Waiting for the other shoe to drop?

[Deleted]

How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?

[thyme4change]

I don't think you can convince anyone of anything.

Well, I guess sometimes you can - if they are looking for answers.

That is why I'm always surprised when an misguided off the cuff remark causes havoc in someone.  Seriously, no one listens to my well thought out, appropriate comments, but if I say "Purple" and smile crooked, someone thinks I've judged their entire wardrobe.

[Rocky Mtn Saver]

To get some help with not causing harm to themselves or others?

[hoops902]

Maybe I'm just not thinking this through enough, but what could someone need help for if they aren't hurting themselves or others? 

[Sum Dum Gai]

I don't think you can convince anyone of anything.

Bull!  You can convince some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time.  You just can't convince all of the people all of the time.

[swamp]

Mar 25, 2013 12:00:56 GMT -5 TheHaitian said:

How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?

You can't.  You can talk to them and explain why it would be a good idea, but until the person sees a reason to go, they won't. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Unless the person agrees with you that they need help, you can't.  All you'll do is piss them off and cause them to move further in the opposite direction.

[thyme4change]

Well, if I was about to drop my shoes, I would totally get help.  What did the shoes do to deserve that?

(I'm assuming we are talking about the loony-bin cousin here.)

[Wisconsin Beth]

Thyme's right.  YOu can't.  I'm assuming this is the wife's cousin who's getting divorced and already having custody issues. 

The best you can try to do is talk about how much better she'll be once she DOES get help.  That asking for help isn't a crime or a sin - that everyone needs help and it takes a strong/big/pick a word person to admit that they need help.  And that mental health issues are real, despite what everyone else in the family is saying.  That for some of us, your brain isn't functioning correctly or producing the right hormones.  And there's no difference in getting that fixed than there is in taking insulin.  That came off the top of my head so I'm sure there's a better example out there, I just can't think of it offhand. 

[Queen of Interesting Nuts]

That's a good one, I feel that way alot. Just keep positive reinforcement on your mind.

[Tennesseer]

"How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?"

I don't understand. If they are not causing any harm to themselves or others, what's the problem. Do you mean not causing any problem yet if you can convince them they are heading down the wrong track?

[thyme4change]

I think he means that someone considers mental health professionals to be harmful in some way.

Meaning, if the cousin goes and gets a diagnosis that she is bi-polar, maybe the ex will use it against her in court and gain custody of the kid, and a high child support payment to go with that custody.

[hoops902]

Mar 25, 2013 12:14:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?"

I don't understand. If they are not causing any harm to themselves or others, what's the problem. Do you mean not causing any problem yet if you can convince them they are heading down the wrong track?

Yeah, I don't get it either.  If someone isn't harming themselves or others, leave them alone.  Otherwise show them HOW they are harming themselves or others.  I literally can't think of a single thing which is not harming yourself or others that someone should be seeking help for. 

[wvugurl26]

Mar 25, 2013 12:14:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?"

I don't understand. If they are not causing any harm to themselves or others, what's the problem. Do you mean not causing any problem yet if you can convince them they are heading down the wrong track?

The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harmed anyone, there is a problem.

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Mar 25, 2013 12:14:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

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Mar 25, 2013 12:14:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?"

I don't understand. If they are not causing any harm to themselves or others, what's the problem. Do you mean not causing any problem yet if you can convince them they are heading down the wrong track?

What's the reasoning behind this question?

[swamp]

We don't know if he's talking about the cousin.  

[Tennesseer]

So does he mean legal advice/help?

[hoops902]

::The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harmed anyone, there is a problem.::

I would say not seeking treatment for a mental illness is causing harm to yourself.  Not to mention what having a loony-bird parent does to a kid, i would call that harming the child also.

[Tennesseer]

I guess this thread is related to another thread where a problem was mentioned.

[hoops902]

Mar 25, 2013 12:18:03 GMT -5 swamp said:

We don't know if he's talking about the cousin.  

We don't know anything!  Only that someone would like to convince someone who's not doing any harm to get some help.  It's so incredibly cryptic that any advice is going to be kind of meaningless.

[Tennesseer]

Mar 25, 2013 12:20:09 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

Mar 25, 2013 12:14:16 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

"How can you get convince someone that is not causing any harm to themselves or others to get some help?"

I don't understand. If they are not causing any harm to themselves or others, what's the problem. Do you mean not causing any problem yet if you can convince them they are heading down the wrong track?

The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harm anyone, there is a problem.

If that is situation, the reason for the breakdown must be addressed.

[Deleted]

You could slip something into their drink that makes them a little loopy, and then have them committed when they are acting unstable.

[wvugurl26]

Mar 25, 2013 12:19:21 GMT -5 hoops902 said:

::The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harmed anyone, there is a problem.::

I would say not seeking treatment for a mental illness is causing harm to yourself.  Not to mention what having a loony-bird parent does to a kid, i would call that harming the child also.

While I agree she needs help, I don't know that the courts will. And her family will fight any attempt she makes to get help. They are more concerned about their image than her well being. Guess they'll have one hell of an image problem if she completely loses it.

Yes, I think she needs help but I don't know that a court will force it. I agree there is harm being done but since it is not physical who knows what will happen?

[hoops902]

::The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harm anyone, there is a problem. ::

There's a big difference between "hasn't harmed anyone" and "hasn't physically harmed anyone" though.

[thyme4change]

I suspect their kid has been harmed by her instability.  And without help, the kid will be harmed over and over.

[thyme4change]

I suspect their kid has been harmed by her instability.  And without help, the kid will be harmed over and over.

[justme]

Mar 25, 2013 12:22:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 25, 2013 12:20:09 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harm anyone, there is a problem.

If that is situation, the reason for the breakdown must be addressed.

Except you can't MAKE anyone address it.

[Deleted]

Is there a link for more info?

[wvugurl26]

Mar 25, 2013 12:22:07 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Mar 25, 2013 12:20:09 GMT -5 wvugurl26 said:

The person in question had a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized. While they haven't physically harm anyone, there is a problem.

If that is situation, the reason for the breakdown must be addressed.

It should be but her family attaches a huge stigma to mental illness. They have chosen to sweep it under the rug and pretend like everything is just fine. They removed her from the hospital when she needed more time to recover.