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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 12:20:55 GMT -5
So Dr. Carson is willing to discriminate based on religious preference and poop on the 1st amendment?!?! NNHHNNHHHNN...disqualified. And not at all discriminatory... I don't know how republicans get their reputation...
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Post by dondub on Sept 20, 2015 12:23:18 GMT -5
Waking up in the morning?
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Post by marvholly on Sept 21, 2015 5:24:48 GMT -5
I was going to bring this up this morning. thought of it yesterday afternoon. I am old enough to have been aware of this brewhaha back in th day.
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Post by Angel! on Sept 21, 2015 7:55:16 GMT -5
So Dr. Carson is willing to discriminate based on religious preference and poop on the 1st amendment?!?! NNHHNNHHHNN...disqualified. And not at all discriminatory... I don't know how republicans get their reputation... Lol! I really don't know what else to say, but it makes me sad that not only can a candidate make obnoxious statements like this , but half the country will cheer when they hear it.
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Post by Waffle on Sept 21, 2015 9:11:05 GMT -5
According to the article, he also said that Islam is incompatible with the U.S. constitution. I wish they would have pushed him on that, I would love to know how he came up with that belief.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 12:05:23 GMT -5
I thought Carson was better than that. Apparently not. the constitution specifically forbids religious tests for office. so it is just chub for jingoists, imo.
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Post by uncle23 on Sept 21, 2015 14:56:40 GMT -5
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Carson did not say a muslim who is a U.S. citizen cannot run for president of the U.S.
He said we should not elect one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2015 15:11:05 GMT -5
..... Carson did not say a muslim who is a U.S. citizen cannot run for president of the U.S. He said we should not elect one. true. someone should ask him what he meant by that.
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Post by dondub on Sept 21, 2015 18:45:32 GMT -5
Carson did not say a muslim who is a U.S. citizen cannot run for president of the U.S.
Ummmm...considering non US citizens cannot run for the office of President, do the math.
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 21, 2015 19:57:57 GMT -5
Carson or Trump will never be president or vice president. Why? One modification- Carson could be a VP assuming the GOP can win- which I don't think they can. So never for Trump, and not in 2016 for Carson I think. Trump as a VP would be a boat anchor and I can't think of anyone in the GOP field that would want him- hasn't he insulted all of them as well?
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Post by marvholly on Sept 22, 2015 5:31:26 GMT -5
One modification- Carson could be a VP assuming the GOP can win- which I don't think they can. So never for Trump, and not in 2016 for Carson I think. Trump as a VP would be a boat anchor and I can't think of anyone in the GOP field that would want him- hasn't he insulted all of them as well?
I can see NO WAY Trump would accept the VP slot. WAAAY too much ego. For him it is all my way or the highway. He is the BIG Fish in the pond or he leaves the pond.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2015 10:23:20 GMT -5
Carson did not say a muslim who is a U.S. citizen cannot run for president of the U.S. Ummmm...considering non US citizens cannot run for the office of President, do the math. Carson just did a nice sidestep on this issue. this is a really good response: “It has nothing to do with being a Muslim,” Carson insisted. “That was the question that was specifically asked. If the question had been asked about a Christian, and they had said, ‘Would you support a Christian who believes in establishing a theocracy?’ I would have said no.” the only problem is that he was not actually asked about THEOCRACY. but if this is truly what he thinks, he passes, as far as i am concerned. edit: can anyone here imagine Trump giving this answer? Fiorina? i can't. Carson is way sharper than i expected on this stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 10:40:55 GMT -5
Glad he is against theocracy. What are his positions on gay marriage and abortion?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 22, 2015 10:52:51 GMT -5
Ben Carson's Views on Poverty, Illegal Immigration, Abortion and Same-Sex MarriageSame-sex Marriage As reported in On the Issues, Carson disagrees with the decision to legalize same-sex marriage but respects that it is now the law of the land. Abortion Carson would like to ban abortion 20 weeks after fertilization. “My entire professional life has been devoted to saving and enhancing lives,” said Carson in an Op-Ed piece for the Washington Times, “Thus, the thought of abortion for the sake of convenience does not appeal to me.” Ben Carson's Views on Poverty, Illegal Immigration, Abortion and Same-Sex Marriage
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2015 11:03:04 GMT -5
so far, i don't see any super red hot flags for me.
what are his foreign policy views?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2015 11:14:45 GMT -5
If there was a reason why I might choose an abortion after 20 weeks. It would not be for 'convenience'.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2015 11:28:32 GMT -5
his views on ObamaCare are totally warped.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 22, 2015 12:48:48 GMT -5
so far, i don't see any super red hot flags for me. what are his foreign policy views? I'd have to see some of these points fleshed out a bit before I could say what I think of his ideas. Long on words but short on detail from my point of view. Of course, that's usually true at this stage.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 22, 2015 12:58:22 GMT -5
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/09/ben_carson_doesn_t_believe_muslims_should_be_president_his_genial_reputation.htmlBut this isn’t shocking. Of course Carson believes in the disloyalty of American Muslims. His genial reputation conceals a deep commitment to paranoid politics, honed over years of conservative activism and deployed in speeches, op-ed columns, and now a presidential campaign. At the Values Voter Summit in 2013, for example, he compared the Affordable Care Act—President Obama’s signature health care law—to chattel slavery. “You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery,” said Carson in his remarks to the conservative gathering. “It is slavery in a way because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.”
There’s no question this is outrageous. But it pales next to the reactionary paranoia of much of his other rhetoric. “I mean, [our society is] very much like Nazi Germany,” he said last year, in a rant against “political correctness.” “You know, you had a government using its tools to intimidate the population. We now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe.”
If political correctness is akin to German fascism, then it’s no shock the doctor thinks the IRS is a bona fide secret police. “You know, we live in a Gestapo age, people don’t realize it,” he said, in reference to the federal tax agency. He believes that President Obama might suspend elections in 2016, that Democrats want immigrants to increase the welfare population and keep themselves in power, and that—as he explained in the first Republican presidential debate this year—Hillary Clinton and “the progressive movement” are “trying to destroy this country” by driving up the national debt and stepping “off the stage as a world leader.”
Carson, the doctor, is a brilliant pediatric neurosurgeon. Carson, the candidate, is a crank—a creature of deep suspicion and conspiratorial thinking, who gives the mainstream a rare glimpse into the American Negative Zone of far-right fear and fetid fever dreams. There, anti-Muslim prejudice is common and unapologetic while Carson’s claim—that Islam is inherently anti-American—is axiomatic. Given his political background, his remarks were typical, if not even expected. (It almost goes without saying that there’s an irony in Carson’s bigotry: When he was a child, his ideological antecedents attacked civil rights activists with the same anger and contempt.)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 13:16:18 GMT -5
his views on ObamaCare are totally warped. He's got a real anti-liberty bent. He is on record embracing wage and price controls, and ObamaCare-like caps on profits, and other failed ideas. I'm glad he has come around on gun control, and maybe he'll come around on other issues- but I'm just not sure I want someone who needs training wheels.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 22, 2015 13:19:13 GMT -5
Trump has screwed up the GOPe "Roadmap". Walker had to get out. In the end, like the rest of the herd, he must do his master's bidding. His overlord's plan to nominate Jeb doesn't work with Jeb in 8th place. They've had to modify their plan, so some candidates have to go now. What is the plan? "In a very general sense the broad construct begins around a very specific premise: The GOPe knew they would need to devise a strategy to elect Jeb Bush with around 15 – 25% of the primary vote, depending on the state – through the first nine calendar primary races. [Dixie states at the low end, and New England states at higher thresholds.]" Trump has stymied their plans: theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/21/the-trump-effect-rnc-rules-established-to-stymie-conservatives-backfiress/
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Post by Waffle on Sept 23, 2015 13:29:35 GMT -5
It's probably too soon for new polling data, but he is supposedly getting more donation money since this incident.
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