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Post by usaone on Dec 30, 2012 21:50:44 GMT -5
Why is it that every time one of our political hot-air bags wins an election, we say that he or she 'has a mandate'? I don't recall voting for Fearless Leader in November based upon Issue A or B that I wanted to see pushed-through according to Obümble's perspective... I DO recall voting for him because he was ever-so-slightly less objectionable than Mittens... And I don't recall any of the other several dozen folks whom I know - whom also voted Dem this time - ceding a particular approach or 'mandate' to the guy... More like 'stop kowtowing to foreign princes - stop apologizing for us abroad - and do what you can to stop the economic hemorrhaging before the end of your shift'... But nothing as dramatic as a 'mandate', insofar as I can discern... It seems that he does have a mandate. Many Republicans are resigned to the fact that they will have to cave on raising some taxes. Obama has a 55% approval rating and climbing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 30, 2012 21:56:13 GMT -5
i think that Senate Democrats should go for the "chained CPI" proposal. it is really stupid to hold this whole thing up for something as wonky as that.
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Post by Opti on Dec 30, 2012 22:00:39 GMT -5
Correct. Presidents approval number continue to climb and Republicans continue to fall. there is something i find really irritating about this whole thing. people are constantly asking the president to lead. but when he DOES, and NOBODY FOLLOWS, he gets blamed for THAT TOO. make up your minds, America. you either have a president who leads or follows. This President mostly follows which is why I find the rhetoric on the extreme right remarkablly funny and totally offbase. In truth, you can only lead where people want to go. Leaders can only harness the collective will. They can not create it to their specs. I just want the politicians to do the best they can with what they have on behalf of the majority of the American people.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 30, 2012 22:01:54 GMT -5
there is something i find really irritating about this whole thing. people are constantly asking the president to lead. but when he DOES, and NOBODY FOLLOWS, he gets blamed for THAT TOO. make up your minds, America. you either have a president who leads or follows. This President mostly follows which is why I find the rhetoric on the extreme right remarkablly funny and totally offbase. In truth, you can only lead where people want to go. Leaders can only harness the collective will. They can not create it to their specs. I just want the politicians to do the best they can with what they have on behalf of the majority of the American people. pragmatists are unwelcome in this debate. we need more yelling.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 31, 2012 11:43:19 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 31, 2012 11:55:57 GMT -5
I just put on CNN and it seems that now it's the Dems who are having a bit of problem with Biden being in the lead here..from what i can understand..just came on to the program so bear with me..correct me if I have it wrong..they are not happy about putting off decisions for three months..afraid they will be right back to where we are now...or some thing like that..
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 31, 2012 12:06:47 GMT -5
I'd like for the fiscal cliff to happen, then the doomsayers will realize that the sky will not fall after all.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 31, 2012 12:07:23 GMT -5
The last eighteen months should have been a clue that elected officials both dem and pub cannot do the job.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 31, 2012 12:55:43 GMT -5
I'd like for the fiscal cliff to happen, then the doomsayers will realize that the sky will not fall after all. i felt the same way about the election.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 31, 2012 13:42:41 GMT -5
Two minutes until the President speaks.
Deal, or no Deal? Who caved or didn't?
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Post by Sum Dum Gai on Dec 31, 2012 14:10:21 GMT -5
Damnit! No deal! Not yet anyway. I'm out of the market while my 401k rolls over. Once I get back in they can announce a deal and the market can shoot up 500 points in a day.
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Post by deziloooooo on Dec 31, 2012 14:11:56 GMT -5
He spoke, still no definite deal...seems they are close...compromises by both parties..seems no there is time for sniping..latest on CNN a PUB bitching about Obama..ok with me because next up will probably be a Dem doing the same against a Pub...{sigh }
If Senate comes up with a deal then Pub leader in House will allow to come to the House for a up and down vote..hopefully Dems will stand firm and few break away..the ultra liberals who want it all or nothing and enough Pubs break away from never allowing any tax's on anyone and between them agree to the deal passed in the Senate..if the Senate does do a deal...{whew..sigh, sigh...what a way to run a country...}
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Post by vandalshandle on Dec 31, 2012 14:18:06 GMT -5
I did not hear the speech, but my fortune telling 8 ball tells me that the deal will be finalized before January 4. I'm not pulling out of the market. In fact, I think this is a buying opportunity.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 31, 2012 15:42:51 GMT -5
Well, the President wasted everone's time except for his live audience who applauded loudly when he said the rich will pay the piper. Still playing the rich card today.........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 15:52:55 GMT -5
The rules state that when you've got a Trump card, you're obligated to play it.
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Post by vandalshandle on Dec 31, 2012 17:00:33 GMT -5
....well, we could take up a collection in order to help the rich pay their taxes....
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Post by dumdeedoe on Dec 31, 2012 23:35:15 GMT -5
Already there,, pimco bond and money market until I get a feel for this mess.
Naaa they will just write it off...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 7:56:05 GMT -5
Best to all of you, year 2013. Here is just extra information or opinion for this thread. www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2013/01/fiscal-cliff-dealAMERICA, it appears, will go over the fiscal cliff after all, if only for a few days. But if all goes as planned, the worst of the cliff, a withering combination of tax increases and spending cuts, will be avoided. A deal nearing completion in the Senate would make permanent the tax cuts first enacted by George Bush in 2001 and 2003 and due to expire on December 31st, except for the wealthy. The marginal rate for individuals earning more than $400,000 and couples earning more than $450,000 would rise from 35% to its pre-2001 rate of 39.6%, while deductions would be curbed for some people earning as little as $250,000. Estate taxes would go up, but not to pre-2001 levels, while rates on capital gains and dividends, now 15%, would go up to 20%, still less than their pre-2001 levels. Tax credits for families, workers and college students first introduced in Mr Obama’s stimulus plan will be extended for five more years. Although passage in the Senate seemed certain, the bill's fate in the House is more of a wild card. Partisans on both sides hate the deal: liberal Democrats because it does not raise rates on everyone earning more than $250,000, as Mr Obama had long demanded; Republicans, because they are being asked to approve the first increase in tax rates in two decades while getting no spending cuts in return.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 1, 2013 9:31:39 GMT -5
Who really cares at this point...the media likes great dramatic analogies...it is a slope. The funny thing here is when we were all paying taxes in the Clinton years, the country was stellar...Bush comes alone and gives you a little bit more pocket change and, we are struggling? Clinton was lucky when it came to economic booms during his term, also lucky in that he didn't really have to deal with all the bubbles bursting (which happened under Bush). I always thought it was kind of funny when Clinton talked about how bad the economy was when Obama came into office...as if some of the issues under Bush didn't stem from the 90's.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 1, 2013 9:35:01 GMT -5
He spoke, still no definite deal...seems they are close...compromises by both parties..seems no there is time for sniping..latest on CNN a PUB bitching about Obama..ok with me because next up will probably be a Dem doing the same against a Pub...{sigh } If Senate comes up with a deal then Pub leader in House will allow to come to the House for a up and down vote..hopefully Dems will stand firm and few break away..the ultra liberals who want it all or nothing and enough Pubs break away from never allowing any tax's on anyone and between them agree to the deal passed in the Senate..if the Senate does do a deal...{whew..sigh, sigh...what a way to run a country...} The only deal I've seen just puts it off for a few months and doesn't deal with spending issues....with all the issues we seem to have with spending cut compromises, does anybody believe if taxes are raised now, there will actually be a deal on spending cuts later?
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 1, 2013 17:42:12 GMT -5
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on Jan 1, 2013 17:52:26 GMT -5
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 1, 2013 17:57:23 GMT -5
Why bother? Pretty soon, the Republican party will no longer be a viable political force. The dems will be able to do whatever they want, good or bad. They are destroying their own constituency. Incredible!
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Post by dumdeedoe on Jan 1, 2013 19:05:54 GMT -5
LOL,,, If the nation slips back into recession and unemployment goes to 10-12%... you will see how the American people vote come mid election... the buck always stops with the party at the top. The second time around you cant blame the Bush admin.
Its all about the economy not social issues... The reason Obama won? the economy has shown signs of improving. If he lets that slip away there will be a huge turn over... Bet on it.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 19:08:19 GMT -5
And yet obamas poll numbers keep rising?
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Post by vandalshandle on Jan 1, 2013 21:13:05 GMT -5
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 1, 2013 22:22:25 GMT -5
this is hilarious. no spending deal. ONLY revenues. hahahaha. the tea party is going to blow a gasket.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2013 22:24:14 GMT -5
2 month delay on automatic spending cuts...same time frame as the debt ceiling... So ...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 1, 2013 22:26:55 GMT -5
2 month delay on automatic spending cuts...same time frame as the debt ceiling... So ... yep. Obama has handed over all his trump to Boehner for the next round.
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