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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:38:36 GMT -5
Really? I know scientifically that is true, but I don't think even today it is societally. The man is black as far as that goes. Maybe true in how he looks, but 50/50 racially. Dj did say racism. i said racism as an either/or. actually, it could be purely political, as well. i suppose that is "better".
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:39:28 GMT -5
I recognize the humor - just surprised at how outraged some are that he's considering running and hoping to win.
Don't you have the right to vote for the candidate of your choice?
I don't know why this is even an issue. i am not outraged. i think it is hilarious. but you don't have the right to vote for someone who is not eligible to run.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:45:43 GMT -5
Tough call on the racism, since he's 50/50, black/white. Really? I know scientifically that is true, but I don't think even today it is societally. The man is black as far as that goes. white man, white woman, white baby. black man, black woman, black baby. white man, black woman, black baby. black man, white woman, black baby.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 13:46:01 GMT -5
I recognize the humor - just surprised at how outraged some are that he's considering running and hoping to win.
Don't you have the right to vote for the candidate of your choice?
I don't know why this is even an issue. i am not outraged. i think it is hilarious. but you don't have the right to vote for someone who is not eligible to run. Aren't we supposed to vote for him so we can find out if he's eligible.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 27, 2015 13:46:37 GMT -5
He sure as hell isn't Queen ELizabeth's ass white. dj did say racism, not what he looks like. Unfortunately, appearance is what most people use to determine race, if there's a question. That's how Mexicans get mistaken for Saudis, and vice-versa. If the guy has really dark skin, most people are going to assume he's black ... unless he looks Mexican. Then, they may well assume he's Saudi.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:46:38 GMT -5
i am not outraged. i think it is hilarious. but you don't have the right to vote for someone who is not eligible to run. Aren't we supposed to vote for him so we can find out if he's eligible. vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 13:47:39 GMT -5
Really? I know scientifically that is true, but I don't think even today it is societally. The man is black as far as that goes. white man, white woman, white baby. black man, black woman, black baby. white man, black woman, black baby. black man, white woman, black baby. That breakdown looks racist !
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:48:26 GMT -5
dj did say racism, not what he looks like. Unfortunately, appearance is what most people use to determine race, if there's a question. That's how Mexicans get mistaken for Saudis, and vice-versa. If the guy has really dark skin, most people are going to assume he's black ... unless he looks Mexican. Then, they may well assume he's Saudi. race is a construct. truthfully, there is only one race: the human race. genetically, we are so close to the same that the distinctions based on appearance are pretty stupid. but we are a pretty stupid race in that way. hopefully we will wise up some day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:49:08 GMT -5
white man, white woman, white baby. black man, black woman, black baby. white man, black woman, black baby. black man, white woman, black baby. That breakdown looks racist ! does it? (note: if anyone can name the reference, he or she will get 10 brownie points)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 13:49:28 GMT -5
Aren't we supposed to vote for him so we can find out if he's eligible. vice versa. Whoopsie, confused with the ACA again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 13:53:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately, appearance is what most people use to determine race, if there's a question. That's how Mexicans get mistaken for Saudis, and vice-versa. If the guy has really dark skin, most people are going to assume he's black ... unless he looks Mexican. Then, they may well assume he's Saudi. race is a construct. truthfully, there is only one race: the human race. genetically, we are so close to the same that the distinctions based on appearance are pretty stupid. but we are a pretty stupid race in that way. hopefully we will wise up some day. I think it's the cultural differences that people find harder to accept versus the way one looks. IMHO of course
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:56:32 GMT -5
race is a construct. truthfully, there is only one race: the human race. genetically, we are so close to the same that the distinctions based on appearance are pretty stupid. but we are a pretty stupid race in that way. hopefully we will wise up some day. I think it's the cultural differences that people find harder to accept versus the way one looks. IMHO of course "You know the guy in the booth who's talking to you in that tiny little earphone? He's afraid the guys at network are gonna tell him that he's through/ If he lets a guy keep talking like I'm talking to you/ Cause the corporations got the networks and they get to say who gets to talk about the country and who's crazy today/ I would cut to a commercial if you still want this job/ Because you may not be back tomorrow with this cooperate mob/Cut to commercial, cut to commercial, cut to commercial. Ok ok I got a simple question that I'd like to ask of this network/ That pays you for performing this task/ How come they got the airwaves? They're the peoples aren't they? Wouldn't they be worth 70 billion to the public today? If some money-grubbin Congress didn't give them away for big campaign money? It's hopeless you see/ If you're runnin for office with out no TV/If you don't get big money/ You get a defeat/ Corporations and broadcasters make you dead meat/ You been taught in this country there's speech that is free/ But free don't get you no spots on TV/If you want to have senators not on the take/ Then give them free air time/ They won't have to fake/ Telecommunications is the name of the beast/that, that, that, that, that's eating up the world from the west to the east/ The movies, the tabloids, TV and magazines/ they tell us what to think and do/ And all our hopes and dreams/ All this information makes America phat/ But if the company's outta the country/ How American is that? But we got Americans with families that can't even buy a meal/ Ask a brother who's been downsized if he's getting any deal/ Or a white boy bustin ass til they put him in his grave/ He ain't gotta be a black boy to be livin like a slave/ Rich people have always stayed on top by dividing white people from colored people/ but white people got more in common with colored people then they do with rich people/ we just gotta eliminate them. White people, black people, brown people, yellow people, get rid of 'em all/ All we need is a voluntary, free spirited, open-ended program of procreative racial deconstruction/ Everybody just gotta keep fuckin' everybody til they're all the same color " -Bulworth
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 13:57:12 GMT -5
vice versa. Whoopsie, confused with the ACA again. the ACA was a model of transparency compared to the treasonous PATRIOT Act.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 15:26:36 GMT -5
Whoopsie, confused with the ACA again. the ACA was a model of transparency compared to the treasonous PATRIOT Act. We can go on for pages with this type of exchange. Right on back to when they were writing the constitution. I'll just stop now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 15:36:02 GMT -5
the ACA was a model of transparency compared to the treasonous PATRIOT Act. We can go on for pages with this type of exchange. Right on back to when they were writing the constitution. I'll just stop now. i doubt you could top the PATRIOT Act. but give it your best shot.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Mar 27, 2015 15:45:40 GMT -5
this is what the Birthers should be saying, and they should be fighting tooth and nail to have him striken from the ballot. his legal standing is FLIMSIER than Obama's. not only did he not have TWO parents that were US citizens, he was not even born in the US. therefore, if Obama was not qualified on that basis, then Cruz is even less qualified. where is the outcry? or were those on the left right when they claimed that this was primarily motivated by racism? Where is Donald Trump...I'm not a constitutional expert, but the "so-called experts" seem to think he passes the citizenship test. That isn't what bothers me about this barking clown. I'm sure you have heard that he is availing himself of medical insurance under the ACA, and yet he tried to undermine it every step of the way. What a bombastic Janus faced fool. Yes, there is an element of racism...but we shouldn't reduce everything to black and white. When we do, it is so easy and convenient to pull out the race card and say...ha ha...you are a racist. Obama, on his record (yes there was and is an obstructionist Congress) has really not been that impressive. Maybe people were expecting some kind of savior...it wasn't him. But, I'm sure he was born in Hawaii and isn't a secret radical Muslim sympathizer. LOL These are all things that aim at the mindless core, base of the party. It's politics.
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Post by dondub on Mar 27, 2015 16:30:50 GMT -5
Being the Godfather of a mixed 50/50 Black/White young man, one of a twin, I can assure everyone that they are considered Black by society at large even though they say they are mixed.
Perhaps it's the inherent racism of our culture that needs to do that instead of them just being human beings. But anyone that tries too hard to make them not Black, to make a nitpicking political point, will fail as no one will agree with them out in the public at large.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 27, 2015 16:53:48 GMT -5
this is what the Birthers should be saying, and they should be fighting tooth and nail to have him striken from the ballot. his legal standing is FLIMSIER than Obama's. not only did he not have TWO parents that were US citizens, he was not even born in the US. therefore, if Obama was not qualified on that basis, then Cruz is even less qualified. where is the outcry? or were those on the left right when they claimed that this was primarily motivated by racism? Where is Donald Trump...I'm not a constitutional expert, but the "so-called experts" seem to think he passes the citizenship test. That isn't what bothers me about this barking clown. I'm sure you have heard that he is availing himself of medical insurance under the ACA, and yet he tried to undermine it every step of the way. What a bombastic Janus faced fool. Yes, there is an element of racism...but we shouldn't reduce everything to black and white. When we do, it is so easy and convenient to pull out the race card and say...ha ha...you are a racist. Obama, on his record (yes there was and is an obstructionist Congress) has really not been that impressive. Maybe people were expecting some kind of savior...it wasn't him. But, I'm sure he was born in Hawaii and isn't a secret radical Muslim sympathizer. LOL These are all things that aim at the mindless core, base of the party. It's politics. i am 99% sure that trump is questioning Cruz's qualifications.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 27, 2015 16:54:37 GMT -5
Being the Godfather of a mixed 50/50 Black/White young man, one of a twin, I can assure everyone that they are considered Black by society at large even though they say they are mixed.
Perhaps it's the inherent racism of our culture that needs to do that instead of them just being human beings. But anyone that tries too hard to make them not Black, to make a nitpicking political point, will fail as no one will agree with them out in the public at large. If we cannot pigeonhole people to ease our discomfort, life is just not worth living.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 28, 2015 12:40:53 GMT -5
Back before our supremely enlightened age post Selma (sarcasm intended) anyone with a hint of black blood was considered to be black. It was a true scarlet letter. "Passing for white" was something that few could do, but was a very valuable thing to be able to do, although at tremendous cost to one's personal identity and psyche. Being a Mulatto simply did not cut it. I just don't think that people's perceptions have changed that much in that regard today. Obama is widely known as the first black president rather than the first president who is 50% white. i pointed out that Thomas Jefferson could be considered our first black president, using that same standard. they didn't teach me that in High School. what about you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:00:11 GMT -5
We can go on for pages with this type of exchange. Right on back to when they were writing the constitution. I'll just stop now. i doubt you could top the PATRIOT Act. but give it your best shot. How good or bad the patriot act is, is a viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 11:03:04 GMT -5
Back before our supremely enlightened age post Selma (sarcasm intended) anyone with a hint of black blood was considered to be black. It was a true scarlet letter. "Passing for white" was something that few could do, but was a very valuable thing to be able to do, although at tremendous cost to one's personal identity and psyche. Being a Mulatto simply did not cut it. I just don't think that people's perceptions have changed that much in that regard today. Obama is widely known as the first black president rather than the first president who is 50% white. From what I remember, blacks thought that way also. How about now? Is white still the standard to aspire to ?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2015 11:20:39 GMT -5
Back before our supremely enlightened age post Selma (sarcasm intended) anyone with a hint of black blood was considered to be black. It was a true scarlet letter. "Passing for white" was something that few could do, but was a very valuable thing to be able to do, although at tremendous cost to one's personal identity and psyche. Being a Mulatto simply did not cut it. I just don't think that people's perceptions have changed that much in that regard today. Obama is widely known as the first black president rather than the first president who is 50% white. From what I remember, blacks thought that way also. How about now? Is white still the standard to aspire to ? Purely a guess on my part, but I think the cost of being black in our society and the cost of passing for white is much closer to balancing out if not tipped the other way but it would be an individual determination.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 15:27:09 GMT -5
Back before our supremely enlightened age post Selma (sarcasm intended) anyone with a hint of black blood was considered to be black. It was a true scarlet letter. "Passing for white" was something that few could do, but was a very valuable thing to be able to do, although at tremendous cost to one's personal identity and psyche. Being a Mulatto simply did not cut it. I just don't think that people's perceptions have changed that much in that regard today. Obama is widely known as the first black president rather than the first president who is 50% white. How does Obama identify himself? As black or as 50% black?
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2015 15:39:53 GMT -5
Back before our supremely enlightened age post Selma (sarcasm intended) anyone with a hint of black blood was considered to be black. It was a true scarlet letter. "Passing for white" was something that few could do, but was a very valuable thing to be able to do, although at tremendous cost to one's personal identity and psyche. Being a Mulatto simply did not cut it. I just don't think that people's perceptions have changed that much in that regard today. Obama is widely known as the first black president rather than the first president who is 50% white. How does Obama identify himself? As black or as 50% black? POTUS?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 18:46:18 GMT -5
How does Obama identify himself? As black or as 50% black? POTUS? What is your point? We all know Obama is president. Deminmaine mentioned ambiguity about his race. I think Obama gets to decide what race he calls himself and I was curious.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 29, 2015 18:50:09 GMT -5
What is your point? We all know Obama is president. Deminmaine mentioned ambiguity about his race. I think Obama gets to decide what race he calls himself and I was curious. I was just thinking it might help in your research to find an answer to your question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 19:35:58 GMT -5
Back before our supremely enlightened age post Selma (sarcasm intended) anyone with a hint of black blood was considered to be black. It was a true scarlet letter. "Passing for white" was something that few could do, but was a very valuable thing to be able to do, although at tremendous cost to one's personal identity and psyche. Being a Mulatto simply did not cut it. I just don't think that people's perceptions have changed that much in that regard today. Obama is widely known as the first black president rather than the first president who is 50% white. How does Obama identify himself? As black or as 50% black? Asked to Declare His Race, Obama Checks ‘Black’... A White House spokesman confirmed that Mr. Obama, the son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas, checked African-American on the 2010 census questionnaire. ... ETA: legally, based on his parentage, on that census he could have checked either "black", "white", "both black AND white (both boxes)" or "other" (and then filled in something to the effect of: "mixed race", or "mulatto", or "half black + half white", or "mixed parentage- white and black"
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 30, 2015 0:49:53 GMT -5
i doubt you could top the PATRIOT Act. but give it your best shot. How good or bad the patriot act is, is a viewpoint. from the viewpoint of a civil libertarian, it is objectively horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 6:04:03 GMT -5
from the viewpoint of a civil libertarian, it is objectively horrible. Something we definitely agree on!
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