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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2015 14:38:09 GMT -5
I seem to recall in the case you referenced, there was some time that lapsed between the incident and when PRESIDENT Obama issued his statement. I would guess he was hoping for some facts, as opposed to speculation. Just as there was some time before he commented on the church shootings. I also suspect there was a pause to gather some information. However if you want our elected leader to comment on speculative information mere hours after an event then you are not of the caliber I thought you were. I apologize for my error. When he commented on the church shootings he said that the mass shootings mostly happen in this country, in a push for more gun restrictions. In Tunisia, a lone gunman killed over thirty British and Irish tourists just a couple of days after that church shooting. Seemed to be no mention of that in the major media or by Obama. not our problem. it is Tunisia's.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 26, 2015 15:48:23 GMT -5
I seem to recall in the case you referenced, there was some time that lapsed between the incident and when PRESIDENT Obama issued his statement. I would guess he was hoping for some facts, as opposed to speculation. Just as there was some time before he commented on the church shootings. I also suspect there was a pause to gather some information. However if you want our elected leader to comment on speculative information mere hours after an event then you are not of the caliber I thought you were. I apologize for my error. When he commented on the church shootings he said that the mass shootings mostly happen in this country, in a push for more gun restrictions. In Tunisia, a lone gunman killed over thirty British and Irish tourists just a couple of days after that church shooting. Seemed to be no mention of that in the major media or by Obama. About 992,000 results. Feel free to weed out yourself the media articles. tunisia terrorist attack 2015As DJ noted, the massacre happened in another country and did not involve U.S. citizens so no need for Rose Garden comments by Obama. But the White House did make a statement: The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate ReleaseJune 26, 2015 Statement by the Press Secretary on Attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia
The United States condemns in the strongest terms the terrorist attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia today. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of these heinous attacks, their loved ones, and the people of all three countries. As the President has discussed with his French, Kuwaiti, and Tunisian counterparts in recent weeks, we are resolute and united in our shared effort to fight the scourge of terrorism.
We stand with these nations as they respond to attacks on their soil today, and we have been in contact with appropriate counterparts in all three countries to offer any necessary support. Terrorism has no place in any society, and the United States will continue to work closely with our international partners to combat terrorist actors and counter violent extremism around the globe. Statement by the Press Secretary on Attacks in France, Kuwait, and Tunisia
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Post by Shooby on Aug 26, 2015 16:25:48 GMT -5
This is terrible tragedy. But the bodies aren't even warm and they are trying to make political hay about "gun control". The reality of life is that there are tons of guns in America. Sorry, gun control isn't going to work. Arm yourself.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 26, 2015 16:40:19 GMT -5
I guess we just have to accept mass shootings like in Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, Newtown, Virginia Tech and the like because guns are everywhere.
What a world.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 26, 2015 16:43:41 GMT -5
I guess we just have to accept mass shootings like in Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, Newtown, Virginia Tech and the like because guns are everywhere. What a world. clearly, not a worldwide problem- even in countries with high gun possession.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2015 23:21:49 GMT -5
And people wonder why fewer Americans are registered Republican. I would be embarrassed to share your political views. I used to be a registered Republican, but when supporters spout shit this stupid how can you feel good supporting the same party? Sum Dum Gai, I have seen some of your posts This wouldn't the pot calling the kettle black, would it?
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2015 23:29:00 GMT -5
Ok.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 26, 2015 23:31:57 GMT -5
A shooting like this would be really hard to stop. It appears that he was really hunting them down.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 26, 2015 23:42:42 GMT -5
Maybe. Being the first troll to try and politicize a senseless murder before the bodies are even cold is pretty messed up though. I don't recall ever doing that, even in jest. And I thought politicizing the Jokes thread was bad.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 0:20:17 GMT -5
A shooting like this would be really hard to stop. It appears that he was really hunting them down. absolutely true, unless he was mentally ill. it is actually illegal to own a firearm in the US if you are mentally ill. it is just rarely enforced.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2015 4:50:09 GMT -5
After Dylann Roof shot and killed 9 people at a Bible study in a black church in Charleston, South Carolina, diligent reporters combed through his manifesto, and records of political contributions. We were treated to four straight days of how some leader of some group no one had ever heard of had given money to Mitt Romney's campaign. The clear implication we were meant to take away from that bit of journalistic dot-connecting was that Dylann Roof had obviously shot and killed those people on orders from Mitt Romney, and the RNC. The sad part is that you need only dredge up those reports to find that I'm only exaggerating slightly.
However, today what we know about the shooter in this case is that he was a mind-numbed Obamabot motivated by race. He was a terrible journalist- called a "human tape recorder" for parroting press releases and interviewees rather than conducting his own journalism. He frequently missed deadlines. And he was formally reprimanded for wearing an Obama campaign badge while reporting on elections. I'm not sure if that last thing is something a reporter should be reprimanded for- I'd actually call that having some journalistic integrity. Nevertheless you have one violent, racist Obama supporter- a self-described "human powder keg" committing murder. Wanna bet we don't get four days wall-to-wall on this?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2015 5:13:10 GMT -5
Raising awareness and putting an end to "White Privilege" is all the rage now on the left these days. However, it is no stretch to say that under no circumstances would a straight, white, outspoken Republican male have been tolerated as long as this man was by his employer. I've experienced this first-hand in my consulting work. Employers are afraid to fire poor performing minorities, and are frequently intimidated by threats from minority employees to make their firing for poor performance into a case about race. Often times, particularly for small employers that don't have the resources to devote to the hassle and expense of litigation will forego disciplinary action, especially termination, of minority employees. I have an attorney on my team, and I have used my adjusting experience to figure up the costs and basically buy these employees off in exchange for a mutual release of all claims, and a non-disclosure of the severance terms. Most of the time, the companies I consult with are in trouble- hence the consulting- so, we're able to cite business reasons- downsizing, etc, as the reason for their termination. The below description of Flanagan's behavior is something I've seen before- you might call it "black privilege" if your mind worked in that warped way. I've been in several counselling sessions with employees that feel that because they are a minority, they're entitled to special treatment, and not subject to disciplinary action, up to, and including termination. It can be a challenge setting them straight on this. I have been screamed at, had things thrown at me, and even spit on. The white men typically see it coming, and are the most docile-- "OK, well, thank you" is the typical response. The white women are similarly docile, but quite often they'll cry over it. The temper tantrums and threats all come from the minority employees.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 27, 2015 6:13:54 GMT -5
I guess we just have to accept mass shootings like in Columbine, Aurora, Charleston, Newtown, Virginia Tech and the like because guns are everywhere. What a world. clearly, not a worldwide problem- even in countries with high gun possession. So, then taking away guns obviously isn't the solution? Even if that was the solution, that isn't going to happen. You can wish there was a world without guns but that isn't reality. We can operate in reality or not.
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Post by Shooby on Aug 27, 2015 6:19:56 GMT -5
This is just such a horrible thing to see young people struck down in the very prime of their lives. Awful.
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Post by OldCoyote on Aug 27, 2015 9:38:40 GMT -5
With this man the gun did not matter, just a little more convenient, if it was not a gun it would have been a knife, baseball bat or running them down in the parking lot with a car.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 11:02:11 GMT -5
clearly, not a worldwide problem- even in countries with high gun possession. So, then taking away guns obviously isn't the solution? never said it was. but if it is UNRELATED, if the problem is on another vector entirely (i believe it is), then gun control is either none of the solution or part of the solution. it is impossible to say. and i am really tired of people saying it "IS" or it "ISN'T"Even if that was the solution, that isn't going to happen. You can wish there was a world without guns but that isn't reality. We can operate in reality or not. they said it would never happen in Australia, too. and then, that crazy bastard killed dozens in Tasmania......
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 11:03:15 GMT -5
With this man the gun did not matter, just a little more convenient, if it was not a gun it would have been a knife, baseball bat or running them down in the parking lot with a car. he would not have killed two and critically injured a third with a knife. let's get real.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 11:31:38 GMT -5
A shooting like this would be really hard to stop. It appears that he was really hunting them down. absolutely true, unless he was mentally ill. it is actually illegal to own a firearm in the US if you are mentally ill. it is just rarely enforced. Maybe we should start with enforcing all the existing gun laws then. We can pass all the laws that we want, and we do. They are useless if we don't enforce them, and some of these cases we didn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 11:38:22 GMT -5
absolutely true, unless he was mentally ill. it is actually illegal to own a firearm in the US if you are mentally ill. it is just rarely enforced. Maybe we should start with enforcing all the existing gun laws then. We can pass all the laws that we want, and we do. They are useless if we don't enforce them, and some of these cases we didn't.
the federal law is toothless without background checks- which is why 2/3 of the American public supports them.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2015 11:47:22 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think gun laws are the laws we need to look at. I would say this is would be a great time to visit the issue of affirmative action, and the victim culture in America. This guy clearly wanted to be something he wasn't good enough to be. He had no work ethic, no moral compass, no attention to detail, or care about quality. He expected things to to be handed to him because he is black, gay, liberal- or whatever else. And when it didn't work out- he became angry and bitter. When he was fired at job after job after job for being incompetent, petulant, petty, angry, threatening and everything else- he never took personal responsibility, he fell back on being a victim. It's actually frightening how many unstable liberals are roaming around out there with the exact same attitude.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 11:54:30 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think gun laws are the laws we need to look at. I would say this is would be a great time to visit the issue of affirmative action, and the victim culture in America. This guy clearly wanted to be something he wasn't good enough to be. He had no work ethic, no moral compass, no attention to detail, or care about quality. He expected things to to be handed to him because he is black, gay, liberal- or whatever else. And when it didn't work out- he became angry and bitter. When he was fired at job after job after job for being incompetent, petulant, petty, angry, threatening and everything else- he never took personal responsibility, he fell back on being a victim. It's actually frightening how many unstable liberals are roaming around out there with the exact same attitude. it is more scary that unstable conservatives are roaming around- because they are more likely to be armed. edit: and, as you love to point out, they are a larger political group.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Aug 27, 2015 11:55:28 GMT -5
I don't think suicide is something a rational person does. I think he hit such a low point that he wanted to kill for revenge then kill himself to show everyone they were wrong.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 11:58:53 GMT -5
I don't think suicide is something a rational person does. I think he hit such a low point that he wanted to kill for revenge then kill himself to show everyone they were wrong. correct. this was more like a terrorist act than a suicide, in my way of reading it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 12:02:06 GMT -5
I still blame the media for a lot of this. This guy played that completely with his "film" of the shooting. They contribute to this" look at me, I'm the best killer" thrill . It's disgusting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 27, 2015 12:03:48 GMT -5
I still blame the media for a lot of this. This guy played that completely with his "film" of the shooting. They contribute to this" look at me, I'm the best killer" thrill . It's disgusting. yeah, there is a serious problem here. not sure what to do about it, but it is serious.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 27, 2015 12:36:18 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think gun laws are the laws we need to look at. I would say this is would be a great time to visit the issue of affirmative action, and the victim culture in America. This guy clearly wanted to be something he wasn't good enough to be. He had no work ethic, no moral compass, no attention to detail, or care about quality. He expected things to to be handed to him because he is black, gay, liberal- or whatever else. And when it didn't work out- he became angry and bitter. When he was fired at job after job after job for being incompetent, petulant, petty, angry, threatening and everything else- he never took personal responsibility, he fell back on being a victim. It's actually frightening how many unstable liberals are roaming around out there with the exact same attitude. And Jesus wept.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 27, 2015 12:47:22 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think gun laws are the laws we need to look at. I would say this is would be a great time to visit the issue of affirmative action, and the victim culture in America. This guy clearly wanted to be something he wasn't good enough to be. He had no work ethic, no moral compass, no attention to detail, or care about quality. He expected things to to be handed to him because he is black, gay, liberal- or whatever else. And when it didn't work out- he became angry and bitter. When he was fired at job after job after job for being incompetent, petulant, petty, angry, threatening and everything else- he never took personal responsibility, he fell back on being a victim. It's actually frightening how many unstable liberals are roaming around out there with the exact same attitude. it is more scary that unstable conservatives are roaming around- because they are more likely to be armed. edit: and, as you love to point out, they are a larger political group. Conservatives, almost by definition, do not embrace wanton violence as a means of getting what they want, or promoting their politics- which largely consists of being left alone. I think it matters when you start with the belief that it's OK to use violence to re-order society to conform with the liberal whim du jour, because if you can justify the use of force to compel people to think, act, or behave the way you think they should- then you might actually be more likely to be violent yourself. I wonder what the headline would have been if a straight, white, male, and outspoken Republican had shot the black, gay obama supporter? I wouldn't look for this story to be EDIT-- analysed is what I meant to say-- analysed, not reported honestly- if at all.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2015 12:47:23 GMT -5
I still blame the media for a lot of this. This guy played that completely with his "film" of the shooting. They contribute to this" look at me, I'm the best killer" thrill . It's disgusting. yeah, there is a serious problem here. not sure what to do about it, but it is serious. I have intentionally not watched the shooting video posted by the news outlets. I also did no search on the shooter. I think if more people did what I did, it would be less useful to put up crazy videos on social media.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2015 12:50:06 GMT -5
This is BS. People of all stripes who want what they want and will resort to violence do. Does not matter if they are a survivalist who shoots people to keep them off their land or someone unhappy about their life who feels killing others will make it better.
What is true, is most of these people are male.
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Post by Opti on Aug 27, 2015 12:56:03 GMT -5
And for those who think the tool does not matter as much as the intention to kill, again I disagree. Some people get killed in the heat of anger, if the tool is not so easy to access, then they do not have to fire once and regret forever.
It makes sense that handguns are used more often than rifles (harder to carry, conceal). That guns overall are used more than knifes. Look at the stats. If the tool didn't matter, what was used to murder people would be more varied. MO. Its starting to feel like using an argument that a bike is the same as a car. If he really wanted to go 30, 40, or 100 miles he'd be as likely to bike there. Not.
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