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Post by jarhead1976 on Feb 1, 2011 15:38:23 GMT -5
Before passing judgment wait and see if her husband comes into play? Look carefully at his background! R.I.P.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2011 15:40:37 GMT -5
Before passing judgment wait and see if her husband comes into play? Look carefully at his background! R.I.P. Really?? I don't care if my husband was the biggest prick walking the earth...there is NOTHING that would cause me to kill my children. I believce in a eye for an eye, so her husband should get to shoot her in the face so the last thing she thinks before she dies is "someone that is supposed to love and cherish me is about to kill me".
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Post by swamp on Feb 1, 2011 15:43:55 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, she is completely responsible for what she did and should be held accountable. However, I have to wonder about her husband. Obviously this woman had to have been unhinged for a while. How do you live with someone and not realize how bad she is?!
I said the same thing about Andrea Yates. She's got severe Postpartum, the house is a pigsty, and you leave her alone to homeschool 5 kids when she can't even take care of herself?!
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Post by jarhead1976 on Feb 1, 2011 15:46:41 GMT -5
MS.T , I agree IT is a horrible crime. I have a 18 year old daughter I cherish and love more than life itself. Your missing my point. There are drugs capable of mind altering effects. Some never known outside certain circles.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2011 15:48:43 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, she is completely responsible for what she did and should be held accountable. However, I have to wonder about her husband. Obviously this woman had to have been unhinged for a while. How do you live with someone and not realize how bad she is?! I said the same thing about Andrea Yates. She's got severe Postpartum, the house is a pigsty, and you leave her alone to homeschool 5 kids when she can't even take care of herself?! In Andrea Yates' case, I think the husband was definitely to blame. In this case, I don't know because I don't know how long the husband was overseas. Should he have known? I just don't know...it's just beyond comprehension. I do remember talking to a more forgiving friend back when Andrea Yates killed her children. I thought the husband and Andrea should have been drowned in a bathtub to suffer the same fate as the children. I was asked if I would ever think my husband capable of harming our children and I honestly don't think I ever would. She said perhaps it was so beyond comprehension that the husband just couldn't even imagine it.
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Post by coconut on Feb 1, 2011 15:58:48 GMT -5
Before passing judgment wait and see if her husband comes into play? Look carefully at his background! R.I.P. Really?? I don't care if my husband was the biggest prick walking the earth...there is NOTHING that would cause me to kill my children. I believce in a eye for an eye, so her husband should get to shoot her in the face so the last thing she thinks before she dies is "someone that is supposed to love and cherish me is about to kill me". I agree MsT....an eye for an eye...tooth for a tooth....I am for the dealth penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 1, 2011 15:59:50 GMT -5
Breaking local news: They just found the body of the kidnapped four year old boy I mentioned earlier in a canal. Still looking for the kidnapper.
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Post by coconut on Feb 1, 2011 16:05:53 GMT -5
Breaking local news: They just found the body of the kidnapped four year old boy I mentioned earlier in a canal. Still looking for the kidnapper. How very sad....I hope they find him and drop him in the canal!!
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Post by Opti on Feb 1, 2011 17:10:26 GMT -5
Breaking local news: They just found the body of the kidnapped four year old boy I mentioned earlier in a canal. Still looking for the kidnapper. Is this the little boy that was taken from the grandmother by an ex-boyfriend?
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Post by TD2K on Feb 1, 2011 17:13:40 GMT -5
I said the same thing about Andrea Yates. She's got severe Postpartum, the house is a pigsty, and you leave her alone to homeschool 5 kids when she can't even take care of herself?!
Yup, good old Rusty, no doubt pushing her for a 6th kid.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 1, 2011 17:30:34 GMT -5
Well - to be fair, God was guiding them to live that lifestyle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 17:53:05 GMT -5
All of this just makes me want to hug my kids close to me....even my mouthy 14 year old. My heart just breaks for those kids and their father. I can't imagine the fear that they must have went through.
There is a special place in hell for people who kill children.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 1, 2011 17:58:41 GMT -5
<<How very sad....I hope they find him and drop him in the canal!!>>
The guy was seen driving into the canal with the boy, and is presumed dead.
<< Is this the little boy that was taken from the grandmother by an ex-boyfriend?>>
Yep.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Feb 2, 2011 12:16:44 GMT -5
<<I do wonder why someone would see a car driving into a canal and not immediately call 911.>>
They did, there was a state-wide Amber Alert for the car and child. This canal is huge, it's part of the California Aqueduct system. They had to use sonar to find the car, and found 11 others in the process.
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 12:36:32 GMT -5
You can't expect to those suffering from mental illness to have the same benchmarks, comprehension, or sense of right and wrong as those who aren't victims. If so, they wouldn't be victims of mental illness.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 2, 2011 12:51:27 GMT -5
You can do rational sounding things even if you are mentally ill. Those things make you seem rational and not crazy. Kids, especially teenagers are hard to deal with sometimes so there's a part that understands how furious/disgusted she could have gotten. I can't begin to tell you how many times I just wanted to either run away or put them in boarding school but to actually do it, never. I love those rugrats even if sometimes I don't like them very much. I figure half their annoying behaviors are my fault. The other half is normal teenager crap.
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Post by Opti on Feb 2, 2011 13:04:43 GMT -5
Yup, good old Rusty, no doubt pushing her for a 6th kid Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=fun&thread=2677&page=2#ixzz1Cng90EVa Unfair in my opinion. He might be a jerk or not. But, that doesn't excuse or justify her. She could have walked away, called the authorities, gone to a shelter and on and on. And, she was a nurse, it wasn't like she was without skills to support herself. There is no indication he did anything wrong and to blame him as if he didn't love his children or want this to happen is ridiculous. And, many times people dealing with mental illness simply don't know what to do. Also, she WAS being treated and it had been addressed by professionals as well who couldn't even help her. Snerd, it sounds like you have no experience with severe postpartum depression or clinical depression. Once depression gets that bad, people do not think clearly and often suicide looks like the solution. I think the healthy people have more a responsibility to act on the behalf of others than the impaired person to be superhuman.
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Post by thyme4change on Feb 2, 2011 13:45:04 GMT -5
If she was being treated by professionals - why was her husband so clueless? They knew she was having enough troubles keeping on the north side of sanity, and they sent her to a professional, and then left her alone with 5 kids 20 hours a day. Gee...how could have her husband possibly thought something bad would happen?
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 14:49:09 GMT -5
Food for thought- in the Andrea Yates case-is it possible Rusty thought "something" might happen, if more intervention did not happen, and a was hoping for that something. He may not have envisioned her killing the kids, but is it possible he thought she would kill herself and wanted that to happen?
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 14:50:42 GMT -5
You can do rational sounding things even if you are mentally ill. Those things make you seem rational and not crazy. Kids, especially teenagers are hard to deal with sometimes so there's a part that understands how furious/disgusted she could have gotten. I can't begin to tell you how many times I just wanted to either run away or put them in boarding school but to actually do it, never. I love those rugrats even if sometimes I don't like them very much. I figure half their annoying behaviors are my fault. The other half is normal teenager crap. Yes, but that is the difference between being mentally ill and mentally healthy, but stressed. I think it is perfectly normal to not always like your kids, but still love them.
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 14:51:04 GMT -5
Mental illness can be insidious in those who are ill don't realize it.
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 14:52:49 GMT -5
I think that is a pretty terrible thought to assume about another human being. He lost his 5 children and he lost his wife. Maybe he isn't your cup of tea or really anyone else's but to make those kinds of assumptions based on noting seems really terrible. I did not make an assumption that he did it, but I have wondered how he could allow her mental state to continue without taking action.
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 14:53:38 GMT -5
Given her history of mental illness - post partum depression - yet he wanted another child?
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 2, 2011 14:56:13 GMT -5
I think that is a pretty terrible thought to assume about another human being. He lost his 5 children and he lost his wife. Maybe he isn't your cup of tea or really anyone else's but to make those kinds of assumptions based on noting seems really terrible. I did not make an assumption that he did it, but I have wondered how he could allow her mental state to continue without taking action. In my wildest dreams, I would never imagine that my husband would be capable of killing our children. I don't think it is a common thought "gee, I better not leave my wife with the children for she might kill them". Since she was under psychiatric care, did any of the doctors tell the husband she was a danger to the children? I don't recall reading anything like that so I am assuming the answer is no (which I could be wrong). If that's the case, trained professionals didn't recognize that she was a danger to the children so how could the husband?
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Post by swamp on Feb 2, 2011 14:57:46 GMT -5
Was she actually under psychiatric care? I thought she wasn't, he just had some relatives checking on her a few times a day.
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Post by swamp on Feb 2, 2011 14:58:47 GMT -5
Given her history of mental illness - post partum depression - yet he wanted another child? And supposedly post partum gets worse for each child. I had some baby blues after DS, then after DD I had full blown post partum. It was ugly, and I couldn't imagine trying to even function if the post partum got worse.
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 14:58:54 GMT -5
I did not make an assumption that he did it, but I have wondered how he could allow her mental state to continue without taking action. In my wildest dreams, I would never imagine that my husband would be capable of killing our children. I don't think it is a common thought "gee, I better not leave my wife with the children for she might kill them". Since she was under psychiatric care, did any of the doctors tell the husband she was a danger to the children? I don't recall reading anything like that so I am assuming the answer is no (which I could be wrong). If that's the case, trained professionals didn't recognize that she was a danger to the children so how could the husband? Yates continued under Dr. Saeed's care until June 20, 2001, when her husband left for work, leaving Andrea alone to watch their five children against Dr. Saeed's instructions to supervise her around the clock.[10] Mr. Yates's mother, Dora Yates, had been scheduled by Russell to arrive an hour later to take over for Andrea. In the space of that hour, Andrea Yates drowned all five of her children.[11] She started with the youngest boys, and after drowning them in her bathtub, laid them in her bed. She then drowned Mary, who she left floating in the tub. Her oldest son, Noah, came in and asked what was wrong with Mary. Noah then ran, but Andrea soon caught up with him and drowned him. She then left him floating in the tub and laid Mary in the arms of her brothers. Afterwards, she called the police. Then she called her husband, saying and repeating only two words: “It’s tim
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 15:02:17 GMT -5
Given her history of mental illness - post partum depression - yet he wanted another child? And supposedly post partum gets worse for each child. I had some baby blues after DS, then after DD I had full blown post partum. It was ugly, and I couldn't imagine trying to even function if the post partum got worse. For people who haven't experienced depression, or dealt with someone who is depressed, they may have no idea how horrific it can be.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 2, 2011 15:02:35 GMT -5
Was she actually under psychiatric care? I thought she wasn't, he just had some relatives checking on her a few times a day. A quick google search came up with Dr. Saaed treating her until the day she killed the children. And I take it back, the Dr. did tell the husband to supervise her around the clock (at least according to the article I just read).
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Post by marjar on Feb 2, 2011 15:06:42 GMT -5
She should not have been left alone with the children, even for an hour.
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