and seek is. 
The teritory that ISIS occupies is not that vast. Just go in with enough boots so you can absolutely control it and close in the damned circle. Nothing flies except what you put in the air.
Why did Patton have to die?

Are you serious?

We have been warned about attacks like this for more than a decade now.

[b2r]

 ISIL/IS/ISIS are contained...



DAESH, on the other hand...