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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 17, 2015 20:00:27 GMT -5
Omg. Trump's wife is such a dimbass. Dim and dumb. I hear all this whining about how can we deport all these illegals? Super easy. No jobs, no welfare of any kind, no schooling. Basic medical care then deportation. Jail for any employer not using e-verify. Hear that Tyson execs? Anyone caught using an illegal for anything rots in jail the first time for 90 days. Second time 180 days. No fines. Fines are a joke. GOP frontrunner, Donald Trump released his immigration plan today. Trump’s plan includes a border wall, E-verify and ending birthright citizenship. He also explains how Mexico will end up paying for the wall. Specifics from Trump- you pretty much covered it, but here's the whole 1,900 pages: www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2015 20:06:44 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're citizens and maybe they're not. I suppose they could be adopted if they're young enough or just run feral. I really don't care. They've no business being here. I'm sorry for them that their parents are criminals but not my problem.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 17, 2015 20:07:59 GMT -5
Omg. Trump's wife is such a dimbass. Dim and dumb. I hear all this whining about how can we deport all these illegals? Super easy. No jobs, no welfare of any kind, no schooling. Basic medical care then deportation. Jail for any employer not using e-verify. Hear that Tyson execs? Anyone caught using an illegal for anything rots in jail the first time for 90 days. Second time 180 days. No fines. Fines are a joke i think it is way simpler than that. just demand e-verify. period. end of issue. done. of course, we get a lot of citizen orphans out of that deal, but i presume we can deal with that problem, somehow. Seriously? Orphans? Gimme a break. To deal with that problem, we simply send them with their parents. Any self-respecting parent that would leave their children in a foreign country would lose custody and their kids can be put up for adoption. I have long thought that the "wall" idea should involve a DMZ on the Mexican side of the border where Arpaio-style camps are set up for ALL illegal aliens arrested and awaiting deportation hearings. We can send the "orphans" there.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 17, 2015 20:09:59 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're citizens and maybe they're not. I suppose they could be adopted if they're young enough or just run feral. I really don't care. They've no business being here. I'm sorry for them that their parents are criminals but not my problem. Trump's plan ends the bullshit of "birthright citizenship" and solves the whole "anchor baby" problem. It is actually the best, most substantive part of his proposal. E-Verify is horseshit. Just a way to make sure YOU AND I get a national ID card-- something they can use as a tool to control US, not the border.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 17, 2015 20:11:32 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're citizens and maybe they're not. I suppose they could be adopted if they're young enough or just run feral. I really don't care. They've no business being here. I'm sorry for them that their parents are criminals but not my problem. Trump's plan ends the bullshit of "birthright citizenship" and solves the whole "anchor baby" problem. It is actually the best, most substantive part of his proposal. E-Verify is horseshit. Just a way to make sure YOU AND I get a national ID card-- something they can use as a tool to control US, not the border. . As long as it's retroactive.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2015 20:51:08 GMT -5
i think it is way simpler than that. just demand e-verify. period. end of issue. done. of course, we get a lot of citizen orphans out of that deal, but i presume we can deal with that problem, somehow. Seriously? Orphans? Gimme a break. . i am just taking the idea of deportation to it';s logical conclusion, Paul. you can't deport someone who is a citizen. capice?
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2015 20:52:51 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're citizens and maybe they're not. I suppose they could be adopted if they're young enough or just run feral. I really don't care. They've no business being here. I'm sorry for them that their parents are criminals but not my problem. Trump's plan ends the bullshit of "birthright citizenship" and solves the whole "anchor baby" problem. um, no. it solves SOME or maybe MOST of the FUTURE "anchor baby" issue. it doesn't solve ANY of the past problem, nor does it solve ALL of the future problem.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2015 20:53:50 GMT -5
i think Walker has a decent chance of winning the nomination. and i think he would run better against anyone on the Democratic side than Trump. I think the story of the 2016 election is the pathetic Democrat side. The GOP candidate might as well be running unopposed. I think there's only a handful of ways the GOP could screw it up, the biggest being Jeb Bush, not Donald Trump. you thought that in 2012, too. you are underestimating the strength of the Democratic field, and overestimating the strength of the GOP field.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2015 20:54:32 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're citizens and maybe they're not. i said that. i said that most were. i believe that is true.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2015 20:56:38 GMT -5
Trump's plan ends the bullshit of "birthright citizenship" and solves the whole "anchor baby" problem. It is actually the best, most substantive part of his proposal. E-Verify is horseshit. Just a way to make sure YOU AND I get a national ID card-- something they can use as a tool to control US, not the border. . As long as it's retroactive. it isn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 17, 2015 21:12:02 GMT -5
Well, maybe they're citizens and maybe they're not. I suppose they could be adopted if they're young enough or just run feral. I really don't care. They've no business being here. I'm sorry for them that their parents are criminals but not my problem. Trump's plan ends the bullshit of "birthright citizenship" and solves the whole "anchor baby" problem. It is actually the best, most substantive part of his proposal. E-Verify is horseshit. Just a way to make sure YOU AND I get a national ID card-- something they can use as a tool to control US, not the border. you can stick your ID up your buttcrack.
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Post by marvholly on Aug 18, 2015 5:47:54 GMT -5
I have a BIG problem w/Dr Carson’s lack of executive & foreign policy experience.
Also, cynic that I am, I have to wonder if the ………..ethnic issue might not crop up w/SOOO many anti – Oboma.
Living adjacent to WI I also have problems with Walker in the way he has governed there.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 18, 2015 6:04:59 GMT -5
Trump's plan ends the bullshit of "birthright citizenship" and solves the whole "anchor baby" problem. It is actually the best, most substantive part of his proposal. E-Verify is horseshit. Just a way to make sure YOU AND I get a national ID card-- something they can use as a tool to control US, not the border. . As long as it's retroactive. That would present Constitutional problems. Though Mitt Romney was correct about "self deportation". They come here illegally for welfare and economic opportunity. Deny them the reason they show up here illegally, they'll leave and we'll get those who want to come through the proper channels. That being said, the other part of Trump's plan is great, too-- I'm very pro-immigration. It's good for the country. And another reason people come here illegally is that it's just too damn hard to do it legally. Our immigration system is a nightmare. We need to make it easy for the best and brightest to come here to live, work, and become citizens. We used to attract the best and brightest, now we attract the dregs.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 18, 2015 6:07:23 GMT -5
Yup, well the dregs have ruined their own country and now want to turn ours into a cesspool as well. I feel sorry for Europe overrun by illegal invaders.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 18, 2015 6:10:54 GMT -5
I have a BIG problem w/Dr Carson’s lack of executive & foreign policy experience. Also, cynic that I am, I have to wonder if the ………..ethnic issue might not crop up w/SOOO many anti – Oboma. Living adjacent to WI I also have problems with Walker in the way he has governed there. I also have a problem with Carson's lack of executive experience, and his newfound conservatism is no better rooted than Trump's. I agree that Walker presents concerns as well. He left out some of the most egregious burdens facing state pensions- police, and firefighters. And his conservative bonafides are again- something to worry about. He was for amnesty for illegal aliens and common core- now, he's not. We'll have to see where the race takes us. The bottom line for me is that Trump talks a pretty good game- if he convinces conservatives that he can be trusted to do what he says he will-- he'll win. If he's playing conservatives somehow-- God help him.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 18, 2015 6:11:18 GMT -5
Yup, well the dregs have ruined their own country and now want to turn ours into a cesspool as well. I feel sorry for Europe overrun by illegal invaders. Like New Yorkers in Florida. Yep.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 18, 2015 6:13:05 GMT -5
I'm on the gulf coast side. More New Yorkers in Michigan than gulf coast!! We get the Midwesterners. But I get your point. Geez, the incessant nasal whining. From grown ass women.
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Post by dondub on Aug 18, 2015 11:03:01 GMT -5
Only mid westerners can emigrate to Florida to make it a haven.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 16:32:02 GMT -5
i think Walker has a decent chance of winning the nomination. and i think he would run better against anyone on the Democratic side than Trump. I think the story of the 2016 election is the pathetic Democrat side. The GOP candidate might as well be running unopposed. I think there's only a handful of ways the GOP could screw it up, the biggest being Jeb Bush, not Donald Trump. Where do you think establishment repbulicans would go if Trump was the nominee? Stay home? Vote for a third party? I can't see regular republican types voting for him or the democratic candidate. I think he has zero chance of being the nominee. He is nothing but a clown and showman.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2015 18:04:36 GMT -5
I think the story of the 2016 election is the pathetic Democrat side. The GOP candidate might as well be running unopposed. I think there's only a handful of ways the GOP could screw it up, the biggest being Jeb Bush, not Donald Trump. Where do you think establishment repbulicans would go if Trump was the nominee? Stay home? Vote for a third party? I can't see regular republican types voting for him or the democratic candidate. I think he has zero chance of being the nominee. He is nothing but a clown and showman. the polling suggests that he is a serious candidate. i am disinclined to question the polling. when the polling changes, and it probably will, i will feel a lot more comfortable dismissing him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2015 18:44:44 GMT -5
That's one take on it. The other is that the polling suggests that a large percentage of Americans just don't give a fuck anymore. no, the polls don't measure that, actually. they measure voting preferences. good polling also measures likelihood that you will vote. if the primaries were held today, Trump would win a fair number of them. but fortunately for the rest of the field, they have 7 months to fix this.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 18, 2015 19:33:54 GMT -5
Of course they do. They do it every cycle. In 2000 people were slightly fed up with Clinton, so they were more likely to vote for the other party, and presto, we have Bush in office. In 2008 they were pissed at the Republican party for Bush's nonsense, the bank bailouts, and whatnot, so we get Obama in office. Measuring which party I'm likely to vote for is the exact same thing as measuring how much I dislike or disagree with the other party. When a non-establishment candidate is polling really well that's the same thing as measuring that most people are fed up with the establishment. i think the polls i am looking at are not even national preferences, just GOP preferences. and if you are saying that GOP voters are fed up with mainstream GOP candidates, i agree. about 25% of them are, anyway. and let's be clear, in a winner take all primary system with 17 candidates, 25% is more than enough. but that is never going to work in the general election.
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Post by kent on Aug 18, 2015 21:23:07 GMT -5
Which reminds me, the electoral college is bullshit and should be done away with. Just sayin' The problem with that is you end up with a full on democracy and the idiots that vote for people that have a "personality" people like - the hell with their qualifications - we know how that will/has worked out.
Off point but sidn't George Washington say something about a two-party system leading to a real mess?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2015 9:10:07 GMT -5
I think the story of the 2016 election is the pathetic Democrat side. The GOP candidate might as well be running unopposed. I think there's only a handful of ways the GOP could screw it up, the biggest being Jeb Bush, not Donald Trump. Where do you think establishment repbulicans would go if Trump was the nominee? Stay home? Vote for a third party? I can't see regular republican types voting for him or the democratic candidate. I think he has zero chance of being the nominee. He is nothing but a clown and showman. His chances are a lot greater than zero. I'd say he's got at least a 30% chance right now. I never thought in a million years Hope & Change would beat Hillary. And I sure never thought he'd win a second term after such a complete disaster of a first term. So, I'm all finished with ruling things out in American politics- you never really know (I would rule out the GOP establishment this time- the base is finished with them). The "zero chance" and "clown and showman" opinions are frankly unfounded. He is an entrepreneur, and a damn good marketer and promoter. The serious side is that he runs an incredible business. He's one of the richest people in the world- not many people have a billion dollars- let alone three to ten (depending on who you believe). There are only about 200,000 people on planet earth with a net worth of $30 million and up, and just 1,645 people out of 7.3 billion are billionaires. If you believe Trump's valuation of $10 billion (Forbes does not, btw) then there are only about 125 people on planet earth worth $10 billion or more. Forbes puts Trump as the 405th richest person in the world. That's approximately the top .000006%. The point being- the man is not a clown. I'm well aware he inherited a lot of money, but the odds of second generation wealthy people succeeding is rare. The odds of going on to turn $200 million into $3 to $10 billion are infinitesimal.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2015 9:44:38 GMT -5
Where do you think establishment repbulicans would go if Trump was the nominee? Stay home? Vote for a third party? I can't see regular republican types voting for him or the democratic candidate. I think he has zero chance of being the nominee. He is nothing but a clown and showman. His chances are a lot greater than zero. I'd say he's got at least a 30% chance right now. I never thought in a million years Hope & Change would beat Hillary. And I sure never thought he'd win a second term after such a complete disaster of a first term. So, I'm all finished with ruling things out in American politics- you never really know (I would rule out the GOP establishment this time- the base is finished with them). The "zero chance" and "clown and showman" opinions are frankly unfounded. He is an entrepreneur, and a damn good marketer and promoter. The serious side is that he runs an incredible business. He's one of the richest people in the world- not many people have a billion dollars- let alone three to ten (depending on who you believe). There are only about 200,000 people on planet earth with a net worth of $30 million and up, and just 1,645 people out of 7.3 billion are billionaires. If you believe Trump's valuation of $10 billion (Forbes does not, btw) then there are only about 125 people on planet earth worth $10 billion or more. Forbes puts Trump as the 405th richest person in the world. That's approximately the top .000006%. The point being- the man is not a clown. I'm well aware he inherited a lot of money, but the odds of second generation wealthy people succeeding is rare. The odds of going on to turn $200 million into $3 to $10 billion are infinitesimal. he's got a 100% chance of winning the nomination right now. don't play it safe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 14:51:56 GMT -5
Where do you think establishment repbulicans would go if Trump was the nominee? Stay home? Vote for a third party? I can't see regular republican types voting for him or the democratic candidate. I think he has zero chance of being the nominee. He is nothing but a clown and showman. His chances are a lot greater than zero. I'd say he's got at least a 30% chance right now. I never thought in a million years Hope & Change would beat Hillary. And I sure never thought he'd win a second term after such a complete disaster of a first term. So, I'm all finished with ruling things out in American politics- you never really know (I would rule out the GOP establishment this time- the base is finished with them). The "zero chance" and "clown and showman" opinions are frankly unfounded. He is an entrepreneur, and a damn good marketer and promoter. The serious side is that he runs an incredible business. He's one of the richest people in the world- not many people have a billion dollars- let alone three to ten (depending on who you believe). There are only about 200,000 people on planet earth with a net worth of $30 million and up, and just 1,645 people out of 7.3 billion are billionaires. If you believe Trump's valuation of $10 billion (Forbes does not, btw) then there are only about 125 people on planet earth worth $10 billion or more. Forbes puts Trump as the 405th richest person in the world. That's approximately the top .000006%. The point being- the man is not a clown. I'm well aware he inherited a lot of money, but the odds of second generation wealthy people succeeding is rare. The odds of going on to turn $200 million into $3 to $10 billion are infinitesimal.Have you not heard of the Phil script?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2015 15:14:26 GMT -5
His chances are a lot greater than zero. I'd say he's got at least a 30% chance right now. I never thought in a million years Hope & Change would beat Hillary. And I sure never thought he'd win a second term after such a complete disaster of a first term. So, I'm all finished with ruling things out in American politics- you never really know (I would rule out the GOP establishment this time- the base is finished with them). The "zero chance" and "clown and showman" opinions are frankly unfounded. He is an entrepreneur, and a damn good marketer and promoter. The serious side is that he runs an incredible business. He's one of the richest people in the world- not many people have a billion dollars- let alone three to ten (depending on who you believe). There are only about 200,000 people on planet earth with a net worth of $30 million and up, and just 1,645 people out of 7.3 billion are billionaires. If you believe Trump's valuation of $10 billion (Forbes does not, btw) then there are only about 125 people on planet earth worth $10 billion or more. Forbes puts Trump as the 405th richest person in the world. That's approximately the top .000006%. The point being- the man is not a clown. I'm well aware he inherited a lot of money, but the odds of second generation wealthy people succeeding is rare. The odds of going on to turn $200 million into $3 to $10 billion are infinitesimal.Have you not heard of the Phil script?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2015 15:15:33 GMT -5
His chances are a lot greater than zero. I'd say he's got at least a 30% chance right now. I never thought in a million years Hope & Change would beat Hillary. And I sure never thought he'd win a second term after such a complete disaster of a first term. So, I'm all finished with ruling things out in American politics- you never really know (I would rule out the GOP establishment this time- the base is finished with them). The "zero chance" and "clown and showman" opinions are frankly unfounded. He is an entrepreneur, and a damn good marketer and promoter. The serious side is that he runs an incredible business. He's one of the richest people in the world- not many people have a billion dollars- let alone three to ten (depending on who you believe). There are only about 200,000 people on planet earth with a net worth of $30 million and up, and just 1,645 people out of 7.3 billion are billionaires. If you believe Trump's valuation of $10 billion (Forbes does not, btw) then there are only about 125 people on planet earth worth $10 billion or more. Forbes puts Trump as the 405th richest person in the world. That's approximately the top .000006%. The point being- the man is not a clown. I'm well aware he inherited a lot of money, but the odds of second generation wealthy people succeeding is rare. The odds of going on to turn $200 million into $3 to $10 billion are infinitesimal. he's got a 100% chance of winning the nomination right now. don't play it safe. Like Hillary, he is ahead in national polls. He does lead in Iowa, but he is not leading in every state.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 19, 2015 15:19:18 GMT -5
Exactly, they're not necessarily that excited about Trump. It's more giving the party a middle finger because they don't agree with what the party has done over the last couple decades. I think the GOP elites would like to get rid of conservatives, and especially conservative evangelical Christians and pro-lifers. I think the Republicrats would love it if the Sanders crowd voted for one party, the conservatives voted for another, and the GOP and Dems split the rest and walked all over us- kind of like they do now, but without the hassle of having to pander to them come primary time.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 19, 2015 16:05:59 GMT -5
he's got a 100% chance of winning the nomination right now. don't play it safe. Like Hillary, he is ahead in national polls. He does lead in Iowa, but he is not leading in every state. Iowa is not RIGHT NOW. if it were, then he would win it.
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