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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 29, 2014 20:07:18 GMT -5
They should come over here and see how some of the Christian denominations fight like cats and dogs.
Throw in the Catholics and watch the fur REALLY fly.
Around these parts Catholics are considered to be Christian. In fact the Jesuits I had were quite sure the Catholics were the originals in that regard . Down here, some say Catholics are not Christians, so say some Southern Baptists.
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Post by dondub on Aug 29, 2014 23:59:42 GMT -5
They are corrupted usurpers of the Word. Peter was not Baptist!
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 30, 2014 9:38:41 GMT -5
They are corrupted usurpers of the Word. Peter was not Baptist! But John was.
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Post by dondub on Aug 30, 2014 10:30:58 GMT -5
Where's the drum roll?
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 2, 2014 11:02:29 GMT -5
They should come over here and see how some of the Christian denominations fight like cats and dogs.
Throw in the Catholics and watch the fur REALLY fly.
Around these parts Catholics are considered to be Christian. In fact the Jesuits I had were quite sure the Catholics were the originals in that regard . Down here, some say Catholics are not Christians, so say some Southern Baptists. Catholics are nearly as bad as the Unitarians, and slightly worse than the Episcopalians. And those Presbyterians sprinkle their babies, instead of waiting for them to get older and dunking them completely underwater like they're supposed to - although the Cumberland Presbyterians aren't going to hell quite as quickly as the regular ones.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 2, 2014 11:06:04 GMT -5
Down here, some say Catholics are not Christians, so say some Southern Baptists. Catholics are nearly as bad as the Unitarians, and slightly worse than the Episcopalians. And those Presbyterians sprinkle their babies, instead of waiting for them to get older and dunking them completely underwater like they're supposed to - although the Cumberland Presbyterians aren't going to hell quite as quickly as the regular ones. Having attended Catholic grammar and high schools in Massachusetts, I remember one nun in grammar school telling us if our families ever found ourselves in an area where there were no Catholic churches to attend Sunday mass, it was perfectly acceptable to attend an Episcopalian church service. J-u-s-t about the same in outlook.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 4, 2014 15:15:55 GMT -5
again, i don't think this has much to do with religion. what Pape discovered is that the only role religion plays in suicide terrorism is reinforcing "otherness". in other words, it is rare for suicide terrorists to attack those of their own religion. but about half of the world's terrorism is done by people whose religions are other than Islam. i know you know that, EVT, because we have discussed it. so, like you, i don't give a damn about the religion of the terrorist, either- nor do i think it leads to any understanding of their actions. we in the West tend to think it does. but that is the wrong path if you want to make any sense of this. it is about "otherness". it is about "alien occupation". i would posit that our response of rage and vengeance is precisely what they want. but i will admit that it is rather hard to control that. do keep in mind one thing, however: that instinct is what got us into Iraq- so it is a good thing to try to fight, if you have the will. I wonder really, if we did leave them alone, would they leave us alone? If we picked up stakes and left them to live in the 5th century would they leave us alone? Or do they need an enemy, someone to blame for their problems?
I don't really know the answer, but I kind of get the feeling sometimes that the west is just a scapegoat, just as much as an alien occupying force.
It is interesting you propose that religion is not the driving force behind much of terrorism. How do you explain the calls for global Jihad and the establishment of a worldwide Islamist theocracy governed by Sharia law? I'm not saying your wrong, your points make sense, but many of these leaders are calling for a worldwide theocracy. Why shouldn't we believe them?
They would consolidate their power in the middle east, and then come after us. Chamberlain tried the "if we just leave them alone we'll have peace" strategy. We employed that strategy with the Japanese. Evil, allowed to fester, will metastasize.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2014 15:23:52 GMT -5
I wonder really, if we did leave them alone, would they leave us alone? If we picked up stakes and left them to live in the 5th century would they leave us alone? Or do they need an enemy, someone to blame for their problems?
I don't really know the answer, but I kind of get the feeling sometimes that the west is just a scapegoat, just as much as an alien occupying force.
It is interesting you propose that religion is not the driving force behind much of terrorism. How do you explain the calls for global Jihad and the establishment of a worldwide Islamist theocracy governed by Sharia law? I'm not saying your wrong, your points make sense, but many of these leaders are calling for a worldwide theocracy. Why shouldn't we believe them?
They would consolidate their power in the middle east, and then come after us. first of all, i doubt that. but what makes you think that they would get that far?Chamberlain tried the "if we just leave them alone we'll have peace" strategy. We employed that strategy with the Japanese. Evil, allowed to fester, will metastasize. we don't give a crap about evil. we let it fester in South Africa for 30 years.
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