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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 14:42:52 GMT -5
Amen. The appropriate response to being called the C- word by a student is to scream at him, and when he blows you off, run out of the room crying. Get the guidance counselor to sit down with him to discuss the inappropriateness of his actions. Have a three-way dialog with the student and the counselor to express your feelings and come to a mutually agreeable resolution to the problem. Of course this whole process may take several days and cement your reputation as a pathetic shrinking violent, but we're talking about a slap as the alternative. Pain! Discipline! Barbaric. oh good, the voice of reason has chimed in with the only other option in the world. So it's either hit a kid in the face or be a giant ? I though schools still had one or two other disciplinary options at their disposal. Silly me. Why don't you enlighten us as to what disciplinary option would have a better outcome? A slap is immediate, uninjurious, and takes all of five seconds to administer. You mouth off to authority, you get slapped. I defy you to find me anyone who has ever slapped or been slapped who will testify that it wasn't an extremely effective disciplinary measure. But screw that. That's from the era where public schools didn't have metal detectors at the entrances and de facto police officers roaming the halls. Why don't you sell us all on the newer, less effective way of dealing with open defiance so that schools' downhill plunge shan't be arrested.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 14:46:07 GMT -5
I don't think I saw anyone here is saying that what the officer did was appropriate. All I'm seeing is people saying the young lady had some culpability in this whole thing. And she did.
I don't think I saw anyone saying anything of the sort, but I sure do see people posting without a word as to the actions of the young lady. That isn't any better and, in my opinion, a huge part of the problem.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 14:50:57 GMT -5
oh good, the voice of reason has chimed in with the only other option in the world. So it's either hit a kid in the face or be a giant ? I though schools still had one or two other disciplinary options at their disposal. Silly me. Why don't you enlighten us as to what disciplinary option would have a better outcome? A slap is immediate, uninjurious, and takes all of five seconds to administer. You mouth off to authority, you get slapped. I defy you to find me anyone who has ever slapped or been slapped who will testify that it wasn't an extremely effective disciplinary measure. But screw that. That's from the era where public schools didn't have metal detectors at the entrances and de facto police officers roaming the halls. Why don't you sell us all on the newer, less effective way of dealing with open defiance so that schools' downhill plunge shan't be arrested. My local high school does not have metal detectors, and oddly hasn't made the news with teachers and librarians slapping kids for name calling either. I expect they use standard disciplinary actions like suspensions, detentions, Saturday school, not being allowed to go participate in extracurriculars, expulsion as a last resort. You know, like back when we were in school and everything was perfect and teens were never mouthy.
I have a couple teens in my household. If I slapped one of them in the face, I think I'd fully expect to get slapped back. If I can react "without thinking", shouldn't I expect that other people will as well? Or does only one person get a special pass in a slap battle?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 14:52:07 GMT -5
Also, good luck with that assault charge if you decide to hit a kid for calling you names. Isn't it a pretty basic rule of thumb that you never hit other people's kids? Today, I don't know. Time was, children were under the authority of teacher, and authorities were well within their discretion to slap disobedient students. Today, you have to call the principal in to call the resource officer in who ends up flipping the student on his/her arse and getting fired, necessitating a round of interviews for yet another resource officer. Five years from now, the appropriate protocol will be for the teacher to call the principal, who will then call the resource officer, who will in turn call the disciplinary supervisor, who will contact the local police. The local police will send out a hostage negotiator, who, if he fails in persuading the student to leave, will then have the authority to call in a student crisis response expert (SCRE). If the SCRE fails to resolve the situation, (s)he can contact the governor and receive authorization to perform a hostile student extraction operation (HSEO) at which point the student may be forcibly removed from the premises.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2015 14:53:00 GMT -5
oh good, the voice of reason has chimed in with the only other option in the world. So it's either hit a kid in the face or be a giant ? I though schools still had one or two other disciplinary options at their disposal. Silly me. Why don't you enlighten us as to what disciplinary option would have a better outcome? A slap is immediate, uninjurious, and takes all of five seconds to administer. You mouth off to authority, you get slapped. I defy you to find me anyone who has ever slapped or been slapped who will testify that it wasn't an extremely effective disciplinary measure. But screw that. That's from the era where public schools didn't have metal detectors at the entrances and de facto police officers roaming the halls. Why don't you sell us all on the newer, less effective way of dealing with open defiance so that schools' downhill plunge shan't be arrested. The answer to this problem in schools is acceptance of a return to a higher toss out/drop out rate.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 14:54:46 GMT -5
Why don't you enlighten us as to what disciplinary option would have a better outcome? A slap is immediate, uninjurious, and takes all of five seconds to administer. You mouth off to authority, you get slapped. I defy you to find me anyone who has ever slapped or been slapped who will testify that it wasn't an extremely effective disciplinary measure. But screw that. That's from the era where public schools didn't have metal detectors at the entrances and de facto police officers roaming the halls. Why don't you sell us all on the newer, less effective way of dealing with open defiance so that schools' downhill plunge shan't be arrested. My local high school does not have metal detectors, and oddly hasn't made the news with teachers and librarians slapping kids for name calling either. I expect they use standard disciplinary actions like suspensions, detentions, Saturday school, not being allowed to go participate in extracurriculars, expulsion as a last resort. You know, like back when we were in school and everything was perfect and teens were never mouthy.
I have a couple teens in my household. If I slapped one of them in the face, I think I'd fully expect to get slapped back. If I can react "without thinking", shouldn't I expect that other people will as well? Or does only one person get a special pass in a slap battle?
Great. So instead of a slap that takes 5 seconds, you can kick the kid out of sports, expel him, maybe sit him in a room to be monitored for a few hours. See my comment vis a vis authority about what gives one party the right to slap another.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 28, 2015 14:59:23 GMT -5
I don't think I saw anyone here is saying that what the officer did was appropriate. All I'm seeing is people saying the young lady had some culpability in this whole thing. And she did.
I don't think I saw anyone saying anything of the sort, but I sure do see people posting without a word as to the actions of the young lady. That isn't any better and, in my opinion, a huge part of the problem. So, you just infer that no comments on her behavior mean all previous posters find it acceptable?
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Post by grumpyhermit on Oct 28, 2015 15:01:04 GMT -5
Also, good luck with that assault charge if you decide to hit a kid for calling you names. Isn't it a pretty basic rule of thumb that you never hit other people's kids? Today, I don't know. Time was, children were under the authority of teacher, and authorities were well within their discretion to slap disobedient students. Today, you have to call the principal in to call the resource officer in who ends up flipping the student on his/her arse and getting fired, necessitating a round of interviews for yet another resource officer. Five years from now, the appropriate protocol will be for the teacher to call the principal, who will then call the resource officer, who will in turn call the disciplinary supervisor, who will contact the local police. The local police will send out a hostage negotiator, who, if he fails in persuading the student to leave, will then have the authority to call in a student crisis response expert (SCRE). If the SCRE fails to resolve the situation, (s)he can contact the governor and receive authorization to perform a hostile student extraction operation (HSEO) at which point the student may be forcibly removed from the premises. What time was this? Like 50 years ago? I am mid-thirties, and it would not have been okay for a teacher to hit me when I was in school. I would rather they expel the problem student if they only way then can think to deal with them is lashing out physically in anger. You want to hit your kids? Fine. That doesn't mean you get to hit other people's.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 15:04:15 GMT -5
Also, good luck with that assault charge if you decide to hit a kid for calling you names. Isn't it a pretty basic rule of thumb that you never hit other people's kids? Today, I don't know. Time was, children were under the authority of teacher, and authorities were well within their discretion to slap disobedient students. Today, you have to call the principal in to call the resource officer in who ends up flipping the student on his/her arse and getting fired, necessitating a round of interviews for yet another resource officer. Five years from now, the appropriate protocol will be for the teacher to call the principal, who will then call the resource officer, who will in turn call the disciplinary supervisor, who will contact the local police. The local police will send out a hostage negotiator, who, if he fails in persuading the student to leave, will then have the authority to call in a student crisis response expert (SCRE). If the SCRE fails to resolve the situation, (s)he can contact the governor and receive authorization to perform a hostile student extraction operation (HSEO) at which point the student may be forcibly removed from the premises. I've been out of high school for 25 years, and it wasn't okay to hit kids when I was in school. What era are you harkening back to?
get back to me in 5 years and let me know how your prediction worked out.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 15:05:16 GMT -5
I don't think I saw anyone here is saying that what the officer did was appropriate. All I'm seeing is people saying the young lady had some culpability in this whole thing. And she did.
I don't think I saw anyone saying anything of the sort, but I sure do see people posting without a word as to the actions of the young lady. That isn't any better and, in my opinion, a huge part of the problem. No one has suggested that the students actions were appropriate.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 28, 2015 15:12:50 GMT -5
Never mind the outrage I have that the political dimwits have fallen in to the regular positions- but WTF- we have two arrests- one for a 16yo girl that refused to deal with the police, and another that was arrested for filming it with her phone. I did not know being disruptive in class was a criminal offense, and really how is filming a disruptive event a disruptive event? www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-video/What bothers me is that- just like always- the GOP defends police without question. The victim blaming started almost immediately. Is that the price we pay to have cops in schools just in case some maniac shows up? He was a football coach and lost it- probably some steroids in the mix. Nothing makes you more of a man than tossing teenage girls around I guess. Thats bull crap that Repos always defend the Police. I have started numerous threads where i have been critical of the Police.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 15:15:46 GMT -5
My local high school does not have metal detectors, and oddly hasn't made the news with teachers and librarians slapping kids for name calling either. I expect they use standard disciplinary actions like suspensions, detentions, Saturday school, not being allowed to go participate in extracurriculars, expulsion as a last resort. You know, like back when we were in school and everything was perfect and teens were never mouthy.
I have a couple teens in my household. If I slapped one of them in the face, I think I'd fully expect to get slapped back. If I can react "without thinking", shouldn't I expect that other people will as well? Or does only one person get a special pass in a slap battle?
Great. So instead of a slap that takes 5 seconds, you can kick the kid out of sports, expel him, maybe sit him in a room to be monitored for a few hours. See my comment vis a vis authority about what gives one party the right to slap another. You're all over the place. First the only two options were to hit or be a . Then it was slaps are the most effective form of punishment ever, no one has ever been slapped and not found it to be the most effective form of punishment. Now it just appears to be "meh, slapping is the lazy way out because it takes 5 seconds". You asked what else could be done - so I told you. If you think that finding a means of punishment that doesn't involve hitting a kid in the face or throwing them across the room is just too much darn effort, there's nothing more to be gained by discussion.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 15:20:43 GMT -5
I don't think I saw anyone here is saying that what the officer did was appropriate. All I'm seeing is people saying the young lady had some culpability in this whole thing. And she did.
I don't think I saw anyone saying anything of the sort, but I sure do see people posting without a word as to the actions of the young lady. That isn't any better and, in my opinion, a huge part of the problem. So, you just infer that no comments on her behavior mean all previous posters find it acceptable? I don't think it means people think her behavior was acceptable but I do think it means people think what she did isn't worth mentioning.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 15:33:51 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun. Huh? A middle ground does work almost all of the time. Most kids are not calling adults names and most kids aren't getting slapped across the face. I'm not sure when we reached a consensus here that all kids are out of control hooligans?
So because your mom slapped you once, do you think she would have been okay with teachers and school administrators doing it?
My parents would have been had I deserved it.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 15:35:25 GMT -5
Why don't you enlighten us as to what disciplinary option would have a better outcome? A slap is immediate, uninjurious, and takes all of five seconds to administer. You mouth off to authority, you get slapped. I defy you to find me anyone who has ever slapped or been slapped who will testify that it wasn't an extremely effective disciplinary measure. But screw that. That's from the era where public schools didn't have metal detectors at the entrances and de facto police officers roaming the halls. Why don't you sell us all on the newer, less effective way of dealing with open defiance so that schools' downhill plunge shan't be arrested. My local high school does not have metal detectors, and oddly hasn't made the news with teachers and librarians slapping kids for name calling either. I expect they use standard disciplinary actions like suspensions, detentions, Saturday school, not being allowed to go participate in extracurriculars, expulsion as a last resort. You know, like back when we were in school and everything was perfect and teens were never mouthy.
I have a couple teens in my household. If I slapped one of them in the face, I think I'd fully expect to get slapped back. If I can react "without thinking", shouldn't I expect that other people will as well? Or does only one person get a special pass in a slap battle?
Omg.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 15:38:38 GMT -5
Today, I don't know. Time was, children were under the authority of teacher, and authorities were well within their discretion to slap disobedient students. Today, you have to call the principal in to call the resource officer in who ends up flipping the student on his/her arse and getting fired, necessitating a round of interviews for yet another resource officer. Five years from now, the appropriate protocol will be for the teacher to call the principal, who will then call the resource officer, who will in turn call the disciplinary supervisor, who will contact the local police. The local police will send out a hostage negotiator, who, if he fails in persuading the student to leave, will then have the authority to call in a student crisis response expert (SCRE). If the SCRE fails to resolve the situation, (s)he can contact the governor and receive authorization to perform a hostile student extraction operation (HSEO) at which point the student may be forcibly removed from the premises. What time was this? Like 50 years ago? I am mid-thirties, and it would not have been okay for a teacher to hit me when I was in school. I would rather they expel the problem student if they only way then can think to deal with them is lashing out physically in anger. You want to hit your kids? Fine. That doesn't mean you get to hit other people's. Well, I went to school in the sixties and the seventies and misbehaving mouthy kids did get it in school then probably again when they got home from their parents. Parents then realized their kids reflected on them and no one was proud of raising a bad kid.
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Post by swamp on Oct 28, 2015 15:39:17 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun. We also didn't try to educate those kids previously. They got booted out of school.
ETA: It also used to be OK to hit your wife, pay women less, and own black people. Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean it was right and we should go back to doing it that way.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 15:46:20 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun. We also didn't try to educate those kids previously. They got booted out of school. Not where I lived. The few that did misbehave WANTED to be booted out of school. They didn't get what they wanted. They had to come and came into a classroom especially for those kinds of kids. One where there was a best attempt at educating them, but where they were not allowed to disturb others if they did not choose to take advantage of their opportunity. Again...it happened so rarely. I remember having to enter that classroom on one occasion and there were 3...maybe 4 students in there. It wasn't common, but it did happen. Of course, in those days, if they didn't show up, a truant officer went to the homes and rousted their butts out of bed. I don't know if they can still do that or not. Probably not, but I don't know.
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Post by The Captain on Oct 28, 2015 16:11:55 GMT -5
The high school district I just moved out of had one kid stab a teacher in the eye a few years back. Last year another was charged as an adult for raping a 14yo on school grounds. Teachers have been punched, there are metal detectors at entrances, and kids are sent home all the time for wearing colors. This is not the delinquent school, btw, we have a special HS for those deemed too disruptive to function in the above environment. I don't think some people realize what some schools are like these days. The fact that you have to have "public safety officers" on site speaks volumns IMHO. AND little attention is being given to the fact that the other two adults in the room believe the officer acted appropriately. news.yahoo.com/c-sheriff-reveal-findings-probe-black-students-arrest-131457130.html#"The teacher and administrator who witnessed the encounter felt Fields acted appropriately, Lott said."So the three adults who were actually in the room believe it was appropriate. Yet the public is acting on a video clip that doesn't show or give all the facts. The court of public opinion appears to have won yet again.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 28, 2015 16:12:44 GMT -5
..., if they didn't show up, a truant officer went to the homes and rousted their butts out of bed. I don't know if they can still do that or not. Probably not, but I don't know. 1974, my mom got a call a week after school started asking if I was going to enroll for my senior year. She told them, "Apparently not." They said, "Okay." And that was that.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 16:14:52 GMT -5
Too many criticisms. Bullet point: - a slap is not a "hit", unless you want to define "hit" as non-injurious
- a slap is not "throwing (a student) across the room"
- an authority slapping a student is not an inappropriate form of discipline
- a slap is a particularly effective form of discipline
- a slap is a particularly efficient form of discipline in the sense that it wastes very little of students', teachers', and authorities' time, as opposed to all other suggested methods
a slap unambiguously asserts the authority of the teacher; the value of this cannot be understated, especially when dealing with gender-based insults asinine lawsuits notwithstanding, if a student under your authority calls you the C- word, the best thing you can do is slap the kid; future generations will thank you
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 16:27:26 GMT -5
The "jungle" is like a 2015 suburban public school on a good day.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2015 16:29:57 GMT -5
Today, I don't know. Time was, children were under the authority of teacher, and authorities were well within their discretion to slap disobedient students. Today, you have to call the principal in to call the resource officer in who ends up flipping the student on his/her arse and getting fired, necessitating a round of interviews for yet another resource officer. Five years from now, the appropriate protocol will be for the teacher to call the principal, who will then call the resource officer, who will in turn call the disciplinary supervisor, who will contact the local police. The local police will send out a hostage negotiator, who, if he fails in persuading the student to leave, will then have the authority to call in a student crisis response expert (SCRE). If the SCRE fails to resolve the situation, (s)he can contact the governor and receive authorization to perform a hostile student extraction operation (HSEO) at which point the student may be forcibly removed from the premises. What time was this? Like 50 years ago? I am mid-thirties, and it would not have been okay for a teacher to hit me when I was in school. I would rather they expel the problem student if they only way then can think to deal with them is lashing out physically in anger. You want to hit your kids? Fine. That doesn't mean you get to hit other people's. Im 44 and we still had corporal punishment when I was in school. He thought if I was being a shot in school I deserved tonget paddled. He also told me if I came home and complained about getting paddled I was getting it again for acting up in school. I also remember our principal slamming a few unruly guys up against the lockers. While Im sure we had some smart asses, they were never disruptive and were promptly removed. Mr Principal didn't take shit from anyone and quite honestly, kids thought twice because they knew what would happen if they cocked off No parents ever complained. Most had tr mind set that my dad had. If you are acting up you deserve it
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2015 16:58:32 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun. We also didn't try to educate those kids previously. They got booted out of school.
ETA: It also used to be OK to hit your wife, pay women less, and own black people. Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean it was right and we should go back to doing it that way.
I think we should still be able to boot kids like that out of school Not sure how I feel about corporal punishment. I think we have gone too far the other way
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Post by grumpyhermit on Oct 28, 2015 17:36:25 GMT -5
The high school district I just moved out of had one kid stab a teacher in the eye a few years back. Last year another was charged as an adult for raping a 14yo on school grounds. Teachers have been punched, there are metal detectors at entrances, and kids are sent home all the time for wearing colors. This is not the delinquent school, btw, we have a special HS for those deemed too disruptive to function in the above environment. I don't think some people realize what some schools are like these days. The fact that you have to have "public safety officers" on site speaks volumns IMHO. AND little attention is being given to the fact that the other two adults in the room believe the officer acted appropriately. news.yahoo.com/c-sheriff-reveal-findings-probe-black-students-arrest-131457130.html#"The teacher and administrator who witnessed the encounter felt Fields acted appropriately, Lott said."So the three adults who were actually in the room believe it was appropriate. Yet the public is acting on a video clip that doesn't show or give all the facts. The court of public opinion appears to have won yet again. From your linked article: So apparently his boss, the one trained in police procedures and appropriate use of force, disagrees.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 18:12:39 GMT -5
I see a boss covering his ass against public opinion.
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Post by fishy999 on Oct 28, 2015 19:17:28 GMT -5
Never mind the outrage I have that the political dimwits have fallen in to the regular positions- but WTF- we have two arrests- one for a 16yo girl that refused to deal with the police, and another that was arrested for filming it with her phone. I did not know being disruptive in class was a criminal offense, and really how is filming a disruptive event a disruptive event? www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/south-carolina-school-arrest-video/What bothers me is that- just like always- the GOP defends police without question. The victim blaming started almost immediately. Is that the price we pay to have cops in schools just in case some maniac shows up? He was a football coach and lost it- probably some steroids in the mix. Nothing makes you more of a man than tossing teenage girls around I guess. Thats bull crap that Repos always defend the Police. I have started numerous threads where i have been critical of the Police. My bad- I was refering to FOX news and the talking heads- not the party members. But come one- FOX brought out Mark Fuhrman and others to defend the cop before the facts were in. They always do this.
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Post by fishy999 on Oct 28, 2015 19:28:23 GMT -5
Wanted to add one element to this blame the family angle- she was recently orphaned and in foster care. As the sheriff said- she was still at fault- but maybe cut her a little slack. Either way being thrown across a room was not a proper response and the officer got himself fired- good call IMO.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2015 19:46:53 GMT -5
Wanted to add one element to this blame the family angle- she was recently orphaned and in foster care. As the sheriff said- she was still at fault- but maybe cut her a little slack. Either way being thrown across a room was not a proper response and the officer got himself fired- good call IMO. So I was right..a bad home life. The worse thing the school can do is let her think this behavior is ok. I disagree with cutting her slack. I also disagree with knocking her over like that. But with that kind of behavior, she does not belong in school. Kids are there to learn. If you don't want to learn, get out
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