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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 11:40:41 GMT -5
I don't think that's unreasonable. He disregarded his training and procedures, according to his boss.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 11:41:25 GMT -5
Hurt my back over some brat? Not me. I think I read this officer was over 200 lbs and big buy. Get another just like him and they could probably handle her and the desk. Of course she would have been kicking and screaming. So wheel her and the desk out of the classroom like Hannibal Lecter (not really). If I recall correctly, it was not a happy ending for those involved in the transport.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 28, 2015 11:45:01 GMT -5
I think I read this officer was over 200 lbs and big buy. Get another just like him and they could probably handle her and the desk. Of course she would have been kicking and screaming. So wheel her and the desk out of the classroom like Hannibal Lecter (not really). If I recall correctly, it was not a happy ending for those involved in the transport. It wasn't a happy ending for his guards once he got to where he was going.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 11:45:25 GMT -5
Well, that's not surprising. God forbid these brats not get away with their behavior. That sure sends the wrong message to other disruptive brats.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 28, 2015 11:46:14 GMT -5
I think I read this officer was over 200 lbs and big buy. Get another just like him and they could probably handle her and the desk. Of course she would have been kicking and screaming. So wheel her and the desk out of the classroom like Hannibal Lecter (not really). If I recall correctly, it was not a happy ending for those involved in the transport. At least not in that scene. It was the cage and ambulance scene where it was not a very happy ending.
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Oct 28, 2015 11:47:46 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, it was not a happy ending for those involved in the transport. At least not in that scene. It was the cage and ambulance scene where it was not a very happy ending. Yep, his guards when he got to where they were transporting him. It's a hard scene to forget.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 11:54:30 GMT -5
Didn't he have that doctor over "for dinner"?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 11:58:29 GMT -5
Yeah....I read all the books but my eyes were closed 50% of the time in the movies.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Oct 28, 2015 12:00:58 GMT -5
Maybe the student can enroll in the $42,000 per year school after the parents get the money they will receive if they win the lawsuit they are sure to be filing as we speak.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Oct 28, 2015 12:05:11 GMT -5
It would have been disruptive for the teacher and other students either way, but if it were me in charge, and the student refused the officer's request to put away the phone, I would have called in a female teacher or administrator or two into the room with the student and officer. Then I would have the teacher and rest of the class move into a vacant classroom or cafeteria to hold the class. After the class left the room, I would have had the officer and female teacher/administrator wait with the student in the now empty classroom while the parent(s) of the student were called and told to report to the school to collect their kid and issue the school suspension.
I agree completely that there was another way to handle this, but having a teacher in my family, I'd say that taking several other teachers from the classrooms, moving a whole class of students and disrupting who knows how many others for one defiant little brat isn't the answer. If I was a parent of one of the children in that school who knew how to act civilized, I'd be pissed off as all hell that she wasn't immediately removed to allow my child and others to continue with their learning. How many people do we disrupt for one little brat? Her and the officer - that's who.
I don't think that manhandling her like the officer did was right, but I wasn't there and I didn't see the "before" video and I'm guessing nobody else did either. How long did that teacher and administrators have to put the education of those other children on hold before it got to this point? My guess is a pretty long time. I'll be so very glad for the day to come when people hold others responsible for their own actions.
Your teacher gives you an appropriate direction. You refuse. Administration is called and gives appropriate direction. You refuse. The School Resource Officer is called and gives appropriate direction. You refuse. Yes.....your little defiant ass learns what "You WILL do as you are told" means. However, I do think she could have been removed without such violence and I hope that is investigated. I can't see how it was necessary to flip her desk and throw her to the floor.
And no....the other student wasn't arrested for filming. The other student was arrested for yelling and cursing at the officer which, where I live, is called Disorderly Conduct and it is a simple misdemeanor.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 12:13:39 GMT -5
Hey....it's got to happen once in awhile!
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 28, 2015 13:12:21 GMT -5
Think about the design of those desks. If the occupant decides to hook themselves into it, it takes a very violent act to dislodge them.
I agree. I still think it could have been done without flipping her onto the floor. My worry was a serious head injury from either hitting the floor or that wall.
Schools have to avoid lawsuits, too. I'm sure this girl and her family have been already contacted by many lawyers eager to sue the school district for damages, real or imaginary. I agree with two people picking her up, desk and all, and moving her into the hall or the office and waiting there for her parents. I had a friend who was a librarian at a school and a teenage boy called her a c word. Without thinking she slapped him. The parents immediately went to a lawyer to file a lawsuit because their six foot tall, nasty mouthed brat got his face slapped by a teacher. It ended up being dismissed, but not before she suffered through many sleepless nights. Better to make sure the school staff handle these kinds of things without physical contact with the kids, as much as possible, to keep these idiot parents from profiting from their unruly kids.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 13:29:21 GMT -5
Id love to see the school and teachers sue the parents of these brats but I'm sure they're "judgment proof."
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 13:49:46 GMT -5
I agree. I still think it could have been done without flipping her onto the floor. My worry was a serious head injury from either hitting the floor or that wall.
Schools have to avoid lawsuits, too. I'm sure this girl and her family have been already contacted by many lawyers eager to sue the school district for damages, real or imaginary. I agree with two people picking her up, desk and all, and moving her into the hall or the office and waiting there for her parents. I had a friend who was a librarian at a school and a teenage boy called her a c word. Without thinking she slapped him. The parents immediately went to a lawyer to file a lawsuit because their six foot tall, nasty mouthed brat got his face slapped by a teacher. It ended up being dismissed, but not before she suffered through many sleepless nights. Better to make sure the school staff handle these kinds of things without physical contact with the kids, as much as possible, to keep these idiot parents from profiting from their unruly kids.
And, you know, also better that they handle things without physical violence because hitting someone because they called you a name is never an appropriate response. I thought we all learned that in kindergarten. Holy fucking shit. The fact that you seem to think that she was somehow not responsible for slapping a kid across the face is astounding. Truly. People don't get a pass for hitting someone because they "weren't thinking". Especially when you are talking about an ADULT hitting a CHILD, no matter how tall said child is.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 13:52:44 GMT -5
Id love to see the school and teachers sue the parents of these brats but I'm sure they're "judgment proof." You'd love to see the school sue this kid because the resource officer manhandled her? Or you wanted to see the school in happy's example sue the kid because the school employee slapped him in the face? What the hell are you talking about? (besides nasty brats and savages, of course)
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Post by The Captain on Oct 28, 2015 14:03:18 GMT -5
You know, it's soooooo easy to sit here and armchair quarterback and second guess peoples judgment. Because everyone is perfect and behaves as expected in a civilized society.
Oh, right - we have no idea how much abuse was and is hurled at these people every day by these outstanding examples of humanity.
Sorry, some smart assed little punk calls me the c word I'd probably haul off and slap them as well. Admittedly two wrongs don't make a right, but to verbally degrade a woman to a sex part meant only for male pleasure is to me more abusive than a slap in the face.
And we wonder why our brightest don't go into the teaching profession. I know some who left because they're expected to put up with bullshit like this.
Keep blaming everyone except the ones who are the problem. See how well that's working?
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 14:10:06 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 14:12:30 GMT -5
You know, it's soooooo easy to sit here and armchair quarterback and second guess peoples judgment. Like the judgment of a teen who didn't give up her phone, you mean? or are you only upset at the injustice of people questioning the judgment of adults who hit kids? Because everyone is perfect and behaves as expected in a civilized society. Correct, people aren't perfect. Much like the teen at the crux of this story.
Oh, right - we have no idea how much abuse was and is hurled at these people every day by these outstanding examples of humanity. Sorry, some smart assed little punk calls me the c word I'd probably haul off and slap them as well. Admittedly two wrongs don't make a right, but to verbally degrade a woman to a sex part meant only for male pleasure is to me more abusive than a slap in the face. Well, the law and common sense differs with you there. So does a little ditty about sticks and stones I learned when I was 4.
And we wonder why our brightest don't go into the teaching profession. I know some who left because they're expected to put up with bullshit like this. Keep blaming everyone except the ones who are the problem. See how well that's working? Adults who teach children that violence is the answer aren't a big part of the problem?
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 14:16:50 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun. Huh? A middle ground does work almost all of the time. Most kids are not calling adults names and most kids aren't getting slapped across the face. I'm not sure when we reached a consensus here that all kids are out of control hooligans?
So because your mom slapped you once, do you think she would have been okay with teachers and school administrators doing it?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 28, 2015 14:18:31 GMT -5
Schools have to avoid lawsuits, too. I'm sure this girl and her family have been already contacted by many lawyers eager to sue the school district for damages, real or imaginary. I agree with two people picking her up, desk and all, and moving her into the hall or the office and waiting there for her parents. I had a friend who was a librarian at a school and a teenage boy called her a c word. Without thinking she slapped him. The parents immediately went to a lawyer to file a lawsuit because their six foot tall, nasty mouthed brat got his face slapped by a teacher. It ended up being dismissed, but not before she suffered through many sleepless nights. Better to make sure the school staff handle these kinds of things without physical contact with the kids, as much as possible, to keep these idiot parents from profiting from their unruly kids.
And, you know, also better that they handle things without physical violence because hitting someone because they called you a name is never an appropriate response. I thought we all learned that in kindergarten. Holy fucking shit. The fact that you seem to think that she was somehow not responsible for slapping a kid across the face is astounding. Truly. People don't get a pass for hitting someone because they "weren't thinking". Especially when you are talking about an ADULT hitting a CHILD, no matter how tall said child is. Amen. The appropriate response to being called the C- word by a student is to scream at him, and when he blows you off, run out of the room crying. Get the guidance counselor to sit down with him to discuss the inappropriateness of his actions. Have a three-way dialog with the student and the counselor to express your feelings and come to a mutually agreeable resolution to the problem. Of course this whole process may take several days and cement your reputation as a pathetic shrinking violent, but we're talking about a slap as the alternative. Pain! Discipline! Barbaric.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2015 14:22:43 GMT -5
So many things wrong with this situation. First off, the kid IS a punk and deserves to be expelled from the school. She obviously isn't there for an education and shouldn't be allowed to ruin everyone else's education.
but holy fuck, that asshat could have broken her neck by what he did. He was way over-the-top in his physical removal of her.
I honestly don't remember this kind of behavior when I was in school. Our parents would have kicked our asses if we behaved like that girl. My dad's rule was, don't come home whining that you got smacked in school for being bad because I will smack you again at home for being bad at school...it should be noted that I never got paddled in school when I lived with my dad because I knew he would have grounded me for life (to be clear, my dad NEVER spanked me but I knew he would).
I'm guessing this girl comes from a rough home life.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 28, 2015 14:24:28 GMT -5
I'm torn on this. People have been slapping kids across the face since the beginning of time. I got my mouth slapped but good once when I said something mean to my mom. We seem to be mostly in the "don't hit kids" camp now. When I was in school, kids were rarely disrespectful or defiant in school. Now, they behave atrociously. See a correlation?
I'm not saying hitting a kid is right or the answer. And sure...mostly kids used to behave out of fear and I'm not sure that's right either. I sure don't have the answer, but I think we can all see that letting kids rule the roost is not working out. If someone comes up with a middle ground that actually works, they could probably make a lot of money teaching it. We'd rather sit around and second guess those who actually have to deal with it daily. That's way more fun. Huh? A middle ground does work almost all of the time. Most kids are not calling adults names and most kids aren't getting slapped across the face. I'm not sure when we reached a consensus here that all kids are out of control hooligans?
So because your mom slapped you once, do you think she would have been okay with teachers and school administrators doing it?
My dad signed the consent form when I was in school, approving capital punishment! my dad was ex-army...you behave or you get what you deserve. But this was far and beyond getting paddled. This cop could have broken her damn neck.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Oct 28, 2015 14:26:10 GMT -5
It wasn't my mom. It was my dad. He's the one who heard the comment. And I can promise you that if I had called a teacher the "c" word, my parents would have had no problem with said teacher slapping the living crap out of me. I probably would have gotten slapped twice.
But? I'd have never done such a thing because I knew there were consequences other than maybe someone tsk tsking me. When I smarted off to my mom, I knew she couldn't hear me. I wasn't totally stupid. I just didn't plan well. I didn't know Dad was in the next room or I wouldn't have done it.
Again...I'm not saying that slapping a child is right. I just don't know that it's never warranted either. I don't have kids so I don't know how I'd handle it. I can't say. I just know when I was a kid an internal conversation with myself consisting of "you know you will get your ass kicked if you do this" worked.
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Post by imawino on Oct 28, 2015 14:27:00 GMT -5
And, you know, also better that they handle things without physical violence because hitting someone because they called you a name is never an appropriate response. I thought we all learned that in kindergarten. Holy fucking shit. The fact that you seem to think that she was somehow not responsible for slapping a kid across the face is astounding. Truly. People don't get a pass for hitting someone because they "weren't thinking". Especially when you are talking about an ADULT hitting a CHILD, no matter how tall said child is. Amen. The appropriate response to being called the C- word by a student is to scream at him, and when he blows you off, run out of the room crying. Get the guidance counselor to sit down with him to discuss the inappropriateness of his actions. Have a three-way dialog with the student and the counselor to express your feelings and come to a mutually agreeable resolution to the problem. Of course this whole process may take several days and cement your reputation as a pathetic shrinking violent, but we're talking about a slap as the alternative. Pain! Discipline! Barbaric. oh good, the voice of reason has chimed in with the only other option in the world. So it's either hit a kid in the face or be a giant ? I though schools still had one or two other disciplinary options at their disposal. Silly me.
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Post by Value Buy on Oct 28, 2015 14:29:30 GMT -5
Well, this is another case of "who wants to be a millionaire". She won. Or at least, will win.
Anyone catch the other latest video of a principal trying to break up a fight between students and he gets picked up and body slammed to the floor by the student he tried to pull out of the fight? And yet he got up and tried to stop the fight again?
It is just too damn hard to be a teacher or principal in the public schools anymore.
And we wonder why these darlings grow up and have trouble making a living and even getting a job at minimum wage. Yes, they are well worth the $15 dollars an hour at your local Mickey d's......
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Post by grumpyhermit on Oct 28, 2015 14:35:17 GMT -5
You know, it's soooooo easy to sit here and armchair quarterback and second guess peoples judgment. Because everyone is perfect and behaves as expected in a civilized society. Oh, right - we have no idea how much abuse was and is hurled at these people every day by these outstanding examples of humanity. Sorry, some smart assed little punk calls me the c word I'd probably haul off and slap them as well. Admittedly two wrongs don't make a right, but to verbally degrade a woman to a sex part meant only for male pleasure is to me more abusive than a slap in the face. And we wonder why our brightest don't go into the teaching profession. I know some who left because they're expected to put up with bullshit like this. Keep blaming everyone except the ones who are the problem. See how well that's working? Was the girl being disrespectful? Sure she was. Was it appropriate for that officer to pick her up, slam her to the ground, and then drag/throw her across the room? Not in my view, nor apparently the police department that fired him for excessive force. How anyone can think it is appropriate to do that to teenager is beyond me. So if this was your daughter (and I know, I know, your kids would NEVER think to do such a thing) and they refused to leave class, and took a swipe at the officer, you would be totally fine with her being treated in such a manner? Also, good luck with that assault charge if you decide to hit a kid for calling you names. Isn't it a pretty basic rule of thumb that you never hit other people's kids?
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