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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 5, 2015 17:57:34 GMT -5
Reads like your class room was disrupted what with desks having to be moved out of the way. Did the ceiling happen to fall in on you what with wet tiles? I remember having a class moved due to broken windows in the room. We weren't made to sit in a cold class room with broken windows. We had the class in the school library. Accommodations were easily made for us in the library during school hours. And the school cafeteria was always available except during 4th period when 2,800 students ate in it. There were seven school periods during our high school day. Our library could hold about 10 people...it wasn't very big. No, the ceiling did not fall. They came in and moved a few desks away from the drip and used a bucket to catch the water. It took about 3 minutes. A few ceiling tiles were removed. After classes were over for the day, the leak was fixed and desks replaced. No class had to move. The students ate in shifts as the cafeteria served grades 6-12, and it was not big enough to have all students there at the same time. It may not have worked in your small school but it sure did work in my school (holding a class in our school library). And if the library was not available (which it always was), we would have had full and easy access to the cafeteria. So to say it is not viable alternative is simply not true. May be true for small schools, but for larger schools it is quite a viable alternative.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 5, 2015 18:16:36 GMT -5
... I went to school in a leaky, old school. ... ... Our library could hold about 10 people...it wasn't very big. ... Got it. Here is Spring Valley HS: Columbia Weather for October
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 5, 2015 19:06:39 GMT -5
If some keep talking how the student is so innocent in this rather than being the fuse and instigating the incident, I will have to start advocating tasering the little darlings and drag them out.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 5, 2015 19:09:39 GMT -5
If some keep talking how the student is so innocent in this rather than being the fuse and instigating the incident, I will have to start advocating tasering the little darlings and drag them out. Keep talking? Who started talking that way?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Nov 5, 2015 19:30:14 GMT -5
You have a point here, but how much do you want to bet that the only reason the teacher called the resource officer in the first place is because the school prohibits teachers from throwing a student out on their ear? Before that, how much do you want to bet that the teacher had not effectively established relationships with students that allowed for this to be anything other than a naked power struggle. Do I expect teachers to establish meaningful one-on-one relationships with all of their students? Or even the majority of them? Half of my teachers were lucky to remember my name. I had bad rapports with several others. (This may be hard to believe, but I was arrogant in my youth.) Everything is speculation on this arc anyway. Do I think it's possible the teacher had an opportunity to connect more with this girl and didn't capitalize on it? Certainly. I also think it's possible that such overtures were made and the girl soundly rejected them. Even supposing the light-handed approach was a realistic option, although I agree light-handed is generally better than heavy handed, the heavy-handed approach was still appropriate. Not optimal, perhaps, but appropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:31:21 GMT -5
School overcrowding. They aren't overcrowded because they have extra unused areas. Schools are designed with libraries, lunch rooms, common areas, and gyms. Unless you can give me a link to a discussion of an overcrowding problem at this specific high school which indicates such areas are utilized as classrooms, your generic "(s)chool overcrowding doesn't cut it. Yes they are. None of which are TEACHING ENVIRONMENTS for a class, led by a teacher. The library is a place for quiet study, not teaching by a teacher talking about a specific subject loud enough to be heard by their whole class. The lunchroom is a place for consuming edibles, and if it happens to be lunch time for other students... what then? Assuming it's empty though... you still have the issue of no teacher teaching materials like a blackboard or other things (maybe it'a a science class or biology class or geography class... and they need items that are "permanent" to the classroom). "Common Areas" and "Gyms" suffer the same problem as the lunchroom as far as being a place where it's not a "teaching environment" (unless you are teaching Gym). And if you don't know about the overcrowding of our schools... great for your school system. But a quick Google search of "school overcrowding" returns About 5,870,000 results (0.68 seconds)So... again... removing the other students because ONE student is being an ass is not a viable solution. Give us another one please.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:37:17 GMT -5
Seriously? Granted, my experience in HS is decades old, but I seem to remember the gym being used for classes throughout the day, lunches running from about 10-2, and libraries not really set up for a class of 30 kids. As as most of my classes these days are taught via media (computer with PP generally) on a large screen in front of the classroom, I'm assuming HS is taught similarly as it is much more effective than writing on a white/chalk board. The point is, you have now allowed this defiant teen to run a class out of the room. Don't you think that they aren't going to see that power? Hmmm, I can shut things down, simply by refusing to put up my cell phone. How about next time, when there is a test being given? I'll just pull out my phone and we'll get out of this test. IMO, not a viable alternative. Students have the power to stop learning from taking place in the classroom at all times. Forcing the teacher to call in the resource officer has the same disruptive effect as the teacher removing the class. As far as power, removing the class is actually the teacher telling the student, "I am taking the students away to continue teaching. Stay behind if you wish." No it doesn't. That disruption is MUCH shorter lived (that's the difference... duration of interruption. Both are disruptive, yes. But one lasts the whole class (and maybe even then the next class and the one after that... since you won't FORCE the student to move in your fantasy world) than moving the whole classroom (minus the troublemaker, of course)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:38:19 GMT -5
If a high school English teacher's designated classroom is temporarily out of commission due to say water leaking into the room, are the classes cancelled until the leak and repairs are completed? In my experience, a bucket is placed to catch water until the class is empty and repairs can be made. I went to school in a leaky, old school. Desks are moved out of the way, and the class continues on. I don't EVER remember leaving a class for anything other than a fire drill or planned event. I sat next to a few drip buckets in my time in school...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:42:15 GMT -5
In my experience, a bucket is placed to catch water until the class is empty and repairs can be made. I went to school in a leaky, old school. Desks are moved out of the way, and the class continues on. I don't EVER remember leaving a class for anything other than a fire drill or planned event. Reads like your class room was disrupted what with desks having to be moved out of the way. Did the ceiling happen to fall in on you what with wet tiles? I remember having a class moved due to broken windows in the room. We weren't made to sit in a cold class room with broken windows. We had the class in the school library. Accommodations were easily made for us in the library during school hours. And the school cafeteria was always available except during 4th period when 2,800 students ate in it. There were seven school periods during our high school day. Also worthy of note: Mechanical/structural failures HAVE to be worked around sometimes. Disruptive people don't HAVE to be. Remove them and the problem is solved. Having a mechanical/structural issue doesn't teach troublemakers that they can get away with being an ass in class and that THEY are in control. Removing the whole class (minus the troublemaker) on the other hand teaches exactly that.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 5, 2015 19:42:53 GMT -5
... Give us another one please. I am hit by the irony of this discussion of this situation. Hope you have a good evening.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 19:46:21 GMT -5
Reads like your class room was disrupted what with desks having to be moved out of the way. Did the ceiling happen to fall in on you what with wet tiles? I remember having a class moved due to broken windows in the room. We weren't made to sit in a cold class room with broken windows. We had the class in the school library. Accommodations were easily made for us in the library during school hours. And the school cafeteria was always available except during 4th period when 2,800 students ate in it. There were seven school periods during our high school day. Our library could hold about 10 people...it wasn't very big. No, the ceiling did not fall. They came in and moved a few desks away from the drip and used a bucket to catch the water. It took about 3 minutes. A few ceiling tiles were removed. After classes were over for the day, the leak was fixed and desks replaced. No class had to move. The students ate in shifts as the cafeteria served grades 6-12, and it was not big enough to have all students there at the same time. The cafeteria in my High School was the same way. 3 "lunch periods". It was "empty" 1st and 2nd period, in use (serving lunch) 3rd, 4th, and 5th, then being cleaned 6th. MAYBE could be used for 7th. Maybe. So... "available" MAYBE 3 out of 7 periods.
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Post by truthbound on Nov 8, 2015 8:50:02 GMT -5
Breaking someone's arm is doing their job lol. The problem is the only reason this made it on the news is because the girl was black. We do not have a black/cop problem . We have a thug cop problem. Nice to see you posting again, Truth. Nice to see you too.
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