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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 14, 2015 20:56:18 GMT -5
As silly as the movies are, I have always been a big fan of Austin Powers movies. I enjoyed the Netherlands and its citizens back in the very early 70s while visiting 'Europe On Five Dollars A Day'. I'd always heard the northern Europeans were rather cold and unapproachable. I never found it so. Even the Swiss and Austrians, for all their reputation, weren't that way, at all. If you made an effort they happily met you half-way. I have travelled from Spain to Greece to Sweden to Italy and I was always treated as a friend, especially the yia-yia who swept her small family's inn in Athens each morning. Hugged me to death in her grandmotherly way.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 14, 2015 21:06:43 GMT -5
I was actually invited to Greece this summer by my BIL's yia yia, so I'd have a place to stay. Good thing I didn't go...she said tourists are avoiding it like the plague with the refugee tsunami. Can't catch a train, can't go to the beach or parks or public squares. They're losing a fortune in tourist dollars.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 14, 2015 21:27:23 GMT -5
Are you suicidal? If you had the.option to die, would you take it? No, but there are times when I think it's the only way of escaping. How long does that last? I don't think suicide should be a spur of the moment decision. You would have to do all the counseling and have the waiting period. During that time, the doctors can adjust your meds and what-not. If there is any improvement, you don't have to go through with it.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 15, 2015 0:39:02 GMT -5
I was actually invited to Greece this summer by my BIL's yia yia, so I'd have a place to stay. Good thing I didn't go...she said tourists are avoiding it like the plague with the refugee tsunami. Can't catch a train, can't go to the beach or parks or public squares. They're losing a fortune in tourist dollars. That's a shame. I adore Greece. It's a wonderful place to just wander around. So much to see and so much fascinating history.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 15, 2015 6:52:08 GMT -5
I'm worried about DS and his girlfriend going to Italy. You always had to worry about thieves but now...
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 15, 2015 7:46:55 GMT -5
I'm worried about DS and his girlfriend going to Italy. You always had to worry about thieves but now... Buy them belly wallets or flip belts. I found mine surprisingly comfortable.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 15, 2015 8:01:28 GMT -5
That's a given but now with all those criminals infesting the area, how safe is it? It's one thing to be robbed, it sucks but it's just stuff, but these are grown men who are nothing but criminals escaping their own cesspool of a country to ruin another one. The people who live there or are visiting mean nothing to them. Only their lives matter.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 15, 2015 11:23:57 GMT -5
Actually, most of these people are NOT criminals. Most of these people are ordinary people who are fleeing their country(s) because as bad as being a refugee is, their chances at home are worse. I really do have some sympathy for them. And for Europe having to deal with this.
It is nice to see the Saudi's step up and offer to help take some of the tide of humanity. (Sarcasm, intended)
I've been curious why all these refugees seem intent to go to Germany. There are wealthy countries closer, like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Or go the other way to South Africa. It seems a long trek to get to Germany. Maybe they figure Germany has one of the strongest European economies so it can support a few hundred thousand refugees?
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 15, 2015 11:26:53 GMT -5
Actually, most of these people are NOT criminals. Most of these people are ordinary people who are fleeing their country(s) because as bad as being a refugee is, their chances at home are worse. I really do have some sympathy for them. And for Europe having to deal with this.
It is nice to see the Saudi's step up and offer to help take some of the tide of humanity. (Sarcasm, intended)
I've been curious why all these refugees seem intent to go to Germany. There are wealthy countries closer, like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Or go the other way to South Africa. It seems a long trek to get to Germany. Maybe they figure Germany has one of the strongest European economies so it can support a few hundred thousand refugees? Why Germany? Very generous welfare benefits.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 15, 2015 18:35:21 GMT -5
Why not their own countries? They've already ruined them. The Middle East countries don't want them and won't let them in. So much for "brotherhood." They're laughing their asses off at the stupidity of the countries taking them in. They'll breed and mooch them out of existence.
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 15, 2015 21:21:33 GMT -5
Kuwait official explains why they won't accept refugees.
"Kuwait and the other Gulf Cooperation Council countries are too valuable to accept any refugees. Our countries are only fit for workers. Its too costly to relocate them here. Kuwait is too expensive for them anyway. As opposed to Lebanon and Turkey which are cheap. They are better suited for the Syrian refugees. In the end, it is not right for us to accept a people that are different from us. We don’t want people that suffer from internal stress and trauma in our country."
Update: Breitbart has a story on this issue where the Gulf States present another more realistic reason for their reluctance to accept the so called refugees, and that is that they cannot accept the risk of terrorism that such an influx brings. This of course is a completely valid reason, one that applies to Western countries as well.
Especially when ISIS is openly declaring its intent to have its agents mingle with the so called refugees, and proclaiming that 4000 have entered Europe by this means already.
truebluenz.com/2015/09/06/kuwaiti-official-explains-why-gulf-states-cannot-accept-refugees/
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Post by MJ2.0 on Sept 16, 2015 13:00:48 GMT -5
Cuz you know none of the oil countries have issues.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 16, 2015 13:55:08 GMT -5
Man has this thread morphed. I had to double check where it started.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 17, 2015 17:28:50 GMT -5
I am sitting here with my very old cat who is not having a good day. I am trying to figure out if she is ready for this to be her last day. I can't imagine that anyone on earth would take these kinds of decisions lightly. I believe in the right to die, and wished assisted suicide was legal, so people could say what they wanted, and someone else could make it happen. But, nobody would just start killing off all the grannys of the world - just because they can. It is always a heartbreaking decision - even if we all know it is the right thing to do.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 17, 2015 18:13:34 GMT -5
I am sitting here with my very old cat who is not having a good day. I am trying to figure out if she is ready for this to be her last day. I can't imagine that anyone on earth would take these kinds of decisions lightly. I believe in the right to die, and wished assisted suicide was legal, so people could say what they wanted, and someone else could make it happen. But, nobody would just start killing off all the grannys of the world - just because they can. It is always a heartbreaking decision - even if we all know it is the right thing to do. I take it day-by-day with my 20-year-old cat. Not an easy decision for man nor beast.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 17, 2015 18:25:40 GMT -5
I am sitting here with my very old cat who is not having a good day. I am trying to figure out if she is ready for this to be her last day. I can't imagine that anyone on earth would take these kinds of decisions lightly. I believe in the right to die, and wished assisted suicide was legal, so people could say what they wanted, and someone else could make it happen. But, nobody would just start killing off all the grannys of the world - just because they can. It is always a heartbreaking decision - even if we all know it is the right thing to do. I'm so sorry, thyme. When our beloved pets get so old life's no fun anymore, we're stuck having to make the decision regarding what's best and kindest. It's always so darned hard to do!
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 17, 2015 18:50:52 GMT -5
CousCous was as bouncy as a kitten at 20. He never slowed down a bit. Then, one day, he just stopped eating, and I knew it was time. I think that's why my son couldn't accept it and insisted we do everything under the sun to save him. "Mom, we can do a kidney transplant! A liver transplant! Something! Anything!"
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Post by Ombud on Sept 17, 2015 21:20:37 GMT -5
I understand that this thread has veered way off course but I wanted to respond to this: apparently Gov. Brown is threatening to veto it . . . don't have a link, this info comes from a lobbyist friend in Sacto. He has only 3 more days to do so or it becomes law by default
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 1, 2015 9:49:02 GMT -5
The rest of the states? Nah. Let's just keep it going in the BLUE states.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 9:57:58 GMT -5
Why not their own countries? They've already ruined them. . THEY? LOL! hahahahaha.... they have already ruined them..... oh man, that is nifty. edit: this elevates victim blaming to an art form.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 10:01:32 GMT -5
The rest of the states? Nah. Let's just keep it going in the BLUE states. what? you want to bankrupt yourselves on medical care to keep you "alive"? are you sure you have thought that one through?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Oct 1, 2015 10:30:11 GMT -5
I get that no one wants to feel that sick people will be pressured to end their lives but for those of us who wish a QUAlity of life, why should our choice be taken away because someone might want to inherit faster? Or because the government would rather not pay for treatment, or might save a buck on SS if you died sooner. Who the hell knows- maybe you're just meat on a tray to them. Perhaps they've already got your organs line-itemed out for sale. Can you really trust anyone these days?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 10:44:31 GMT -5
I get that no one wants to feel that sick people will be pressured to end their lives but for those of us who wish a QUAlity of life, why should our choice be taken away because someone might want to inherit faster? Or because the government would rather not pay for treatment, or might save a buck on SS if you died sooner. Who the hell knows- maybe you're just meat on a tray to them. Perhaps they've already got your organs line-itemed out for sale. Can you really trust anyone these days? what does government have to do with it? from where i sit, government has gotten OUT of this decision. personally, i would like them to get out of the SUICIDE debate altogether. if i want to kill myself, that is between me and maybe my family. the government should have nothing to do with it. edit: here is an example of a LIBERAL arguing in favor of increasing PERSONAL LIBERTY, and you....what the hell ARE you doing, Paul?
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Post by Ombud on Oct 1, 2015 11:06:27 GMT -5
I'm worried about DS and his girlfriend going to Italy. You always had to worry about thieves but now... Buy them belly wallets or flip belts. I found mine surprisingly comfortable. I just stick my passport, cc, and €€ in my front pocket. .... jeans too snug for me to not notice
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 1, 2015 11:26:39 GMT -5
I'm more worried about them getting mugged
Back to euthanasia, the govt has zero to do with MY feelings. They actually have a vested interest in keeping me alive. Alive, I pay their ridiculous taxes to support their parasitic causes and their bloated salaries and perks
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 12:00:33 GMT -5
I'm more worried about them getting mugged Back to euthanasia, the govt has zero to do with MY feelings. They actually have a vested interest in keeping me alive. Alive, I pay their ridiculous taxes to support their parasitic causes and their bloated salaries and perks moreover, the euthanasia law doesn't FORCE you to kill yourself. it gives you the OPTION of doing it. if you want to stay hooked up to some machine, helpless and staring out at a world you can no longer taste or feel, be my guest. i don't.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2015 12:08:18 GMT -5
DJ-what is the date for Gov. Brown to approve/sign or veto the law? I knew he had a certain number of days to consider it but I thought that would have come and gone by now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 12:16:07 GMT -5
DJ-what is the date for Gov. Brown to approve/sign or veto the law? I knew he had a certain number of days to consider it but I thought that would have come and gone by now. 60 days. i believe Brown is a Catholic, so this will not be an easy choice for him. edit: i was thinking of legislative review. it appears that i was WAY off on this. see below....
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2015 12:34:51 GMT -5
DJ-what is the date for Gov. Brown to approve/sign or veto the law? I knew he had a certain number of days to consider it but I thought that would have come and gone by now. 60 days. i believe Brown is a Catholic, so this will not be an easy choice for him. That's a rather long sit-on-it time period to review. Thanks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 13:16:11 GMT -5
60 days. i believe Brown is a Catholic, so this will not be an easy choice for him. That's a rather long sit-on-it time period to review. Thanks. yeah, i am pretty sure that is accurate. it might be 30, but i am pretty sure it is 60. that would be 11/11/15.
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