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Post by justme on Oct 20, 2015 15:43:21 GMT -5
First of all, the hyperbole isn't needed. Nothing is to be signed. They're merely teaching kids to check in with the partners and make sure everyone is on the same page. How dare they teach them to be considerate of others! Is asking someone of they're still ok that burdensome? Is pausing before you unbutton someone's pants and wait for a nod or a yes that awful?
No I haven't had accidental sex, but yes I've had to push a guy off me because one thing leads to another in his mind even though I said otherwise. I've had guys assume one thing leads to another and actually freaking argue with me when I said no and stopped me because I knew what was going to happen! So hell yes I believe that some women out there that aren't as sure of themselves, weren't raised to speak up, or are scared of making someone double their size mad don't say anything tells themselves they should have known that one thing always leads to another.
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Post by justme on Oct 20, 2015 15:45:56 GMT -5
Rape charges does not equal all rapes. The percent of rapes that actually end up with charges odds pathetically low and not indicative of anything.
PS a lot of that stems from the misguided belief that men can't be raped, especially men by women.
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Post by midjd on Oct 20, 2015 16:03:22 GMT -5
Non-consensual sex IS rape, and failing to stop someone from having sex with you doesn't equal consent... so I'm not sure that's accurate.
Sex shouldn't be the default option. It shouldn't be on you to say no if you don't want it... you should say yes if you do want it.
If someone mugs me and I don't run after them to grab my purse, did I consent to being mugged?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Oct 20, 2015 16:04:49 GMT -5
Technology will help us out on this one.
Google is prototyping an auto-locking chastity belt. It comes with a microphone and two breathalyzer tubes: one for him, one for her. The man blows in his tube and says clearly into the microphone "May I start screwing you or continue screwing you?" The woman then blows in her tube and says clearly into the microphone "Yes, you may start screwing me or continue screwing me." If the breathalyzers and voice prints check out, the belt unlocks for ten minutes, with a warning buzzer at 09:30 to make sure the man can pull it out on time. If the couple wishes to continue, they need only repeat the unlocking process.
As an added bonus, the belt keeps track of access times and performance analytics, which Google can then sell to third party advertisers who can offer helpful product suggestions.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 16:34:13 GMT -5
First of all, the hyperbole isn't needed. Nothing is to be signed. They're merely teaching kids to check in with the partners and make sure everyone is on the same page. How dare they teach them to be considerate of others! Is asking someone of they're still ok that burdensome? Is pausing before you unbutton someone's pants and wait for a nod or a yes that awful? No I haven't had accidental sex, but yes I've had to push a guy off me because one thing leads to another in his mind even though I said otherwise. I've had guys assume one thing leads to another and actually freaking argue with me when I said no and stopped me because I knew what was going to happen! So hell yes I believe that some women out there that aren't as sure of themselves, weren't raised to speak up, or are scared of making someone double their size mad don't say anything tells themselves they should have known that one thing always leads to another. But pushing a guy off you or saying no means you aren't consenting If I don't say no and I engage in sex I have no idea how anyone can say they didn't consent. I honestly don't I have had drunken sex...never in a million years would I blame that on the guy or claim rape. A bad decision on my part is not the responsibility of anyone but me
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 16:36:46 GMT -5
Non-consensual sex IS rape, and failing to stop someone from having sex with you doesn't equal consent... so I'm not sure that's accurate. Sex shouldn't be the default option. It shouldn't be on you to say no if you don't want it... you should say yes if you do want it. If someone mugs me and I don't run after them to grab my purse, did I consent to being mugged? So whej dating someone, you always said "yes, I want to have sex with you" or did the fact that you were actively engaging in sex mean you wanted to have sex? This is all so ludicrous to me...Im now single and have had sex with guys..:I can't imagine having to stop and ask him if he really wants to have sex with me...it is kind of a given when both parties are going at it.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2015 16:44:30 GMT -5
I don't see it as a bad thing if it simply gets both parties to think about what they are about to start.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 16:48:35 GMT -5
I don't see it as a bad thing if it simply gets both parties to think about what they are about to start. You don't see t as a bad thing if a boy winds up charged with rape because his willing participant Friday night decided Saturday that she never expressly confirmed that she wanted to have sex? I honestly don't get this line of thinking
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2015 16:58:22 GMT -5
I don't see it as a bad thing if it simply gets both parties to think about what they are about to start. You don't see t as a bad thing if a boy winds up charged with rape because his willing participant Friday night decided Saturday that she never expressly confirmed that she wanted to have sex? I honestly don't get this line of thinking Did I say it wasn't a bad thing if a boy winds up charged with rape because his willing participant Friday night decided Saturday that she never expressly confirmed that she wanted to have sex? Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. I said I don't think it is a bad thing if it simply gets both parties to think before they act. As simple as that. Nothing more-nothing less.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Oct 20, 2015 16:58:09 GMT -5
Non-consensual sex IS rape, and failing to stop someone from having sex with you doesn't equal consent... so I'm not sure that's accurate. Sex shouldn't be the default option. It shouldn't be on you to say no if you don't want it... you should say yes if you do want it. If someone mugs me and I don't run after them to grab my purse, did I consent to being mugged? So whej dating someone, you always said "yes, I want to have sex with you" or did the fact that you were actively engaging in sex mean you wanted to have sex? This is all so ludicrous to me...Im now single and have had sex with guys..:I can't imagine having to stop and ask him if he really wants to have sex with me...it is kind of a given when both parties are going at it. So you've never been making out on the couch and had a guy ask "do you want to move into the bedroom?," because you answering "fuck yeah!" is what yes means yes is about. My own husband asks if I want to switch positions as opposed to just assuming I want to be flipped around. It's mutual respect and consideration for your partner. I'm not assuming anything just because I'm making out with someone. If I touch your pee-pee and you my hoo-ha, it takes all of 5 seconds to say "you want to?" before proceeding.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 16:59:16 GMT -5
So whej dating someone, you always said "yes, I want to have sex with you" or did the fact that you were actively engaging in sex mean you wanted to have sex? This is all so ludicrous to me...Im now single and have had sex with guys..:I can't imagine having to stop and ask him if he really wants to have sex with me...it is kind of a given when both parties are going at it. So you've never been making out on the couch and had a guy ask "do you want to move into the bedroom?," because you answering "fuck yeah!" is what yes means yes is about. My own husband asks if I want to switch positions as opposed to just assuming I want to be flipped around. It's mutual respect and consideration for your partner. I'm not assuming anything just because I'm making out with someone. If I touch your pee-pee and you my hoo-ha, it takes all of 5 seconds to say "you want to?" before proceeding. No, I don't ask that...I really don't. I kind of think if my hand is on his crotch that I want to have sex
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 17:02:56 GMT -5
You don't see t as a bad thing if a boy winds up charged with rape because his willing participant Friday night decided Saturday that she never expressly confirmed that she wanted to have sex? I honestly don't get this line of thinking Did I say it wasn't a bad thing if a boy winds up charged with rape because his willing participant Friday night decided Saturday that she never expressly confirmed that she wanted to have sex? Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. I said I don't think it is a bad thing if it simply gets both parties to think before they act. As simple as that. Nothing more-nothing less. And if she has her hand on his little guy, undresses herself and they have sex...is he not right in thinking she wanted it? Should he be charged with rape because in his moment of lust he didn't think about some idiotic law meant to protect women because we clearly need to government to look out for what we do with our bodies....until we don't want the government involved in our bodies, that is
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Post by midjd on Oct 20, 2015 17:03:54 GMT -5
But I don't think that is what this is attempting to address. If you are laying there like a dead fish and just letting it happen, according to your argument, since you're not stopping it, it's not rape -- even if you've never indicated consent (through words or actions).
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2015 17:06:38 GMT -5
Did I say it wasn't a bad thing if a boy winds up charged with rape because his willing participant Friday night decided Saturday that she never expressly confirmed that she wanted to have sex? Stop putting words in my mouth I didn't say. I said I don't think it is a bad thing if it simply gets both parties to think before they act. As simple as that. Nothing more-nothing less. And if she has her hand on his little guy, undresses herself and they have sex...is he not right in thinking she wanted it? Should he be charged with rape because in his moment of lust he didn't think about some idiotic law meant to protect women because we clearly need to government to look out for what we do with our bodies....until we don't want the government involved in our bodies, that is Is there anything wrong with him asking her (in your scenario) if she wants to go all the way or her telling him that is as far as she wants to go? Speak to each other for Pete's sake. Now is not the time to be shy. Talk.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 17:13:43 GMT -5
And if she has her hand on his little guy, undresses herself and they have sex...is he not right in thinking she wanted it? Should he be charged with rape because in his moment of lust he didn't think about some idiotic law meant to protect women because we clearly need to government to look out for what we do with our bodies....until we don't want the government involved in our bodies, that is Is there anything wrong with him asking her (in your scenario) if she wants to go all the way or her telling him that is as far as she wants to go? Speak to each other for Pete's sake. Now is not the time to be shy. Talk. And you think it is really a crime if a female doesn't espressly tell the guy she is with that she consents to sex? A guy should really be charged with rape because they were hot and heavy and he didn't think about some law that says he needs to stop and actually ask her? Even though her mouth is wrapped around his....well, you get the picture
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Post by The Captain on Oct 20, 2015 17:16:12 GMT -5
I've posted the stats before on male rape, so I won't repeat that discussion. Maybe with this in place there is no plausible self deception (well I thought they wanted to go all the way, what do you mean they didn't...). The aggressor will have to be honest with themselves and know they continued the act even when the other party said no. The aggressor will have to live with the firm knowledge they are a rapist. I would hope that might give some pause. You also presume this situation applies only to hetro relationships - it's, I think, a good thing for all relationships. I just did a quick google search...91% of rape charges are lodged by females. considering that males make up half the population I stand by my statement that this is basically something to protect dumb females from their drunken decisions.
I agree with you that when a party says "NO" and the other person continues then that is rape...however, when a person doesn't say no and doesn't stop it, then no, it is not rape. Crying rape the next day is buyers remorse....I have enough pride in myself not to blame someone else for my mistakes.
Male rape is a seriously under reported crime. Especially bringing that thread back up, I become more convinced that we should train the next generations, maybe at an even younger age, that people should ask permission before touching them in certain ways. ymam.proboards.com/post/2194608If you want to look at it as a negative thing, I would say it's more to protect the guys from being charged by women for their drunken decisions. I prefer not to have that view, though.
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Post by justme on Oct 20, 2015 17:35:15 GMT -5
First of all, the hyperbole isn't needed. Nothing is to be signed. They're merely teaching kids to check in with the partners and make sure everyone is on the same page. How dare they teach them to be considerate of others! Is asking someone of they're still ok that burdensome? Is pausing before you unbutton someone's pants and wait for a nod or a yes that awful? No I haven't had accidental sex, but yes I've had to push a guy off me because one thing leads to another in his mind even though I said otherwise. I've had guys assume one thing leads to another and actually freaking argue with me when I said no and stopped me because I knew what was going to happen! So hell yes I believe that some women out there that aren't as sure of themselves, weren't raised to speak up, or are scared of making someone double their size mad don't say anything tells themselves they should have known that one thing always leads to another. But pushing a guy off you or saying no means you aren't consenting If I don't say no and I engage in sex I have no idea how anyone can say they didn't consent. I honestly don't I have had drunken sex...never in a million years would I blame that on the guy or claim rape. A bad decision on my part is not the responsibility of anyone but me It's great that you've never found yourself in a position where you were scared of the man wanting to have sex with you. It's great that right from the gate you knew exactly how things always are in sex. That you had no inexperienced, naive phase where you didn't entirely know what the next move was. That you didn't know what exactly one thing lead to. That your sexual education (either by your parents or you school) was so thorough that you didn't have questions or knowledge blanks. That your reflexes were always so quick that the 1.5 seconds it takes for someone to undo your bra or shove his hands down your pants you can stop him or move away. That in your life anytime you get naked with someone that means you're going to have sex and nothing else. But it's not like that for everyone out there. Everyone in the world is not you. And I wouldn't be surprised if more are the opposite of what I wrote above. And I have to point out, AGAIN, that the law does not change how rape is legally approached at all. The law is simply, purely, and only saying that high schools have to teach yes means yes.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 20, 2015 17:40:07 GMT -5
On the face of it I agree it's government overstepping boundaries at it's best. HOWEVER sometimes it takes legal action to drive changes in society. I do think a culture of requesting, as opposed to assuming, permission is healthier. Once can only hope that our grandkids will be shaking their heads in disgust at the necessity of this 40 years from now. Similar to the Civil Rights Act. I have yet to have a guy ask me if I want to have sex....that seems really bizarre and awkward...you start kissing and one thing leads to another...it IS assumed because if I didn't want to have sex I wouldn't be doing what I was doing....
I think this is crazy
If the guy is smooth enough pushing things from one level of intimacy to the next, the gal does have the impression it just happened. Guys know it doesn't. But see, this line of thinking pisses me the hell off. I am not some dumb female who can't be trusted to make the right decisions in life. If the guy were to slip a roofie, yes, that is rape. Two drunk kids going at it is not rape...and why is it the guy who gets charged with rape? Perhaps the guy would have said no but the unattractive fat girl got him liquored up and took advantage? I'm sure that happens, too.
Females are not perpetual victims. Please stop treating us as such.
Wait a minute. You said "you start kissing and one thing leads to another... ...". I was simply reacting to your statement that things just "happen" by indicating that it can seem that way. Actually, what happens is one person makes the conscious decision to move their lips towards the lips of the other person, the other person makes the conscious decision to move towards or stay put/move away, then one person makes the conscious decision to slip their tongue into action, the other person makes the conscious decision to bite/not bite the tongue off, then one person makes the conscious decision to slide a hand onto a body part, the other person makes the conscious decision to slap/not slap the hand away, then one person makes the conscious decision to slide their hand under clothing onto a body part, the other person makes the conscious decision to move away/not move away, etc, etc, etc. We can argue whether it is the male or female most likely to be the one that advances the level of intimacy and the other most likely to react/not react if you would like.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2015 17:44:52 GMT -5
Is there anything wrong with him asking her (in your scenario) if she wants to go all the way or her telling him that is as far as she wants to go? Speak to each other for Pete's sake. Now is not the time to be shy. Talk. And you think it is really a crime if a female doesn't espressly tell the guy she is with that she consents to sex? A guy should really be charged with rape because they were hot and heavy and he didn't think about some law that says he needs to stop and actually ask her? Even though her mouth is wrapped around his....well, you get the picture LOL. The only picture I am getting is you putting more words in my mouth.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 17:52:46 GMT -5
And you think it is really a crime if a female doesn't espressly tell the guy she is with that she consents to sex? A guy should really be charged with rape because they were hot and heavy and he didn't think about some law that says he needs to stop and actually ask her? Even though her mouth is wrapped around his....well, you get the picture LOL. The only picture I am getting is you putting more words in my mouth. Im not sure how...you think if the girl doesn't expressly say "I want to have sex with you" then she isn't consenting. Or am I misunderstanding what you have posted? Because if Im misunderstanding then we agree...actions can imply consent. I know I have willingly had sex without actually saying "let's heve sex"..:Im sure many people have. I never formally consented so does that mean I was raped?
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Post by Cookies Galore on Oct 20, 2015 18:00:27 GMT -5
I've posted the stats before on male rape, so I won't repeat that discussion. Maybe with this in place there is no plausible self deception (well I thought they wanted to go all the way, what do you mean they didn't...). The aggressor will have to be honest with themselves and know they continued the act even when the other party said no. The aggressor will have to live with the firm knowledge they are a rapist. I would hope that might give some pause. You also presume this situation applies only to hetro relationships - it's, I think, a good thing for all relationships. I just did a quick google search...91% of rape charges are lodged by females. considering that males make up half the population I stand by my statement that this is basically something to protect dumb females from their drunken decisions.
I agree with you that when a party says "NO" and the other person continues then that is rape...however, when a person doesn't say no and doesn't stop it, then no, it is not rape. Crying rape the next day is buyers remorse....I have enough pride in myself not to blame someone else for my mistakes.
The world isn't as black and white as you seem to see it. There is so much gray area out there that taking precautions to not get into a hazy situation isn't a bad thing. You keep mentioning drunk sex. So what happens if you are having crazy drunk sex (full disclosure, I've had it and still have it and it is enjoyable with my spouse) and you start to nod off and are mumbling about pizza? I would hope the guy (or girl, I'm all sexual in this scenario) would notice I'm not all there rather than end up in an iffy situation. Being actively engaged with your sex partner, be it verbally or otherwise, is not a bad thing. Communicating your willingness is not a bad thing.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 18:07:48 GMT -5
I just did a quick google search...91% of rape charges are lodged by females. considering that males make up half the population I stand by my statement that this is basically something to protect dumb females from their drunken decisions.
I agree with you that when a party says "NO" and the other person continues then that is rape...however, when a person doesn't say no and doesn't stop it, then no, it is not rape. Crying rape the next day is buyers remorse....I have enough pride in myself not to blame someone else for my mistakes.
The world isn't as black and white as you seem to see it. There is so much gray area out there that taking precautions to not get into a hazy situation isn't a bad thing. You keep mentioning drunk sex. So what happens if you are having crazy drunk sex (full disclosure, I've had it and still have it and it is enjoyable with my spouse) and you start to nod off and are mumbling about pizza? I would hope the guy (or girl, I'm all sexual in this scenario) would notice I'm not all there rather than end up in an iffy situation. Being actively engaged with your sex partner, be it verbally or otherwise, is not a bad thing. Communicating your willingness is not a bad thing. m But what if you are both blasted and have sex. He is just incoherent as you (not you persknaly)..:is that really rape? And who is doing the raping if both parties are too drunk to consent to sex I just find it crazy. I've done stuff I regret (drunk and sober!) but never would I blame someone else for my actions. I probably wouldn't have had sex with that person sober but that doesn't make it rape. It means I shouldn't be getting so drunk that I have sex with someone that I wouldn't have sex with sober
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 20, 2015 18:12:04 GMT -5
LOL. The only picture I am getting is you putting more words in my mouth. Im not sure how...you think if the girl doesn't expressly say "I want to have sex with you" then she isn't consenting. Or am I misunderstanding what you have posted? Because if Im misunderstanding then we agree...actions can imply consent. I know I have willingly had sex without actually saying "let's heve sex"..:Im sure many people have. I never formally consented so does that mean I was raped? All I want is for these high school kids (and adults too) to communicate, to take their time and go slow. If someone wants to ignore the advice, so be it. But they cannot claim they were not warned. I also have no dog in this race. Not every woman is you nor is every man me. And I have never understood why some folks think every person should be as smart, have as much common and street sense, and are as worldly as they are. People are not programmed that way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 18:13:12 GMT -5
If the guy is smooth enough pushing things from one level of intimacy to the next, the gal does have the impression it just happened. Guys know it doesn't. But see, this line of thinking pisses me the hell off. I am not some dumb female who can't be trusted to make the right decisions in life. If the guy were to slip a roofie, yes, that is rape. Two drunk kids going at it is not rape...and why is it the guy who gets charged with rape? Perhaps the guy would have said no but the unattractive fat girl got him liquored up and took advantage? I'm sure that happens, too.
Females are not perpetual victims. Please stop treating us as such.
It's not (for the most part anyway) guys that want women treated as perpetual victims. It's (mostly) women that want that. I'm not saying ALL women. But of the people that think women shouldn't be held accountable for their own decisions... women are in the vast majority over men.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Oct 20, 2015 18:34:36 GMT -5
But see, this line of thinking pisses me the hell off. I am not some dumb female who can't be trusted to make the right decisions in life. If the guy were to slip a roofie, yes, that is rape. Two drunk kids going at it is not rape...and why is it the guy who gets charged with rape? Perhaps the guy would have said no but the unattractive fat girl got him liquored up and took advantage? I'm sure that happens, too.
Females are not perpetual victims. Please stop treating us as such.
It's not (for the most part anyway) guys that want women treated as perpetual victims. It's (mostly) women that want that. I'm not saying ALL women. But of the people that think women shouldn't be held accountable for their own decisions... women are in the vast majority over men. I guess Im not a real woman...nothing pisses me off more than a victim mentality. If I screw up I own it. If I drink too much and have sex with someone I wouldn't have normally, I own it
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Post by Cookies Galore on Oct 20, 2015 18:36:35 GMT -5
The world isn't as black and white as you seem to see it. There is so much gray area out there that taking precautions to not get into a hazy situation isn't a bad thing. You keep mentioning drunk sex. So what happens if you are having crazy drunk sex (full disclosure, I've had it and still have it and it is enjoyable with my spouse) and you start to nod off and are mumbling about pizza? I would hope the guy (or girl, I'm all sexual in this scenario) would notice I'm not all there rather than end up in an iffy situation. Being actively engaged with your sex partner, be it verbally or otherwise, is not a bad thing. Communicating your willingness is not a bad thing. m But what if you are both blasted and have sex. He is just incoherent as you (not you persknaly)..:is that really rape? And who is doing the raping if both parties are too drunk to consent to sex I just find it crazy. I've done stuff I regret (drunk and sober!) but never would I blame someone else for my actions. I probably wouldn't have had sex with that person sober but that doesn't make it rape. It means I shouldn't be getting so drunk that I have sex with someone that I wouldn't have sex with sober Nobody is saying don't own your actions. Communicate! Teaching "yes" as the keyword isn't passing the buck on responsibility. I find yes to be personally empowering. Yes, I control my sexuality. Yes, I want to do that. No is extremely important, but yes is sex positive!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 18:36:46 GMT -5
First of all, the hyperbole isn't needed. Nothing is to be signed. They're merely teaching kids to check in with the partners and make sure everyone is on the same page. How dare they teach them to be considerate of others! Is asking someone of they're still ok that burdensome? Is pausing before you unbutton someone's pants and wait for a nod or a yes that awful? No I haven't had accidental sex, but yes I've had to push a guy off me because one thing leads to another in his mind even though I said otherwise. I've had guys assume one thing leads to another and actually freaking argue with me when I said no and stopped me because I knew what was going to happen! So hell yes I believe that some women out there that aren't as sure of themselves, weren't raised to speak up, or are scared of making someone double their size mad don't say anything tells themselves they should have known that one thing always leads to another. Yet. You mean "nothing to be signed yet". That's where it's headed. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point in time sex requires non-participatory witnesses of both genders in attendance DURING the sex as well. We should have just stopped with "no means no". "Yes means yes, but you have to keep asking me every 10 minutes, or every time you want to move to another 'base', before proceeding" is just stupid.
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Post by justme on Oct 20, 2015 18:39:17 GMT -5
First of all, the hyperbole isn't needed. Nothing is to be signed. They're merely teaching kids to check in with the partners and make sure everyone is on the same page. How dare they teach them to be considerate of others! Is asking someone of they're still ok that burdensome? Is pausing before you unbutton someone's pants and wait for a nod or a yes that awful? No I haven't had accidental sex, but yes I've had to push a guy off me because one thing leads to another in his mind even though I said otherwise. I've had guys assume one thing leads to another and actually freaking argue with me when I said no and stopped me because I knew what was going to happen! So hell yes I believe that some women out there that aren't as sure of themselves, weren't raised to speak up, or are scared of making someone double their size mad don't say anything tells themselves they should have known that one thing always leads to another. Yet. You mean "nothing to be signed yet". That's where it's headed. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point in time sex requires non-participatory witnesses of both genders in attendance DURING the sex as well. We should have just stopped with "no means no". "Yes means yes, but you have to keep asking me every 10 minutes, or every time you want to move to another 'base', before proceeding" is just stupid. What part of the law has absolutely nothing to do with the legal aspects of consent and rape do you not understand?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 18:54:40 GMT -5
I just did a quick google search...91% of rape charges are lodged by females. considering that males make up half the population I stand by my statement that this is basically something to protect dumb females from their drunken decisions.
I agree with you that when a party says "NO" and the other person continues then that is rape...however, when a person doesn't say no and doesn't stop it, then no, it is not rape. Crying rape the next day is buyers remorse....I have enough pride in myself not to blame someone else for my mistakes.
Male rape is a seriously under reported crime. Especially bringing that thread back up, I become more convinced that we should train the next generations, maybe at an even younger age, that people should ask permission before touching them in certain ways. ymam.proboards.com/post/2194608If you want to look at it as a negative thing, I would say it's more to protect the guys from being charged by women for their drunken decisions. I prefer not to have that view, though. If you mean it's "to protect the guys from being charged by women for the women's drunken decisions"... I would agree with you. That's what the whole BS "yes means yes, and get those yes's often while in the act" platform is about. It's not about protecting men from their mistakes... it's about protecting women from their choices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 19:00:27 GMT -5
It's not (for the most part anyway) guys that want women treated as perpetual victims. It's (mostly) women that want that. I'm not saying ALL women. But of the people that think women shouldn't be held accountable for their own decisions... women are in the vast majority over men. I guess Im not a real woman...nothing pisses me off more than a victim mentality. If I screw up I own it. If I drink too much and have sex with someone I wouldn't have normally, I own it I never meant to cast aspersions on your womanhood status. I was referring to if you gathered up all the people that want treat women as perpetual victims, put them in a room somewhere, and then divided them up by gender... MOST of the people in that room would be female. I wasn't saying that all females of the world would be in that group.
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