After The Shooting Today Let's Round Up Those Guns,

[OldCoyote]

OK,  Let's say that we now have that not only required All guns to be registered, All gun owners have extensive background checks, and all gun owners are required to turn over their guns,

Now that all the law biding citizens have turned over their gun, What do you do about the 150 million guns that were not turned over.

So what do you do now?  bring in the military, search every square inch of the country,  every house, every business, every car, truck?  Why stop with guns?  let's go for drugs, illegal porn,

You know we have too many die from alcohol, let's grab that too,  Better check the finance of everyone during this search can't have people shorting the government here.  

After all  this searching is really going to cost a lot of money.

So after all my exaggerating,  I would like to hear how this realistically could be handled.  

Background checks on everyone,  Just how are you going to enforce that?  

[billisonboard]

Aug 26, 2015 22:59:46 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

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I would like to hear how this realistically could be handled.  

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What exactly is "this" that you want to hear about?

[OldCoyote]

I want to hear ideas that would actually work,  

We can pass all kind of laws,   Drugs are a great example,  All kinds of laws, Huge amount of money spent on enforcement.

Does it stop the flow of drugs at all?

Does it even slow it up?

[billisonboard]

Aug 26, 2015 23:15:18 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

I want to hear ideas that would actually work,  

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Work to do what?

[OldCoyote]

sum dum gai,  does that work with illegal drugs,  seems to be pretty stiff penalties for that,    it's not working.

[OldCoyote]

Now that we have made the penalties so hard, will this increase the gun battles in an attempt to get away because you are going to jail for a long time?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 26, 2015 23:40:28 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Aug 26, 2015 23:36:26 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Now that we have made the penalties so hard, will this increase the gun battles in an attempt to get away because you are going to jail for a long time?

Assuming they don't register and risk the prison time, which I don't think most people would, yeah it might. However that just saves us the cost of locking them up. It's a win win... sorta.

i was on a board with a guy that suggested the death penalty for drug possession.  he seemed to think that would fix it right up.

i told him he was an idiot.

[Spellbound454]

We don't have nearly as much gun crime in the UK because to the general public they are illegal.

Farmers can have them...and shooting clubs.

but there aren't a lot in circulation....and the police don't usually have them.

If anyone is brandishing a firearm, the local SWAT teams have a shoot-to-kill policy.

It doesn't stop the odd crazy.......but our hearts were broken over the Dunblane school massacre, when a class of five year olds were killed by a nutter.

So the general public don't want them.

I can understand people in the US feeling vulnerable in sparsely populated regions.

You could call a SWAT team.... and be dead by the time they arrive.

but do you really need them in cities? 

[mroped]

It seems that the American public at large picks and chooses what laws to abide by.
Remember the discussion about the "illegals"? 
The general consensus amongst a certain part of the populous is that they should be thrown in jail and deported.
What if a law is passed saying that if you don't register your guns or do a background check when you privately aquire one we will throw your ass in jail?

I presume that wouldn't work due to the common "it is my second amendment" shpeal.

The fact of the matter is that there is a law that require all guns to be registered even when they are inherited and such.
Do we pick and choose what laws to abide by?

[wvugurl26]

Even in cities you could be dead long before help arrives. Maryland already requires class from state police, background check and registration of hand guns. It's done nothing to reduce crime. Baltimore is as deadly as ever.

The problem is people who think this is acceptable behavior. Normal mentally healthy people do not think you kill old coworkers to settle a score. That's the problem in this country. Gun control does not fix mental health issues. And those people wouldn't care about the laws anyway.

[zibazinski]

The difference is one IS illegal and one isn't. The fact that our piece of shit govt doesn't enforce the laws regarding illegals has no bearing on gun laws. When the govt enforces the law, not picking and choosing, then maybe that's another story.

[mroped]

So, if I got this right: the government choosing not to enforce the gun laws which are requiring all be registered is OK because our inherent right to bear arms but deciding not to pursue some shmuck looking for a better life is absolutely outrageous or something as such.

the law is the law!
Be it crossing the border illegally or having an unregistered weapon is all the same: the law has been broken. Period!
How each of these offenses gets addressed and punished(or should be) is irrelevant.
We should not be picking and choosing.

[zibazinski]

Spoken by an illegal, it speaks volumes. You have no respect for the law of this country but twist to suit your purposes. Then you bad mouth its policies. Also typical biting the hand that feeds you mentality. 

[zibazinski]

law abiding people register their guns. Law abiding people aren't here illegaly. 

[OldCoyote]

Value Buy Started a thread "Welcome to Chiraq" which shows the shooting in Chicago.

Chicago has some of the strongest gun laws in the nation.

This just shows that laws don't work for part of society.

[PK Bucko]

Now that all the law biding citizens have turned over their gun, What do you do about the 150 million guns that were not turned over.

So what do you do now? bring in the military, search every square inch of the country, every house, every business, every car, truck?

This is the question that the Utopians can never answer. Because that is the only way to do it. Military searching, interrogating, confiscating, forcibly removing,  house to house, car to car, person to person, etc.

[OldCoyote]

Here is a study on firearms, I would question the accurateness of it.

It points out the level of firearms to Australia, A country that has full gun control.

They never mention anther country that has gun control,  Mexico,   Hmmm,   wonder how that works?

www.aol.com/article/2015/08/26/a-look-at-gun-violence-in-america/21227714/?icid=maing-grid7%7Caol20-g%7Cdl17%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D-577113664

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 8:43:22 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

The difference is one IS illegal and one isn't. The fact that our piece of shit govt doesn't enforce the laws regarding illegals has no bearing on gun laws. When the govt enforces the law, not picking and choosing, then maybe that's another story.

wrong.

an AK-47 is not legal.  neither are cannons and hand grenades.  they are analogous to heroin and cocaine.

CERTAIN TYPES of guns are legal.  CERTAIN TYPES of drugs are legal.

and before you think i am saying that all guns should be made illegal, you might consider my stance on drugs.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 10:35:58 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Here is a study on firearms, I would question the accurateness of it.

It points out the level of firearms to Australia, A country that has full gun control.

They never mention anther country that has gun control,  Mexico,   Hmmm,   wonder how that works?

www.aol.com/article/2015/08/26/a-look-at-gun-violence-in-america/21227714/?icid=maing-grid7%7Caol20-g%7Cdl17%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D-577113664

the country with highest gun possession is Switzerland.  in fact, it is a legal REQUIREMENT for citizens to own guns there.

what is their homicide rate?

next consideration: WHY?

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 7:21:06 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Even in cities you could be dead long before help arrives. Maryland already requires class from state police, background check and registration of hand guns. It's done nothing to reduce crime. Baltimore is as deadly as ever.

The problem is people who think this is acceptable behavior. Normal mentally healthy people do not think you kill old coworkers to settle a score. That's the problem in this country. Gun control does not fix mental health issues. And those people wouldn't care about the laws anyway.

10 points to the woman in the horns!!!! 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 10:21:24 GMT -5 PK Bucko said:

Now that all the law biding citizens have turned over their gun, What do you do about the 150 million guns that were not turned over.

So what do you do now? bring in the military, search every square inch of the country, every house, every business, every car, truck?

This is the question that the Utopians can never answer. Because that is the only way to do it. Military searching, interrogating, confiscating, forcibly removing,  house to house, car to car, person to person, etc.

oh, they can answer it.  but not without looking like fascists.

[zibazinski]

They could get rid of illegals the same way. But it'd look bad do they won't. It's a lot of rhetoric and no action. Typical.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 11:27:02 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

They could get rid of illegals the same way. But it'd look bad do they won't. It's a lot of rhetoric and no action. Typical.

it's not just that.  at a certain point, there is a immoral aspect of HOW you do things, even if the IDEA is moral.

balancing the two is how democracies work.

[mroped]

Aug 27, 2015 9:19:16 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Spoken by an illegal, it speaks volumes. You have no respect for the law of this country but twist to suit your purposes. Then you bad mouth its policies. Also typical biting the hand that feeds you mentality. 

I should be offended but for some reason I'm not!

I was just pointing out that we choose what laws to conform to and what laws not to care about. Everybody does it, legal or illegal.

Just wanna make sure that you understand this as not to bring it up again: I am a legal citizen of this country! Did I enter illegally? Yes and no matter what there would never be an excuse for that. However, once in I conformed with the laws of the country including paying taxes. 
Also, I own guns and I support everyone's second amendment rights. My guns are legally purchased following the letter of the law- background check with each and every one of them- but if the chance arises and I find a gun that I want or like on a private venue I'll do just what everybody else does and buy the gun without a background check.

this will always happen no mater what the liberals or anybody else wants.
Just the same as the illegal immigration. Will always happen no mater how many miles of fence you put up or how many hands you put on patrol. There will always be a way around it.

People are creative and find a challenge in "breaking the law"

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 11:57:08 GMT -5 mroped said:

Aug 27, 2015 9:19:16 GMT -5 zibazinski said:

Spoken by an illegal, it speaks volumes. You have no respect for the law of this country but twist to suit your purposes. Then you bad mouth its policies. Also typical biting the hand that feeds you mentality. 

I should be offended but for some reason I'm not!

I was just pointing out that we choose what laws to conform to and what laws not to care about. Everybody does it, legal or illegal.

Just wanna make sure that you understand this as not to bring it up again: I am a legal citizen of this country! Did I enter illegally? Yes and no matter what there would never be an excuse for that. However, once in I conformed with the laws of the country including paying taxes. 
Also, I own guns and I support everyone's second amendment rights. My guns are legally purchased following the letter of the law- background check with each and every one of them- but if the chance arises and I find a gun that I want or like on a private venue I'll do just what everybody else does and buy the gun without a background check.

this will always happen no mater what the liberals or anybody else wants.
Just the same as the illegal immigration. Will always happen no mater how many miles of fence you put up or how many hands you put on patrol. There will always be a way around it.

People are creative and find a challenge in "breaking the law"

or, as Bill Clinton once said: "It's the economy, stupid".

[Tennesseer]

Aug 27, 2015 9:50:27 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Value Buy Started a thread "Welcome to Chiraq" which shows the shooting in Chicago.

Chicago has some of the strongest gun laws in the nation.

This just shows that laws don't work for part of society.

What exactly are some of the (Chicago) strongest gun laws in the nation?

[happyhoix]

If we wanted to go the way of UK or other European countries that have very tight gun laws, we would stop legal gun sales of all the forbidden types of guns (I would assume, like the UK, we would allow guns for hunters and farmers).

Once the legal sales through stores, internet purchases and gun shows dried up, we would continue to destroy confiscated weapons obtained during criminal arrests or raids on criminal properties. It would take years, but gradually the vast underground market on guns would shrink dramatically.

They would never go away completely, but if the source dried up, they would get a lot harder for the criminals to obtain.

Although I am not advocating doing this. I used to be pro-gun control because I thought we could copy countries like the UK and reduce our murder rate.  I've decided, however, that there is just some violent undercurrent in American society that drives people to turn on each other, whether with guns or knives or running them over with cars. With no other options, we would be beating each other to death with our hands. This violent animosity towards each other seems to be growing. Tolerating school shootings and disgruntled employees killing their coworkers and posting it on social media is just part of American life, like apple pie and Mom.

[midjd]

I used to be pro-gun control because I thought we could copy countries like the UK and reduce our murder rate. I've decided, however, that there is just some violent undercurrent in American society that drives people to turn on each other, whether with guns or knives or running them over with cars. With no other options, we would be beating each other to death with our hands. This violent animosity towards each other seems to be growing. Tolerating school shootings and disgruntled employees killing their coworkers and posting it on social media is just part of American life, like apple pie and Mom.

Depressing, but I agree with you.

I read an article about how you can now buy a $1,200 3D printer that will fabricate the lower register(?) of an AR-15, which allows you to build an entirely untraceable gun yourself. It's not illegal to build them, just to sell them. 

With that kind of technology readily available, I think at some point we just have to admit defeat. Perhaps once the "war on guns" has ended, we can use all the NRA lobbying dollars to open up some free mental health institutions. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 14:39:01 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If we wanted to go the way of UK or other European countries that have very tight gun laws, we would stop legal gun sales of all the forbidden types of guns (I would assume, like the UK, we would allow guns for hunters and farmers).

Once the legal sales through stores, internet purchases and gun shows dried up, we would continue to destroy confiscated weapons obtained during criminal arrests or raids on criminal properties. It would take years, but gradually the vast underground market on guns would shrink dramatically.

They would never go away completely, but if the source dried up, they would get a lot harder for the criminals to obtain.

Although I am not advocating doing this. I used to be pro-gun control because I thought we could copy countries like the UK and reduce our murder rate.  I've decided, however, that there is just some violent undercurrent in American society that drives people to turn on each other, whether with guns or knives or running them over with cars. With no other options, we would be beating each other to death with our hands. This violent animosity towards each other seems to be growing. Tolerating school shootings and disgruntled employees killing their coworkers and posting it on social media is just part of American life, like apple pie and Mom.

i am not sure it is even a violent undercurrent, but i will agree that i think it is "mental".  it is how we think, somehow. 

part of it might be that we don't trust each other.  i would like to offer this board as an example of this.

there are many posters here that have a fundamentally negative view of humanity.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 27, 2015 16:02:24 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

there are many posters here that have a fundamentally negative view of humanity.

It's not my fault that so many of the rest of you suck. I'm just honest about it.

not me.  i am sweet like sugar.