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Post by naggie1972 on Feb 8, 2012 18:11:04 GMT -5
They also consumed copious amounts of valium
Err that would indicate a possible drug problem to deal with the little ones.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 8, 2012 18:58:49 GMT -5
You'd have to be a huge asset to a business for them to accommodate this. I'd be afraid it'd backfire by getting women laid off or just not hired. If you want to play with the boys, act like one and stop whining for accommodations for every freakin' thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 12:35:20 GMT -5
My wife keeps hers unrefrigerated for up to 8 hours, if it is going to be used within that 8 hours. If she is saving it for later she puts it in the fridge or freezer. are you sure you have that correct, Arch? Milk is definitely not supposed to be out that long. breastmilk is not like cow's milk, and does not have to be refrigerated right away. Can't speak to the 8 hours thing, but it can definately sit out for a time.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 12:57:52 GMT -5
Well, DFs only female employee has her own bathroom and GOD help you, you nasty male employee, if you use it!!! ;D
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 13:42:13 GMT -5
Eeewww
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Post by formerroomate99 on Feb 9, 2012 13:52:50 GMT -5
You'd have to be a huge asset to a business for them to accommodate this. I'd be afraid it'd backfire by getting women laid off or just not hired. If you want to play with the boys, act like one and stop whining for accommodations for every freakin' thing. I really can't see this being a huge thing at most companies with 50+ employees. In most cases, there's already a conference room, janitor's closet, server room, spare office, or single stall bathroom in place, and all they'd have to do is put a lock on the door.
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Post by zibazinski on Feb 9, 2012 14:00:56 GMT -5
I guess it'd depend on the amount of office space whether it'd be an imposition or not. I fear this could backfire on some employees.
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2012 14:36:43 GMT -5
With my first kid I pumped in a printer/server room. That was uncomfortable because occassionally people would be trying to get the items they printed & would be waiting for me to come out. I think there was already some sort of law in place, maybe a state law, regarding providing such a room because this was in 2008 & our HR person told my boss that by law he had to provide me a room.
With my second kid we were in a different office building. I used the bathroom - BUT, the bathroom was a large 8'X8' room nice room with shelves & pictures, I added a chair, & I am the only female in the office - so it is solely my bathroom. Some might still find that gross, but it was bigger & nicer than my bathroom at home & since no one else uses it ever, I was comfortable in there.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 9, 2012 14:41:12 GMT -5
There is a nice bathroom in the hospital that if it had a lock I'd have no problems pumping in there. It's really nice and has a great roomy area that would fit a chair and a little stand to put a pump on.
The building I work in I don't think had a lot of women in it when it was built, all the ladies restrooms are shoe box size with one stall in them. Then the toilet has no back or lid so I'd be trying to either balance it on my knees or having to lean over so I could put it on the floor. There are no outlets in them either.
Do they even make pumps that you don't ahve to plug in? Just curious because I would have given my right arm for one that didn't require having to have an outlet to operate.
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Post by swamp on Feb 9, 2012 14:44:00 GMT -5
There is a nice bathroom in the hospital that if it had a lock I'd have no problems pumping in there. It's really nice and has a great roomy area that would fit a chair and a little stand to put a pump on. The building I work in I don't think had a lot of women in it when it was built, all the ladies restrooms are shoe box size with one stall in them. Then the toilet has no back or lid so I'd be trying to either balance it on my knees or having to lean over so I could put it on the floor. There are no outlets in them either. Do they even make pumps that you don't ahve to plug in? Just curious because I would have given my right arm for one that didn't require having to have an outlet to operate. I had one that was either electric or battery. They also have hand operated ones, but they don't work very well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 14:45:21 GMT -5
DQ - mine had a battery option. The sick room at work had outlets, but it was so much easier and quicker when I didn't have to plug it in.
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Post by rockon on Feb 9, 2012 14:46:11 GMT -5
Now the employer will have to keep a chart on everyone having unprotected sex so they can formulate an estimate of room and pumping stations that will be required. Large companies maybe able to provide automatic milkers with bulk tank storage and bottling facilities. How about we all agree to have the feds do their constitutional duties well first and then if we need more assistance from them and they have a surplus of funds and nothing else to do we will contact them for help!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 9, 2012 14:46:39 GMT -5
If the only option I had was a hand pump, hello formula!
I had the Medela pump in style which was electric. In general I liked it but it would have been nice to not have to worry about having a place to plug it in every time I needed to use it.
Large companies maybe able to provide automatic milkers with bulk tank storage and bottling facilities.
Mine alreayd does provide hospital grade pumps for employees to use free of charge (they are employer property though and bolted to the table they are on), you just need to bring your own parts and bottles.
Several large employers around here do and started doing it long before the government ordered them to do so.
They must feel that they are getting something back for providing these services otherwise why would they have done it of their own free will?
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Feb 9, 2012 14:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by muttleynfelix on Feb 9, 2012 14:50:15 GMT -5
I'm all for these chambers because I understand that breast fed babies are healthier babies; therefore cutting down on health care costs. I also see that it is way cheaper for parents than that formula stuff. I do have one question, though. Why is it that those mothers who have absolutely no problem whipping one out and breastfeeding in a public place (which I'm also not opposed to), all of a sudden need a special locked chamber to pump? This was probably answered, but I'll explain it anyway. WHen you breast feed a baby, the baby covers everything that you don't want to show. I could breastfeed DS and you not even know I am feeding him unless he unlatched. When you pump, there is nothing to cover your midsection, the pump cups are clear, you show a lot more breast. There is no way to descretely pump. At a conference once, I pumped in the sitting area of the bathroom and even with a nursing cover, it was very uncomfortable because one wrong move and the whole world sees everything. I work for an employer for whom this is not a requirement. We have an open office with no seperate offices except for my boss's and his has windows looking out on the hallway (so not private). I spent 6 months pumping in the restroom. I was comfortable enough with the level of cleanliness because we have a small office. The next 6 months, with the permission of my coworkers and my boss, we turned my desk towards the wall and I just pumped at my desk. There were some uncomfortable moments when I did that. Overall, I will do that again with another child, but I am comfortable with my coworkers and my body (as in if they caught a glimpse, it is not a big deal).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 14:51:07 GMT -5
Now the employer will have to keep a chart on everyone having unprotected sex so they can formulate an estimate of room and pumping stations that will be required. Large companies maybe able to provide automatic milkers with bulk tank storage and bottling facilities. How about we all agree to have the feds do their constitutional duties well first and then if we need more assistance from them and they have a surplus of funds and nothing else to do we will contact them for help! WHOOSH!
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2012 14:59:49 GMT -5
I used this some of the time. It was small & easily portable, which was a plus. I could also use it in my car if I was out of the office on a field visit or going to a meeting. It wasn't bad at all, not too hard & got a lot of milk.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 9, 2012 15:14:30 GMT -5
I'm all for companies putting in special areas to accommodate breastfeeding, however, I'm strongly against the federal government mandating such a thing.
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Post by moneymaven on Feb 9, 2012 15:53:55 GMT -5
Have to chime in on this. I work for a small employer of 10. When we had an employee in our office have a baby, she was granted access as needed to the President's office for pumping. She worked in a cubicle and although our office is mostly women, it was unreasonable to ask her to pump in the cube or the bathroom (we are not subject to the law due to employee count). We really had no problem with her using his office.
The law states that you're required to provide a comfortable and private space. It doesn't have to be a dedicated room, but access to a room. When I had DS last year, I was fortunate to be able to use my own office space with a locking door. Bought some drapes for $40 and we were set.
When an employer wants to keep good people and make reasonable accommodations, they will do it and it will not likely cause undue burden on them. That's why there are benefits like flexible scheduling, telecommuting, etc.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 9, 2012 16:06:00 GMT -5
I used this some of the time. It was small & easily portable, which was a plus. I could also use it in my car if I was out of the office on a field visit or going to a meeting. It wasn't bad at all, not too hard & got a lot of milk. Manual pumps are all my wife used. Never had a shortage of milk.
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Feb 9, 2012 16:32:05 GMT -5
Have to chime in on this. I work for a small employer of 10. When we had an employee in our office have a baby, she was granted access as needed to the President's office for pumping. She worked in a cubicle and although our office is mostly women, it was unreasonable to ask her to pump in the cube or the bathroom (we are not subject to the law due to employee count). We really had no problem with her using his office. The law states that you're required to provide a comfortable and private space. It doesn't have to be a dedicated room, but access to a room. When I had DS last year, I was fortunate to be able to use my own office space with a locking door. Bought some drapes for $40 and we were set. When an employer wants to keep good people and make reasonable accommodations, they will do it and it will not likely cause undue burden on them. That's why there are benefits like flexible scheduling, telecommuting, etc. So a company actually made the accommodation without being strong armed by the law; To hear liberals talk, companies never do anything like that and will always force employees to work for slave wages and in horrid conditions unless uncle sam makes them do otherwise
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Post by Angel! on Feb 9, 2012 17:31:00 GMT -5
Have to chime in on this. I work for a small employer of 10. When we had an employee in our office have a baby, she was granted access as needed to the President's office for pumping. She worked in a cubicle and although our office is mostly women, it was unreasonable to ask her to pump in the cube or the bathroom (we are not subject to the law due to employee count). We really had no problem with her using his office. The law states that you're required to provide a comfortable and private space. It doesn't have to be a dedicated room, but access to a room. When I had DS last year, I was fortunate to be able to use my own office space with a locking door. Bought some drapes for $40 and we were set. When an employer wants to keep good people and make reasonable accommodations, they will do it and it will not likely cause undue burden on them. That's why there are benefits like flexible scheduling, telecommuting, etc. So a company actually made the accommodation without being strong armed by the law; To hear liberals talk, companies never do anything like that and will always force employees to work for slave wages and in horrid conditions unless uncle sam makes them do otherwise Good companies with employees that are in demand will do this without regulations, those with employees that have essential skills & are highly trained. I doubt McDonalds would be interested in creating a lactation space for it's min. wage easily replaceable employees. Labor laws are generally there to benefit the low wage, low skill employees.
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Post by beenherebefore on Feb 9, 2012 20:51:24 GMT -5
I demand nose picking chambers.
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 8:45:03 GMT -5
Maybe companies can outsource this work to dairy farmers experienced in robotic milking stations. A few minor alterations and we should be good to go.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 10, 2012 9:07:10 GMT -5
Maybe companies can outsource this work to dairy farmers experienced in robotic milking stations. A few minor alterations and we should be good to go. I'm sure you are volunteering to oversee operations right?
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:32:23 GMT -5
I'm sure you are volunteering to oversee operations right? Well, I'm not much of a farm boy, but what the hell...I'm always willing to pitch in and learn something new.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 10, 2012 9:33:50 GMT -5
I'm sure you are volunteering to oversee operations right? Well, I'm not much of a farm boy, but what the hell...I'm always willing to pitch in and learn something new. I'm sure you know plenty about boobs
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Post by floridayankee on Feb 10, 2012 9:40:13 GMT -5
Well, I'm not much of a farm boy, but what the hell...I'm always willing to pitch in and learn something new. I'm sure you know plenty about boobs Mama always said...."Find something you're good at and stick with it." Who am I to disagree with such wisdom?
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