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Post by Phoenix84 on Nov 12, 2012 12:38:24 GMT -5
Even though a lot of strides have been made, i think there's still a lot of denial about things like autism and ADHD and asperger's. Case in point, my dad has it but doesn't think he does. I imagine a lot of people with autistic children have themselves, their spouses or relatives that are high functioning autistic and just don't know it or are in denial about it.
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Post by Tiny on Nov 12, 2012 12:44:22 GMT -5
Wait, hasn't the incidence of influenza dropped in the last 30 years? Shouldn't the autism rates have dropped?
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Post by Tiny on Nov 12, 2012 12:46:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification on the flu shot - I never get them as I never get the flu so I wasn't up on my science. ;D I don't honestly know what causes autism. I do believe the rates are increasing (vs just more dx) but I'm sure there is some fudging of the actual numbers. For example, in OR to get services through the schools you need a dx of autism, but the SCHOOL gives you the dx. A doctor's dx is meaningless. I can imagine some well-intentioned school officials give out the dx to help a parent get services (even if the child isn't solidly on the spectrum). But OTOH there are A LOT of kids with obvious issues and no, it was not that way when I was a kid. I don't know if the cause is pollution, our diet, vaxes, older parents, a combination off all of the above, etc. but there is SOMETHING going on. In a depressing kinda way - what if the 'something' going on is simply that we've gotten better at keeping children alive - even before they are born?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2012 12:50:27 GMT -5
That is true.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2012 12:52:15 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 12:53:52 GMT -5
I think every woman in their 20's should take prenatal vitamins. Your hair looks awesome and grows so fast when you are taking them. If only I had known! I still take prenatal vitamins. I haven't been pregnant in over 12 years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 13:12:47 GMT -5
i think there's still a lot of denial about things like autism and ADHD and asperger's. Case in point, my dad has it but doesn't think he does. I imagine a lot of people with autistic children have themselves, their spouses or relatives that are high functioning autistic and just don't know it or are in denial about it. That would be DH's family. They are definitely high functioning but have trouble understanding emotions and social cues. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a link between fever and autism, although I think this study doesn't prove anything. I had severe dehydration during my pregnancy and I wonder if that affected DS' central nervous system development. Or if he'll be at greater risk of certain diseases later.
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Post by Formerly SK on Nov 12, 2012 13:13:10 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I don't know of any increased incidence of gestational complications and autism. You hear of heart/lung issues, or premies being saved but have hearing/sight/neurological issues, but plain ol' autism isn't that way. At least, not with any of the kids I know. Typically, people don't have any idea their kids have issues until the toddler years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 13:14:44 GMT -5
Typically, people don't have any idea their kids have issues until the toddler years. [image] Or they are in total denial, or it's their first kid and they don't know any different, which describes a friend of mine who's son was recently diagnosed with autism. Everyone told her from the time he was a year old that he needed help. He's just now getting it, two and a half years later.
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Post by Formerly SK on Nov 12, 2012 13:26:06 GMT -5
Typically, people don't have any idea their kids have issues until the toddler years. [image] Or they are in total denial, or it's their first kid and they don't know any different, which describes a friend of mine who's son was recently diagnosed with autism. Everyone told her from the time he was a year old that he needed help. He's just now getting it, two and a half years later. Yeah, but did she deliver early? Were her ultrasounds normal? The detection devices we have for pregnant women don't catch autism, and I haven't heard of premies having an increased risk for autism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 13:30:04 GMT -5
There was a study that found abnormalities in the placentas of children who were diagnosed with autism. Unfortunately autopsying every placenta would be impossible. As the central organ regulating maternal-fetal interactions and embryonic development, the placenta is perfectly positioned to mediate environmental and genetic risk factors during prenatal development1, 2. It may also relay risk factors for autism to the fetus.
There is increasing evidence implicating the placenta in autism risk. For example, abnormal inclusions of trophoblasts, the cells that comprise the placenta, are found more frequently in placentas from mothers of children who develop autism than in controls3. Also, placental inflammation is associated with impairments in communication and social interaction in the child, as measured by low ratings on the Modified Checklist for Autism in Toddlers4. sfari.org/news-and-opinion/viewpoint/2012/placenta-plays-potent-role-in-autism-riskFrom everything she said her pregnancy was normal, textbook.
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Post by telephus44 on Nov 12, 2012 13:31:00 GMT -5
There is a lot of denial. I get it from both sides - family that doesn't want my son to labeled autistic because he's just quirky, just a boy, he'll grow out of it etc. He's high functioning so there are some people that think I just "got him diagnosed" so I could get free preschool and extra services for him.
For me, I think it's a strong genetic components, but also environmental factors. I believe epigenetics is the correct terms - basically what you're exposed to in the environment affects what genes are expressed.
I also do think autism incidence is increasing, but that most (not all) can be attributed to better diagnosing and a wider spectrum definition of autism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 13:32:17 GMT -5
My sister has 3 kids. Her oldest son is the one that has been diagnosed with Asperger's and Auditory Processing Disorder. Her 2nd son has ADD but he can manage it without drugs these days and her 3rd is a girl who was born at 28 weeks because sis developed eclampsia. My niece is considered "normal" other than she is small for her age (but her parents aren't tall people so maybe she's just short ).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 13:40:33 GMT -5
My theory is that it is linked to mercury. Mercury from the mother's dental work, fish eaten, etc...
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Post by zibazinski on Nov 12, 2012 13:49:05 GMT -5
Well, the both of mine would have it and neither do. Plus, they got those horrible vaccines. Plus, I wasn't immune to measles! I hate stuff like this. I have a GF who is sure the fact that she took cold medicine before she even knew she was pregnant caused her sons autism. She lives with that guilt and her husband and his family love to feed her more of it. She had 5 more kids trying for that normal boy and of course, they are all girls! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 14:04:13 GMT -5
My theory is that it is linked to mercury. Mercury from the mother's dental work, fish eaten, etc... And your degree is in what, exactly? The mercury link has been debunked seven ways from Sunday.
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Post by formerroomate99 on Nov 12, 2012 14:11:30 GMT -5
My theory is that it is linked to mercury. Mercury from the mother's dental work, fish eaten, etc... And your degree is in what, exactly? The mercury link has been debunked seven ways from Sunday. There's also the fact that they've been using mercury in dental work and vaccines a heck of a lot longer than the increase in autism rates. I wonder if anybody has done any studies on the increased number of ultrasounds, medication given during labor, etc as being a factor?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2012 14:12:44 GMT -5
My theory is increased time in a car during pregnancy. I mean, 50 years ago women didn't even drive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 14:13:47 GMT -5
Well, my nephew experienced neonatal seizures shortly after birth and was on phenobarbatol for the first year of his life.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 12, 2012 14:17:19 GMT -5
My theory is that it is linked to mercury. Mercury from the mother's dental work, fish eaten, etc... And your degree is in what, exactly? The mercury link has been debunked seven ways from Sunday. Yep, I thought that EVERYONE got the message by now, but apparently there are still too many people out there who believe crap like this. Once upon a time, mercury was a MAJOR part of living. Hell, I remember playing with broken thermometers as a child! If mercury was involved, there would have been a lot more diagnosed cases waaay back when mercury was used far more frequently. Hell, even now I have a hard time getting hold of normal thermometers for the lab. Those piece of shit mercury replacement thermometers are NOT accurate - for those who use them in their work. I've found as much as a 5 degree temp differential, which can be critical for our cell culture.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Nov 12, 2012 14:20:13 GMT -5
Those piece of shit mercury replacement thermometers are NOT accurate - for those who use them in their work. I've found as much as a 5 degree temp differential, which can be critical for our cell culture. Amen! I've also found they can be a real bitch to read.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 14:21:05 GMT -5
Actually, attachment parenting causes autism. It is perhaps the ultimate irony that advocates of attachment parenting who reject vaccination because of fear of autism have ignored the possibility that it is attachment parenting itself that causes autism.
Consider the ever growing body of evidence:
1. Both autism and attachment parenting have increased dramatically in the past two decades. The origin of the attachment parenting is credited to Dr. William Sears, who first mentioned it in his book in 1988. Studies show that in the VERY SAME YEAR, the incidence of autism began to rise dramatically. (Environ. Sci. Technol., 2010, 44 (6), pp 2112–2118).
2. Regardless of who practices attachment parenting or how they define it, no one can deny that the practice of attachment parenting ALWAYS precedes the diagnosis. There are no known cases in which attachment parenting practices began after autism was diagnosed.
3. The purported mechanism is thought to be the sensory deprivation caused by baby wearing and extended breastfeeding. During the critical early months and years, when babies should be learning about the world and making millions of neuronal connections, babies exposed to AP are deprived of contact with the outside world (many are constantly carried in a position where they can see nothing but the surface of the mother’s clothing) and their exposure to other individuals such as fathers, grandparents and childcare workers is severely limited.
4. No one has EVER shown that attachment parenting does not cause autism. The rest of this incisive study can be found here: www.skepticalob.com/2010/11/attachment-parenting-causes-autism.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 14:21:58 GMT -5
We've hung on to the mercury thermometer DH had as a kid. We use an easy ear one for minor stuff but if it seems like DS' temperature is getting a little high we like to use the mercury.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 12, 2012 14:23:52 GMT -5
I wonder if anybody has done any studies on the increased number of ultrasounds, medication given during labor, etc as being a factor?
If I had to hazard a guess, I would think yes.
When they do a retrospective study, like the one in the OP, they go through OB records and look at EVERYTHING. Retrospective studies are not known for being horribly reliable, unfortunately. Not everything makes it into medical records (like mild fevers and flu like symptoms).
Right now, it's so easy to data mine for things like this, that if either ultrasounds or drugs had thrown up flags, those would have been the logical choices.
No data suggests that these variables were not significant, therefore not worth reporting. Only positive data is normally reported in reports like this.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2012 14:24:21 GMT -5
Actually, attachment parenting causes autism. It is perhaps the ultimate irony that advocates of attachment parenting who reject vaccination because of fear of autism have ignored the possibility that it is attachment parenting itself that causes autism.
Consider the ever growing body of evidence:
1. Both autism and attachment parenting have increased dramatically in the past two decades. The origin of the attachment parenting is credited to Dr. William Sears, who first mentioned it in his book in 1988. Studies show that in the VERY SAME YEAR, the incidence of autism began to rise dramatically. (Environ. Sci. Technol., 2010, 44 (6), pp 2112–2118).
2. Regardless of who practices attachment parenting or how they define it, no one can deny that the practice of attachment parenting ALWAYS precedes the diagnosis. There are no known cases in which attachment parenting practices began after autism was diagnosed.
3. The purported mechanism is thought to be the sensory deprivation caused by baby wearing and extended breastfeeding. During the critical early months and years, when babies should be learning about the world and making millions of neuronal connections, babies exposed to AP are deprived of contact with the outside world (many are constantly carried in a position where they can see nothing but the surface of the mother’s clothing) and their exposure to other individuals such as fathers, grandparents and childcare workers is severely limited. The rest of this incisive study can be found here: www.skepticalob.com/2010/11/attachment-parenting-causes-autism.htmlfrom the article: Those who have read this far have probably figured out that this is a satire. I’m satirizing the “thinking” of vaccine rejectionists on the purported relationship between vaccines and autism. The purpose of the satire is to demonstrate that what seems to vaccine rejectionists to be compelling “reasoning” is nothing more than nonsense, and logical fallacies........... The key point is that what passes for “reasoning” among vaccine rejectionists is not reasoning at all. It is nothing more than wild accusations, logical fallacies and conspiracy theories. There is no more reason to take seriously the idea that vaccines cause autism than there is to take seriously the idea that attachment parenting causes autism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 14:25:41 GMT -5
It's scary to think some people wouldn't figure out it's satire.
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Post by swamp on Nov 12, 2012 14:26:36 GMT -5
It's scary to think some people wouldn't figure out it's satire. but there are also people who post articles from the Onion and think it's true............
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 12, 2012 14:27:22 GMT -5
Actually, attachment parenting causes autism. It is perhaps the ultimate irony that advocates of attachment parenting who reject vaccination because of fear of autism have ignored the possibility that it is attachment parenting itself that causes autism.
Consider the ever growing body of evidence:
1. Both autism and attachment parenting have increased dramatically in the past two decades. The origin of the attachment parenting is credited to Dr. William Sears, who first mentioned it in his book in 1988. Studies show that in the VERY SAME YEAR, the incidence of autism began to rise dramatically. (Environ. Sci. Technol., 2010, 44 (6), pp 2112–2118).
2. Regardless of who practices attachment parenting or how they define it, no one can deny that the practice of attachment parenting ALWAYS precedes the diagnosis. There are no known cases in which attachment parenting practices began after autism was diagnosed.
3. The purported mechanism is thought to be the sensory deprivation caused by baby wearing and extended breastfeeding. During the critical early months and years, when babies should be learning about the world and making millions of neuronal connections, babies exposed to AP are deprived of contact with the outside world (many are constantly carried in a position where they can see nothing but the surface of the mother’s clothing) and their exposure to other individuals such as fathers, grandparents and childcare workers is severely limited.
4. No one has EVER shown that attachment parenting does not cause autism. The rest of this incisive study can be found here: www.skepticalob.com/2010/11/attachment-parenting-causes-autism.htmlLOL......
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Nov 12, 2012 14:30:52 GMT -5
And your degree is in what, exactly? The mercury link has been debunked seven ways from Sunday. Shasta!!!! How dare you have a theory and bring it here. For shame! Maybe because as a scientist, I hate the idea of perpetuating a theory that has been so thoroughly disproved over the last decade? I can't EVER remember a question so thoroughly debunked in my tenure in research. How much more research $$ (which are already in short supply) needs to be thrown at this and how many more people are going to believe crap like this?
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 12, 2012 14:33:29 GMT -5
Maybe we should use leeches to suck the autism out of them.
In the early 1900's, it was believed that electroshock therapy would cure autistic children.
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