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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 17:56:59 GMT -5
I empathize wth you and other Californians, Kent.
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Post by kent on Mar 17, 2015 18:49:47 GMT -5
I empathize wth you and other Californians, Kent. Thanks Tenn! It really is a frightening situation that seems to be of importance only to a minority of residents - so far. Once really major restrictions kick in, I suspect more will be concerned but I doubt it will be enough to trigger something as dramatic as a modern-era Manhattan Project.
Property values will collapse to near zero regardless of how nice a house is. Who in the hell is going to buy a house that has no (or extremely limited) water service? Maybe now is a good time to sell and get out while the getting is good.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 17, 2015 18:52:36 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad.
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Post by kent on Mar 17, 2015 19:07:17 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad. If the projection is right, I don't think anything can be done in a timely fashion.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 17, 2015 19:53:59 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad. Send all the Mexican illegals home, and they have water immediately available!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 19:59:42 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad. Send all the Mexican illegals home, and they have water immediately available! How will plenty of water be available in California if the Mexican illegals go home? Please explain.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 17, 2015 20:04:24 GMT -5
Send all the Mexican illegals home, and they have water immediately available! How will plenty of water be available in California if the Mexican illegals go home? Please explain. Send several million illegals home, and you save on energy needs as well as plenty of water. Everyone uses water.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 17, 2015 20:09:09 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad. If the projection is right, I don't think anything can be done in a timely fashion.
Folsom Lake - or what's left of it.
That's just pitiful!
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 20:09:51 GMT -5
How will plenty of water be available in California if the Mexican illegals go home? Please explain. Send several million illegals home, and you save on energy needs as well as plenty of water. Everyone uses water. There is little water for Californians because there is little snow pack in the mountains these past years. The drinking water, the water for crops, the water for golf courses, comes from the melted snow pack which hardly exist. Where do you think the water in the reservoirs comes from?.
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Post by jkapp on Mar 17, 2015 20:23:05 GMT -5
Send several million illegals home, and you save on energy needs as well as plenty of water. Everyone uses water. There is little water for Californians because there is little snow pack in the mountains these past years. The drinking water, the water for crops, the water for golf courses, comes from the melted snow pack which hardly exist. Where do you think the water in the reservoirs comes from?. And in Boston this year they spending millions trucking snow to melters because they had too much...the two states should have struck some kind of deal for all that snow!
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 17, 2015 20:33:25 GMT -5
Well, we all know the illegals are not going anywhere, so California is up the river without a paddle, but since there will be no water in the river, they can get out and walk upstream What happens if there are no strawberries or lettuce to pick next year? Chinese imports of contaminated food stock?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 20:38:35 GMT -5
Well, we all know the illegals are not going anywhere, so California is up the river without a paddle, but since there will be no water in the river, they can get out and walk upstream What happens if there are no strawberries or lettuce to pick next year? Chinese imports of contaminated food stock? Still waiting for an answer how the legal residents of California, especially southern California, are going to have all the water they need if the illegal Mexicans leave. How will southern California fill up their resevoirs if there is no precipitation, especially in the mountains?
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 20:44:13 GMT -5
There is little water for Californians because there is little snow pack in the mountains these past years. The drinking water, the water for crops, the water for golf courses, comes from the melted snow pack which hardly exist. Where do you think the water in the reservoirs comes from?. And in Boston this year they spending millions trucking snow to melters because they had too much...the two states should have struck some kind of deal for all that snow! If only they were next-door neighbors.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 21:01:02 GMT -5
There are by most estimates, several million illegals living in California currently. We currently have a water shortage. If there were several million fewer people that needed water in the state it would help alleviate, or help exacerbate the water shortage? This isn't exactly rocket surgery here. Would it solve the water shortage, by itself? Almost definitely not. The vast majority of the fresh water used in California is used in agriculture, and we don't just grow that food for Californians. Farmers are going to want to grow almonds for export whether almond consumption goes up or down in California alone. Keep in mind the original statement you quoted was the following You added the word plenty in your reply. The statement didn't say it would solve the water shortage, just that doing so would immediately free up some quantity of water, which is pretty easily provable to be true. It's also never going to happen, and completely unrealistic, but if it did happen it would definitely lower water consumption in the state by some amount. Water is immediately available today, whether there are illegal aliens there now or not. What I highlighted you wrote says it all. You have a water shortage with or without illegal immigrants. Oh you might have another year so of water without illegal immigrants but that only delsys the inevitable. It is going to get far worse before it get better, if at all in the foreseeable future.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 17, 2015 21:04:26 GMT -5
And a very large number of illegal immigrants will leave California as there will be fewer farms where crops need to be tended and harvested.
You have a precipitation problem. And it could go on for years.
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Post by EVT1 on Mar 17, 2015 22:45:09 GMT -5
CA should just follow Florida's example and simply omit the use of the terms 'drought' or 'water shortage' when it comes to planning for the future Several studies have been released that call into question the science behind drought measurement and whether or not humans have any effect on water use. "It's a hoax" said a roundtable of prominent CEO's from the golf, sprinkler, and car wash industries.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 18, 2015 2:32:18 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad. Send all the Mexican illegals home, and they have water immediately available! most illegals in CA are not from Mexico.
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Post by weltschmerz on Mar 18, 2015 4:10:51 GMT -5
It's darned scary, kent! I can't imagine what, at this point, can be done that can be effective in time. So sad. Send all the Mexican illegals home, and they have water immediately available! You'd be better off getting rid of all the golfers. In Palm Springs alone, there are 57 golf courses. Each course uses a million gallons of water a day.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 18, 2015 6:18:15 GMT -5
And a very large number of illegal immigrants will leave California as there will be fewer farms where crops need to be tended and harvested. You have a precipitation problem. And it could go on for years. Tennesseer, sorry I did not respond to your last question to me, but I was not here at the time. As you can see, Dark answered the question for me. It's a start! As far as picking crops, this falls under the law of unintended consequences. We will have to work on that issue. My THOUGHTS? Have the able bodied people on welfare for more than two years undergo work in the fields, to continue benefits. Either the crops get picked, or welfare benefits drop.
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Post by resolution on Mar 18, 2015 6:48:32 GMT -5
I thought this was an interesting article about how water rights to the Colorado River were set up. web.stanford.edu/group/ruralwest/cgi-bin/drupal/content/what-seven-states-can-agree-do-deal-making-colorado-river
I know over the years there have been numerous attempts between California and neighboring states to set up sales of water, but there is the constant concern that if it is sold there they could eventually claim water rights. At one point there was a scheme to pump the river water into the ground and then sell the ground water, but I don't think it ever came to anything.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 18, 2015 7:39:14 GMT -5
Send all the Mexican illegals home, and they have water immediately available! You'd be better off getting rid of all the golfers. In Palm Springs alone, there are 57 golf courses. Each course uses a million gallons of water a day.
www.soilmoisture.com/green.html
That's ridiculous. California will have to decide if it wants to devote the water resources to sustaining humans or for agriculture/recreational needs. If they wanted to sustain the highest possible number of humans, they will buy up the farms and let them return to a natural state, and outlaw any recreational uses of water, like pools (except salt water pools), fountains, golf courses, etc. Lawns would have to be dug up and replaced, unless the home owners can water it through grey water discharges from their homes. Don't see that happening, though. Requires too much teamwork and political agreement. Too many lobbying groups would fight against it.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 18, 2015 7:42:17 GMT -5
And a very large number of illegal immigrants will leave California as there will be fewer farms where crops need to be tended and harvested. You have a precipitation problem. And it could go on for years. Tennesseer, sorry I did not respond to your last question to me, but I was not here at the time. As you can see, Dark answered the question for me. It's a start! As far as picking crops, this falls under the law of unintended consequences. We will have to work on that issue. My THOUGHTS? Have the able bodied people on welfare for more than two years undergo work in the fields, to continue benefits. Either the crops get picked, or welfare benefits drop. There won't be crops if water gets so expensive farmers can't afford to irrigate. So I don't think your dream to make welfare people toil in the fields will actually come to fruition.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 18, 2015 7:44:14 GMT -5
California environmentalist have brought this on themselves.
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Post by justme on Mar 18, 2015 7:54:27 GMT -5
Salt water pools are made by taking fresh water and adding salt to it. So I don't know how they're any better than regular pools. Though at least in California they're filled year round so it's not like every spring everyone takes a ton of water.
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 18, 2015 7:58:21 GMT -5
California environmentalist have brought this on themselves. Please elaborate.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 18, 2015 8:13:42 GMT -5
We have to save the fishes, If we use up all the ocean water where will all the fishes live??
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 18, 2015 8:21:03 GMT -5
I see opportunity here. yes!! 1. I have water for sale, $10.00 a gallon, you haul. 2. If you are thinking of moving, Contrary to one of my post AZ. is a terrible place to move to. Yes ! Oldcoyote lives there, you might end up my neighbor, That only should scare the bejeeesas out of you. (I just made up that word)
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Mar 18, 2015 8:31:23 GMT -5
Water is not priced appropriately in California to signal its scarcity. For example "In Fresno, which gets less than 11 inches of rain a year, a family of four using 400 gallons a day faces a monthly water bill of $28.26. In Boston, where rainfall exceeds 40 inches, the same family would pay $77.73." And i think it is worse for Farmers, the price of water should be allowed to rise
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Post by mmhmm on Mar 18, 2015 8:33:00 GMT -5
We have to save the fishes, If we use up all the ocean water where will all the fishes live?? LOL! Thanks! I figured that was a strong dose of bull hockey but decided to give it a chance.
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