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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2015 11:40:53 GMT -5
Do you know someone that you that has issues similar to Flanagan, Yes, I do He is a big man, 6' 6" 260#, not fat! scares everyone around him when he goes off, I have told him a couple of times "maybe you need to find another job" He hates guns, but loves knives, Has told me about his knife fighting skills, there I know that made you feel better. totally. a knife fight can get ugly. even fatal. but someone skilled in defense can make it very difficult on a guy with a knife. in other words, he might get me, he might not, but he sure as hell is not going to get anyone else.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2015 11:41:57 GMT -5
Deal. I really don't think you'll find as much opposition to this proposal as you assumed you would. It was proposed- several times, actually. Voted down by Democrats on every occasion. i'm not a Democrat. we answered your question. deal with it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2015 11:46:00 GMT -5
incapacitated is not mentally ill? of course not. you are responsible for being incapacitated. let's leave welfare out of it for now, mmkay? no welfare for ME tho. i don't need it. No can do. Big government and libertarianism are incompatible. Your lifestyle choices are YOUR choices unless or until they impact others, and in the case of welfare, if you can't or won't support yourself, the rest of us shouldn't have to if the reason is your decision to use drugs. you either believe in personal freedom, or you don't. you either believe in welfare, or you don't. in your case, you believe in personal freedom, and you don't believe in welfare, so there is no discussion to be had. if you believe in both, THEN we can discuss the matter.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2015 11:50:14 GMT -5
He always tilted left, but he believed the complete bullshit about George W. Bush "stealing" the election, i believe it, as well. fervently.and has stated publicly several times that he thinks the assassination of Republicans is justified because they are only elected through voter intimidation and systematic fraud through hacking electronic voting machines. He's a regular left wing Alex Jones. i don't believe in violence as a solution. if others do, that is fine- until they act on their beliefs. Alex Jones is to the left what Glenn Beck is to the right: absolute whackadoodle.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2015 11:54:13 GMT -5
i think we can all agree that the mentally unstable shouldn't have guns: BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT.
i doubt MOST of us would disagree that the majority of the crazies are not of one political persuasion or another. mostly, these people are deeply confused about things- and paranoid- and angry. and that deep confusion is a cause of the action, not the politics.
i know that SOME will disagree with that, but that is because they are more interested in playing political games than looking at the problem.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 28, 2015 12:06:29 GMT -5
i think we can all agree that the mentally unstable shouldn't have guns: BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT. i doubt MOST of us would disagree that the majority of the crazies are not of one political persuasion or another. mostly, these people are deeply confused about things- and paranoid- and angry. and that deep confusion is a cause of the action, not the politics. i know that SOME will disagree with that, but that is because they are more interested in playing political games than looking at the problem. So true, dj! There is no correlation between mental illness (minor or major) and political stance. Biology doesn't have a political party; nor, do life-shattering events.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 28, 2015 13:48:13 GMT -5
i think we can all agree that the mentally unstable shouldn't have guns: BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT. i doubt MOST of us would disagree that the majority of the crazies are not of one political persuasion or another. mostly, these people are deeply confused about things- and paranoid- and angry. and that deep confusion is a cause of the action, not the politics. i know that SOME will disagree with that, but that is because they are more interested in playing political games than looking at the problem. Some of us understand extremely well that the Democratic party has gone full tyrant, and that they will exploit ANY loophole they can to disarm those that might pose a threat to them wielding absolute power. Therefore, I do approach with extreme caution, the notion that an individual's unalienable right to defend their life and property from any threat, INCLUDING the threat of their own government-- just as our founders believed-- ought to be subject to the scrutiny of, and have place upon it conditions determined by that government. In short- the gun control crowd will do anything they have to do- by hook or by crook- to get away with as much as they possibly can towards the end of disarming individual citizens and concentrating all guns in the hands of government. We have to be especially cautious in light of recent Supreme Court decisions, that something that could be as broadly interpreted as "mental illness" could obstruct the right of an individual to keep and bear arms. You might call it playing political games, but a failure to recognize this government as an ever present threat to our rights is not "playing political games" it is vigilance.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 28, 2015 13:59:40 GMT -5
i think we can all agree that the mentally unstable shouldn't have guns: BOTH LEFT AND RIGHT. i doubt MOST of us would disagree that the majority of the crazies are not of one political persuasion or another. mostly, these people are deeply confused about things- and paranoid- and angry. and that deep confusion is a cause of the action, not the politics. i know that SOME will disagree with that, but that is because they are more interested in playing political games than looking at the problem. Some of us understand extremely well that the Democratic party has gone full tyrant, yeah, i am not one of them, Paul. sorry. i think that the Democratic Party is not terribly different than the GOP, and both are mildly authoritarian. and yeah, we should watch that. carefully. but fearing it is not really something i am doing now, nor plan on ever doing.
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Post by Opti on Aug 28, 2015 14:32:47 GMT -5
Understand might not be the word you should use here. I don't get the gun paranoia, but then I don't get the appeal of being worried and afraid constantly either. I try to figure out how things are going to work out even in bad situations. Getting all melodramatic and spending the days worrying seems like a good way to die early of a heart attack.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 29, 2015 10:10:15 GMT -5
Do you know someone that you that has issues similar to Flanagan, Yes, I do He is a big man, 6' 6" 260#, not fat! scares everyone around him when he goes off, I have told him a couple of times "maybe you need to find another job" He hates guns, but loves knives, Has told me about his knife fighting skills, there I know that made you feel better. totally. a knife fight can get ugly. even fatal. but someone skilled in defense can make it very difficult on a guy with a knife. in other words, he might get me, he might not, but he sure as hell is not going to get anyone else. If this man had a knife instead of a gun it may not have made any difference, Because the man came up behind the camera man, he would have been still toast, The girl depending on whether or not she was aware of that talking to interviewee, would have been just how fast she could run.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 29, 2015 10:13:49 GMT -5
The only decent thing that creep did was off himself.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 29, 2015 13:10:54 GMT -5
totally. a knife fight can get ugly. even fatal. but someone skilled in defense can make it very difficult on a guy with a knife. in other words, he might get me, he might not, but he sure as hell is not going to get anyone else. If this man had a knife instead of a gun it may not have made any difference, Because the man came up behind the camera man, he would have been still toast, The girl depending on whether or not she was aware of that talking to interviewee, would have been just how fast she could run. first of all, if someone comes up behind you, you can still defend yourself, depending on when you notice. second, i wasn't necessarily talking about this incident. someone mentioned that if knives were used, then the same thing would have happened. i respectfully suggest that it would have been a lot tougher for the same thing to happen. finally, there was a third person caught in the gunfire who survived. the idea that she would have even been NICKED by a knife in this seems very unlikely to me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 29, 2015 13:11:46 GMT -5
The only decent thing that creep did was off himself. you don't know that. he might have been nice to a kitten once.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 29, 2015 13:52:53 GMT -5
Probably not. I find whack jobs to start on animals. Anything or anyone helpless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:45:36 GMT -5
When he commented on the church shootings he said that the mass shootings mostly happen in this country, in a push for more gun restrictions. In Tunisia, a lone gunman killed over thirty British and Irish tourists just a couple of days after that church shooting. Seemed to be no mention of that in the major media or by Obama. not our problem. it is Tunisia's. That's why he says it only happens here. A simple glossing over of the obvious, everyone does it, when they have an agenda.
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I don't think our potus is going to claim a possible kinship with a black shooter on killing two whites, regardless of statements made or not made. Our potus is racist after the Trayvon Martin statement of "he could of been his son". ok, i must have misunderstood you. i thought you were talking about racism. my mistake. I was, but your mistakes are acceptable as we are not perfect.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 2, 2015 12:55:36 GMT -5
not our problem. it is Tunisia's. That's why he says it only happens here. A simple glossing over of the obvious, everyone does it, when they have an agenda. i don't want Tunisia's problems to be part of our agenda. do you? i think we can find enough problems here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 12:57:00 GMT -5
When he commented on the church shootings he said that the mass shootings mostly happen in this country, in a push for more gun restrictions. In Tunisia, a lone gunman killed over thirty British and Irish tourists just a couple of days after that church shooting. Seemed to be no mention of that in the major media or by Obama. About 992,000 results. Feel free to weed out yourself the media articles. tunisia terrorist attack 2015As DJ noted, the massacre happened in another country and did not involve U.S. citizens so no need for Rose Garden comments by Obama. But the White House did make a statement: The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate ReleaseJune 26, 2015 Statement by the Press Secretary on Attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia
The United States condemns in the strongest terms the terrorist attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia today. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of these heinous attacks, their loved ones, and the people of all three countries. As the President has discussed with his French, Kuwaiti, and Tunisian counterparts in recent weeks, we are resolute and united in our shared effort to fight the scourge of terrorism.
We stand with these nations as they respond to attacks on their soil today, and we have been in contact with appropriate counterparts in all three countries to offer any necessary support. Terrorism has no place in any society, and the United States will continue to work closely with our international partners to combat terrorist actors and counter violent extremism around the globe. Statement by the Press Secretary on Attacks in France, Kuwait, and TunisiaThen why would he claim it only happens here after the church shooting ? “We don’t have all the facts but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,” added Obama. “At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries and it is in our power to do something about it.” www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjAGahUKEwj04OWc9djHAhWODJIKHceND6c&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2015%2Fjun%2F18%2Fcharleston-church-shooting-obama-calls-gun-control&usg=AFQjCNFNVNNqlTEKmbXcXT1ux--T0IIdIw
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:00:57 GMT -5
That's why he says it only happens here. A simple glossing over of the obvious, everyone does it, when they have an agenda. i don't want Tunisia's problems to be part of our agenda. do you? i think we can find enough problems here. I agree. Obama should be truthful and not claim mass shootings only happen here. See reply #113 with link and quote.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 2, 2015 13:06:07 GMT -5
About 992,000 results. Feel free to weed out yourself the media articles. tunisia terrorist attack 2015As DJ noted, the massacre happened in another country and did not involve U.S. citizens so no need for Rose Garden comments by Obama. But the White House did make a statement: The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate ReleaseJune 26, 2015 Statement by the Press Secretary on Attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia
The United States condemns in the strongest terms the terrorist attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia today. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of these heinous attacks, their loved ones, and the people of all three countries. As the President has discussed with his French, Kuwaiti, and Tunisian counterparts in recent weeks, we are resolute and united in our shared effort to fight the scourge of terrorism.
We stand with these nations as they respond to attacks on their soil today, and we have been in contact with appropriate counterparts in all three countries to offer any necessary support. Terrorism has no place in any society, and the United States will continue to work closely with our international partners to combat terrorist actors and counter violent extremism around the globe. Statement by the Press Secretary on Attacks in France, Kuwait, and TunisiaThen why would he claim it only happens here after the church shooting ? “We don’t have all the facts but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,” added Obama. “At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries and it is in our power to do something about it.” www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDcQFjAGahUKEwj04OWc9djHAhWODJIKHceND6c&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2F2015%2Fjun%2F18%2Fcharleston-church-shooting-obama-calls-gun-control&usg=AFQjCNFNVNNqlTEKmbXcXT1ux--T0IIdIwWHat's your point? You claimed the major media and Obama said nothing about the shootings in Tunisia. I gave you information they did. I don't understand your point about quoting Obama.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 2, 2015 13:08:26 GMT -5
i don't want Tunisia's problems to be part of our agenda. do you? i think we can find enough problems here. I agree. Obama should be truthful and not claim mass shootings only happen here. See reply #113 with link and quote. you contradicted yourself in that post. first you said that Obama "says" that attacks MOSTLY happen here. then you claimed that Obama "says" they ONLY happen here. which is it? (for the record, i don't see where he says EITHER in your quote)
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 2, 2015 13:10:46 GMT -5
We are a country that supposedly is not at physical war with each other over political and religious ideology. But the USA has had plenty of mass shootings and killings. Here is a link of mass shootings between 1982 and 2012. There have been plenty of mass shootings since then. A Guide to Mass Shootings in America
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:18:55 GMT -5
I agree. Obama should be truthful and not claim mass shootings only happen here. See reply #113 with link and quote. you contradicted yourself in that post. first you said that Obama "says" that attacks MOSTLY happen here. then you claimed that Obama "says" they ONLY happen here. which is it? (for the record, i don't see where he says EITHER in your quote) Third line down in my post... “At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:24:04 GMT -5
WHat's your point? You claimed the major media and Obama said nothing about the shootings in Tunisia. I gave you information they did. I don't understand your point about quoting Obama. He's an outright liar is my point. Quote follows...“At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries"
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Post by weltschmerz on Sept 2, 2015 13:27:41 GMT -5
WHat's your point? You claimed the major media and Obama said nothing about the shootings in Tunisia. I gave you information they did. I don't understand your point about quoting Obama. He's an outright liar is my point. Quote follows...“At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries" Name another first-world country where a mass shooting happens every two weeks.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 2, 2015 13:28:21 GMT -5
WHat's your point? You claimed the major media and Obama said nothing about the shootings in Tunisia. I gave you information they did. I don't understand your point about quoting Obama. He's an outright liar is my point. Quote follows...“At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries" So be it. Now about the non-reporting of the Tunisia shootings by the media and Obama/the White House: is that a lie too? All those articles and links I provided via Google aren't really there?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 2, 2015 13:30:25 GMT -5
you contradicted yourself in that post. first you said that Obama "says" that attacks MOSTLY happen here. then you claimed that Obama "says" they ONLY happen here. which is it? (for the record, i don't see where he says EITHER in your quote) Third line down in my post... “At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries" i am listening to that speech, and he qualified that statement in the very next part: "it doesn't happen in other places with this kind of fre quency".
that is actually correct, i believe- but i am not going to look it up right now. i have things to do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 13:41:32 GMT -5
He's an outright liar is my point. Quote follows...“At some point we will have to deal with the fact that this kind of mass violence doesn’t happen in other countries" Name another first-world country where a mass shooting happens every two weeks. Are they any less dead when it's not a first world country? I don't qualify life that way. What country has a mass killing "every" two weeks ?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 2, 2015 13:41:38 GMT -5
Some of those listed countries are one time events. The U.S. is listed the most times. Are you of the opinion we don't have a problem here in the U.S. and we should not address the root causes of these killings?
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