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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 11:47:30 GMT -5
it seems like Obama would want to at least mention it. in April we broke the old employment record of 138.4M the horrible losses of the great recession are officially over. not even a whisper from the "liberal media". or, if there was, i missed it. anyone notice/ point it out? research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PAYEMS/
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 12:02:58 GMT -5
small correction: ABC reported on it in June. that is the only reference i have found. i guess it just doesn't fit in with the doom and gloom defeatism of the last six years.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 13, 2014 16:16:33 GMT -5
Yeah, record employment. Sure. Yeah right. Not sure what industry is supposedly booming. But, funny that Libs are quick to take credit for anything good happening and say "oh well because of Obama..", but curiously , Obama is never to blame or held accountable for anything bad, and it's BUSH's fault, lol.
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Post by Shooby on Sept 13, 2014 16:17:15 GMT -5
But, rather than actually looking at reality, just pretend instead that the world is exactly as you wish it would be.
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 16:22:36 GMT -5
it seems like Obama would want to at least mention it. in April we broke the old employment record of 138.4M the horrible losses of the great recession are officially over. not even a whisper from the "liberal media". or, if there was, i missed it. anyone notice/ point it out? research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/PAYEMS/I've been under-employed for over three years, a new record for me. I'll celebrate when I get a FT job or you guys start sending me enough things/$$. (FWIW, I worked 9AM to 1:30PM in Princeton(scheduled for 8-2, oops on them, student orders slowed down & not much to do, so was told I might as well punch out early. Left house at 6:30AM! Used Tiger Transit and lot 21 for the first time... Today its 5ish PM and I want dinner. Its at home, and I luckily managed to eat lunch, by grilling my homemade frozen turkey burger w/ some waffle fries on my not entirely clean George Foreman grill, but good enough for Optimist today. )
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 17:59:54 GMT -5
Um, it's completely untrue. That's why it's not being reported. We have a record LOW number of people in FULL TIME work no, it is completely true. we have record employment. it is a fact, Paul. that is based on "full time equivalent jobs". and as far as full time employment, you are WAY OFF. we are only 1M jobs below the peak set in 2007 (and above ALL OTHER YEARS ON RECORD). we will absolutely break it in the next year. maybe even this year. all of this this IN SPITE OF the lowest WFP in a generation makes the fact even more amazing. but i guess anything that even suggests that things are getting better is a losing argument for conservatives.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 18:07:59 GMT -5
Yeah, record employment. Sure. Yeah right. yes. right. it is totally true.Not sure what industry is supposedly booming. you should look it up. it is not that hard. but since you won't, let me tell you.
educational and healthcare services are both booming. mining is a small sector, but it is also raging. 4.6% employment growth per year.
But, funny that Libs are quick to take credit for anything good happening and say "oh well because of Obama..", i never said it was "because of anything". i merely pointed out that we have had a full recovery. blame it on Romney, if you like.but curiously , Obama is never to blame or held accountable for anything bad, and it's BUSH's fault, lol. bullshit. i have said it a dozen times, but i will say it again here: i hold him responsible for carrying on Bush's atrocious foreign policy, spying, and upping the ante on the drone and money supply crap. if it doesn't kill us in the long term, it most certainly won't help. but that had nothing to do with my point- which is this: the US has record employment. period. fact. is nothing good news to you, Shooby?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 18:10:01 GMT -5
But, rather than actually looking at reality, just pretend instead that the world is exactly as you wish it would be. the world is horribly flawed, but it would be made better by you responding to what i write, rather than making shit up.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 18:11:26 GMT -5
so i guess what Jon Stewart is fond of saying is true. conservatives don't live in the fact-based universe.
if it is good news, it can't possibly be true because....Obama?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 18:24:01 GMT -5
Well... considering population growth, that's not really an amazing feat. What would be an amazing feat would be if unemployment was at record lows instead.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 18:42:00 GMT -5
Well... considering population growth, that's not really an amazing feat. What would be an amazing feat would be if unemployment was at record lows instead. now THERE is a cogent reply. thank you, Richard. you didn't deny the fact, you put it in context. KUDOS! you are absolutely right. it was bound to happen EVENTUALLY. but my point is, that it DID finally happen. does that not even bring a smile to anyone's face? or are we permanently stuck in FrownLand? job growth is quite good, by the way. if this keeps up, people like Opti and the LTUE will be lifted, as well. we should all be cheering this on, and doing everything to keep it going, right? i did my part this year. hired another kid in July. gonna hire and AA before the end of the year.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 19:43:05 GMT -5
We also have a record population. It grows pretty much every year, so we should have record employment pretty much every year. I'll get excited when the percentage gets decent. Total number is completely meaningless without also mentioning population totals. we had record population in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. we did not have record employment. so, no. it is NOT totally meaningless. it is not even "largely meaningless". it is a milestone, and we should be happy about it. grumpy toy guy. oh, and by the way, your statement about UE lacks all historical perspective. let me illustrate WHY. "full employment" is considered to be 5%. UE is now 6.2% that is "good". it does not merit the whining i see on this thread. furthermore, let's consider the SECOND largest recession since WW2- the one that happened under Reagan. during the Reagan administration, UE went OVER 10% (higher than under Obama). at the end of Reagan's SIXTH YEAR, UE was as high as Obama's is right now. Reagan never got to "full employment". and yet, if you talk to any conservative (and many liberals) they will sing the praises of the Great Reagan as the the heady economic savior of the post WW2 period. now, i don't expect anyone to do that with Obama. clearly he is not in line for even the faintest praise. however, the whining and bitching is pretty hilarious, if you put it in perspective. you are usually fairly reasonable, Shaun. why are you towing the conservative whine line, here?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 19:48:35 GMT -5
the argument really doesn't even make sense.
during the Bush administration, he made huge hay of the fact that "more Americans owned homes than at any time during history". now, a skeptic or critic could have pointed out to him a couple of facts. they could have trivialized it, as you just did, by saying that "we had a record population". or they could have pointed out that the mortgages were record low quality (don't know if it is true, but i think it is likely). i don't remember anyone doing that. instead, he was allowed to run on that as part of his campaign and nobody questioned it. that is a positive case.
here is a negative one. people constantly bitch about the "debt". and it is true that the debt it at a record level. but adjusted for inflation, and adjusted for growth in the economy, it is not at a record level. when i point that out, i get shouted down, because...Obama i guess?
seriously, i don't get it. since when have we become a nation that is so reluctant to celebrate stuff that is going right?
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 19:51:10 GMT -5
Um, it's completely untrue. That's why it's not being reported. We have a record LOW number of people in FULL TIME work no, it is completely true. we have record employment. it is a fact, Paul. that is based on "full time equivalent jobs".
and as far as full time employment, you are WAY OFF. we are only 1M jobs below the peak set in 2007 (and above ALL OTHER YEARS ON RECORD). we will absolutely break it in the next year. maybe even this year. all of this this IN SPITE OF the lowest WFP in a generation makes the fact even more amazing. but i guess anything that even suggests that things are getting better is a losing argument for conservatives. I'll just note that stat rests on FT equivalent which is similar to muring man/woman hours to do a task and other things.
Optimistst4Statistics, humbly points out in camaflouges a multitude of sins from smoothing out the curves between people working two to three jobs versus those with non in their field or only working PT.
I would like to see other things measured. I don't feel it is in the best interest of the US to be content with employment at some artificial level if the continues to show the growth of the temporary workforce(w/ lower pay, job instability) and the composition of the workforce tilting more and more to retail/service.
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 19:52:33 GMT -5
the argument really doesn't even make sense. during the Bush administration, he made huge hay of the fact that "more Americans owned homes than at any time during history". now, a skeptic or critic could have pointed out to him a couple of facts. they could have trivialized it, as you just did, by saying that "we had a record population". or they could have pointed out that the mortgages were record low quality (don't know if it is true, but i think it is likely). i don't remember anyone doing that. instead, he was allowed to run on that as part of his campaign and nobody questioned it. that is a positive case. here is a negative one. people constantly bitch about the "debt". and it is true that the debt it at a record level. but adjusted for inflation, and adjusted for growth in the economy, it is not at a record level. when i point that out, i get shouted down, because...Obama i guess? seriously, i don't get it. since when have we become a nation that is so reluctant to celebrate stuff that is going right? sad. Actually, the house thing was true and things kind of went south shortly after reaching that goal...
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 19:54:00 GMT -5
no, it is completely true. we have record employment. it is a fact, Paul. that is based on "full time equivalent jobs".
and as far as full time employment, you are WAY OFF. we are only 1M jobs below the peak set in 2007 (and above ALL OTHER YEARS ON RECORD). we will absolutely break it in the next year. maybe even this year. all of this this IN SPITE OF the lowest WFP in a generation makes the fact even more amazing. but i guess anything that even suggests that things are getting better is a losing argument for conservatives. I'll just note that stat rests on FT equivalent which is similar to muring man/woman hours to do a task and other things.
Optimistst4Statistics, humbly points out in camaflouges a multitude of sins from smoothing out the curves between people working two to three jobs versus those with non in their field or only working PT.
I would like to see other things measured. I don't feel it is in the best interest of the US to be content with employment at some artificial level if the continues to show the growth of the temporary workforce(w/ lower pay, job instability) and the composition of the workforce tilting more and more to retail/service.
Opti- i like you, but you too are missing my point. in fact, i think you need to read post 11. i mentioned your name in it. i never claimed we should put our feet up on the Ottoman. i never claimed that the job is OVER. it isn't. there are way too many LTUE. there are not enough FT workers. i concede that. but can't you just, amidst all of your personal suffering, acknowledge that UE has dropped 4% and nearly 10M people have found SOME SORT OF WORK? seriously, the mood on this thread is baffling.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 19:56:32 GMT -5
the argument really doesn't even make sense. during the Bush administration, he made huge hay of the fact that "more Americans owned homes than at any time during history". now, a skeptic or critic could have pointed out to him a couple of facts. they could have trivialized it, as you just did, by saying that "we had a record population". or they could have pointed out that the mortgages were record low quality (don't know if it is true, but i think it is likely). i don't remember anyone doing that. instead, he was allowed to run on that as part of his campaign and nobody questioned it. that is a positive case. here is a negative one. people constantly bitch about the "debt". and it is true that the debt it at a record level. but adjusted for inflation, and adjusted for growth in the economy, it is not at a record level. when i point that out, i get shouted down, because...Obama i guess? seriously, i don't get it. since when have we become a nation that is so reluctant to celebrate stuff that is going right? sad. Actually, the house thing was true and things kind of went south shortly after reaching that goal...
of course it was true. that is why i mentioned it! my point was this: we were optimistic in 2004. we looked at the bright spots and celebrated them*. we didn't question them. that is because, i THINK, we felt we were a great nation, an unbreakable nation- and a place of hope. so, what happened, Opti? *i say "bright spots" because the economy actually kinda sucked, and for a lot of the reasons it kinda sucks now- but even worse. WFP had just had it's steepest decline since WW2. even though UE was low, the economy basically didn't add jobs for EIGHT YEARS under Bush. but when he pointed to the bright spot, that people owned homes, we were prepared to accept that as a "bright spot". now, i have pointed out something that is a bright spot. but nobody seems willing to accept it. sad.
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 19:59:38 GMT -5
We also have a record population. It grows pretty much every year, so we should have record employment pretty much every year. I'll get excited when the percentage gets decent. Total number is completely meaningless without also mentioning population totals. we had record population in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. we did not have record employment. so, no. it is NOT totally meaningless. it is not even "largely meaningless". it is a milestone, and we should be happy about it. grumpy toy guy. oh, and by the way, your statement about UE lacks all historical perspective. let me illustrate WHY. "full employment" is considered to be 5%. UE is now 6.2% that is "good". it does not merit the whining i see on this thread. furthermore, let's consider the SECOND largest recession since WW2- the one that happened under Reagan. during the Reagan administration, UE went OVER 10% (higher than under Obama). at the end of Reagan's SIXTH YEAR, UE was as high as Obama's is right now. Reagan never got to "full employment". and yet, if you talk to any conservative (and many liberals) they will sing the praises of the Great Reagan as the the heady economic savior of the post WW2 period. now, i don't expect anyone to do that with Obama. clearly he is not in line for even the faintest praise. however, the whining and bitching is pretty hilarious, if you put it in perspective. you are usually fairly reasonable, Shaun. why are you towing the conservative whine line, here? He is being reasonable.
DJ, you are speaking from the point of view of a business owner who has been doing well. Have no idea what your STEM status one way or the other.
Shaun, is talking as a former UNIX admin who finally got kissed hard by freality and had his (first?) encounter with when low ball bidders win and how it effects you and your employment.
I might post some bonafides later. Really only someone who worked with me is likely to figure it out, but still, I'm keeping it semi-clean until I "come out" on the rest of social media in RL and at least have a presence where people can find me.
FWIW, BOHICA was a favorite phrase during the time I had employment as a UNIX admin for Lucent which at that time cut loose many employees into IBM's contractor workforce. (I worked for a subcontractor to IBM on that Lucent contract.)
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:05:14 GMT -5
look people.....
recently i refinanced my house. i tried doing it twice before and failed due to lack of equity and too much debt. but because my house value has risen dramatically this year, and because my debt has fallen, i became eligible, and i got a great mortgage, with no out of pocket expenses.
now, i could have bitched and moaned about my high debt load- about the fact that my salary has barely kept up with inflation. about how little i have in my retirement account. about how i have not saved a dime for my son's education in six years. and all of that is true. but i celebrated the refi. it was an achievement. it was a goal. it was a marker of progress.
have we really reached the point where we can't even celebrate small gains? really?
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 20:07:46 GMT -5
I'll just note that stat rests on FT equivalent which is similar to muring man/woman hours to do a task and other things.
Optimistst4Statistics, humbly points out in camaflouges a multitude of sins from smoothing out the curves between people working two to three jobs versus those with non in their field or only working PT.
I would like to see other things measured. I don't feel it is in the best interest of the US to be content with employment at some artificial level if the continues to show the growth of the temporary workforce(w/ lower pay, job instability) and the composition of the workforce tilting more and more to retail/service.
Opti- i like you, but you too are missing my point. in fact, i think you need to read post 11. i mentioned your name in it. i never claimed we should put our feet up on the Ottoman. i never claimed that the job is OVER. it isn't. there are way too many LTUE. there are not enough FT workers. i concede that. but can't you just, amidst all of your personal suffering, acknowledge that UE has dropped 4% and nearly 10M people have found SOME SORT OF WORK? ies seriously, the mood on this thread is baffling. DJ I know its improving.
The mood isn't that baffling. You are living a different type of weekend than I am. I just short with a nurse tonight when she whined about the fact my break to run to the closest grocery store might take more than 15 minutes and how WOULD she know when I was back? So, I said here's the clipboard with all the Front Desk info I am leaving with you in the nursing office(temp) and you'll know I am back when I come to get it. She thought it was OK that the nursing supervisor refuse his duties to cover he Front desk for those 15 or so minutes, but apparently it was *just* *TOO* *much* that I dared go get food and not wait until after 8PM to buy food at the grocery store at eat dinner.
Further, The nursing supervisor is probably in his low 30s, The RN, who I normally love, is 47.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:10:12 GMT -5
we had record population in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. we did not have record employment. so, no. it is NOT totally meaningless. it is not even "largely meaningless". it is a milestone, and we should be happy about it. grumpy toy guy. oh, and by the way, your statement about UE lacks all historical perspective. let me illustrate WHY. "full employment" is considered to be 5%. UE is now 6.2% that is "good". it does not merit the whining i see on this thread. furthermore, let's consider the SECOND largest recession since WW2- the one that happened under Reagan. during the Reagan administration, UE went OVER 10% (higher than under Obama). at the end of Reagan's SIXTH YEAR, UE was as high as Obama's is right now. Reagan never got to "full employment". and yet, if you talk to any conservative (and many liberals) they will sing the praises of the Great Reagan as the the heady economic savior of the post WW2 period. now, i don't expect anyone to do that with Obama. clearly he is not in line for even the faintest praise. however, the whining and bitching is pretty hilarious, if you put it in perspective. you are usually fairly reasonable, Shaun. why are you towing the conservative whine line, here? He is being reasonable.
he is missing the point entirely, and lacking all historical perspective, imo. his POV and yours may be entirely valid for you, but this economy is actually doing very well. i am utterly sympathetic if it is not doing well for you, but i don't think you are the norm.
DJ, you are speaking from the point of view of a business owner who has been doing well. Have no idea what your STEM status one way or the other. Shaun, is talking as a former UNIX admin who finally got kissed hard by freality and had his (first?) encounter with when low ball bidders win and how it effects you and your employment.
I might post some bonafides later. Really only someone who worked with me is likely to figure it out, but still, I'm keeping it semi-clean until I "come out" on the rest of social media in RL and at least have a presence where people can find me.
FWIW, BOHICA was a favorite phrase during the time I had employment as a UNIX admin for Lucent which at that time cut loose many employees into IBM's contractor workforce. (I worked for a subcontractor to IBM on that Lucent contract.)
sorry, but i understood almost none of that. i am in manufacturing and advertizing (two wildly different businesses). everybody i talk to is doing really incredibly well. and you are right, it impacts my perspective. i have a hard time understanding those that are not doing well. but i don't think that it is "just me". it isn't. it is literally everyone i know. and i know that is a small universe. but it covers a lot of ground. ok, fine. everything sucks, i guess. except for everyone i know personally. sheesh.
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 20:12:41 GMT -5
look people..... recently i refinanced my house. i tried doing it twice before and failed due to lack of equity and too much debt. but because my house value has risen dramatically this year, and because my debt has fallen, i became eligible, and i got a great mortgage, with no out of pocket expenses. now, i could have bitched and moaned about my high debt load- about the fact that my salary has barely kept up with inflation. about how little i have in my retirement account. about how i have not saved a dime for my son's education in six years. and all of that is true. but i celebrated the refi. it was an achievement. it was a goal. it was a marker of progress. have we really reached the point where we can't even celeou brate small gains? really? Crap wrong button.
Yes I celebrate small gains, but *you aren't living our reality*. Shaun has shared some of his. I have shared only bits and pieces of my near fore-closure story which ended with the sale being recorded on Valentines Day in 2007 I guess so I could never forget.
Listen I refinanced house #1 with Hubby #1 when I made the choice between quitting a stressful job at AT&T and quitting the Hubby. (I sometimes wish I could go back and try it the other way. ) When hubby remarried, I found out about that refinance and that it hadn't happened like the divorce decree had
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 13, 2014 20:13:20 GMT -5
Well... considering population growth, that's not really an amazing feat. What would be an amazing feat would be if unemployment was at record lows instead. Yeah- rate, not nominal jobs is what matters. In Realville, the unemployment rate is close to 17%. 260K jobs a month from January 2009 would mean keeping pace with population growth. Haven't seen anything remotely like that. Nothing to see here.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:14:04 GMT -5
Just not seeing it in my area I guess. I know too many people that are still unemployed, underemployed, and struggling with debt. The official unemployment rate really isn't that bad. What I'm realizing, since this is the first recession I've seen as a working age adult, is that even when unemployment starts going back down the economy is still pretty shitty. A guy who lost a full time $50k a year job and replaced it with a full time $25k a year job is according to employment statistics fully recovered. If you go out and shoot pool/drink with that guy every once in a while, he sure as fuck doesn't feel fully recovered. You know what I'm sayin? I don't doubt your stats at all, you're one of the few posters over here that doesn't post snippets from blogs, or blatant propaganda sites, but my circle of friends and customers are still struggling. Shaun, i am convinced that has to change. i have hired two entry level workers in the last 12 months that make more than $25k/year. as the employment pool dries up, the wages will HAVE TO RISE, unless there is something uniquely bad about your industry, which i doubt. but again, you have my sympathies. i hate to see people so down that they can't appreciate a sunrise.
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Post by Opti on Sept 13, 2014 20:15:01 GMT -5
But this is why I have to go to church tomorrow and see my peeps. They will remind what to focus on and why it is all good.
Tonight, since I am exhausted with still way much to do, I'm on optimism lite.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:19:16 GMT -5
Well... considering population growth, that's not really an amazing feat. What would be an amazing feat would be if unemployment was at record lows instead. Yeah- rate, not nominal jobs is what matters. In Realville, the unemployment rate is close to 17%. how do you figure that?260K jobs a month from January 2009 would mean keeping pace with population growth. Haven't seen anything remotely like that. Nothing to see here. that is factually incorrect. population growth is 0.128% per month. that is less than 90k/month in population growth. check it out. the number you are quoting has been discredited for a long time. the new number for people entering the job force is about half that. listen, we can have an intelligent conversation here. i don't think i am making any outrageous claims. you shouldn't either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:22:32 GMT -5
look people..... recently i refinanced my house. i tried doing it twice before and failed due to lack of equity and too much debt. but because my house value has risen dramatically this year, and because my debt has fallen, i became eligible, and i got a great mortgage, with no out of pocket expenses. now, i could have bitched and moaned about my high debt load- about the fact that my salary has barely kept up with inflation. about how little i have in my retirement account. about how i have not saved a dime for my son's education in six years. and all of that is true. but i celebrated the refi. it was an achievement. it was a goal. it was a marker of progress. have we really reached the point where we can't even celeou brate small gains? really? Crap wrong button.
Yes I celebrate small gains, but *you aren't living our reality*. Shaun has shared some of his. I have shared only bits and pieces of my near fore-closure story which ended with the sale being recorded on Valentines Day in 2007 I guess so I could never forget.
Listen I refinanced house #1 with Hubby #1 when I made the choice between quitting a stressful job at AT&T and quitting the Hubby. (I sometimes wish I could go back and try it the other way. ) When hubby remarried, I found out about that refinance and that it hadn't happened like the divorce decree had
let me just ask you a simple question: do you think your "reality" is more real than mine? let me answer first: i think i have had a really good "reality". things have gone well for me. and i know, for example, that average wages have not kept pace with inflation. mine have. so, i have a lot to be thankful for, and i know that i am in the minority. you are struggling, part time, and went through a near bankruptcy. i realize that things are really hard for you (and, i guess, Shaun)- but my impression is that you are ALSO in the minority. my impression is that MOST people are doing "OK". not great, maybe not even as well as they were doing up to 2007- but OK. is that what you think, too?
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:28:38 GMT -5
I'm sure they will. Just seems like it's taking an awfully long time for this whole thing to turn around. that is because this recession was FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT than any since the 30's. have you heard that before, or do you need me to explain WHY?Every recession probably feels longer while you're going through it, and relatively short in hindsight. This area is picking up a bit, but there are still plenty of people struggling. Hell, just look at the posters on this board. There are a bunch that never lost their jobs or took pay cuts during the recession, but they also haven't had raises in years, in some cases with their workload increasing quite a bit during that time. I KNOW. and part of the reason i started this thread is that it freaks me out, Shaun. as i said before, i literally know NOBODY that is doing worse than 4 years ago, today. when i say KNOW, i mean KNOW PERSONALLY. i don't really know anyone on this board, but i am gathering that they are MOSTLY different from people i know- which is both interesting and puzzling.I'm glad we hit record employment. I'm glad the unemployment rate is continuing to drop. We're a long way from sunshine, rainbows, a home in the burbs, and 2.5 kids for all. That's all I'm saying. i get it. to prove it, let me add this: we need another 7M jobs to get where we need to be, OK? now, you can look at that and say "hell, we need to add 1M jobs/year and we are only adding about 2-3X that, so it will take FOUR TO SEVEN YEARS to catch up". sure, that is one way of looking at. you can call it pragmatic, or 'reality', or whatever you like. but my whole point is that we have had FIVE YEARS in which we have been catching up, so we are about half way there. i call that progress. i really am sorry it has not done more for you and Opti. i really am. i just think there is reason to be cautiously optimistic.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 13, 2014 20:31:00 GMT -5
But this is why I have to go to church tomorrow and see my peeps. They will remind what to focus on and why it is all good.
Tonight, since I am exhausted with still way much to do, I'm on optimism lite. work on that. or i will have to ask you to change your avatar.
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