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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 17:07:25 GMT -5
Well, it looks like there is conflict within SGK regarding this. The Connecticut Afflilate for SGK has denouced the move and stated that they will continue to fund PP in their area.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 1, 2012 17:09:36 GMT -5
Off topic: welcome txsbbtc and anne81. You are both listed as new members, although anne81 looks kinda familiar.
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Post by Jaguar on Feb 1, 2012 17:14:03 GMT -5
Well, it looks like there is conflict within SGK regarding this. The Connecticut Afflilate for SGK has denouced the move and stated that they will continue to fund PP in their area.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 17:16:59 GMT -5
Actually, I think I graduated to Junior member. But thanks! I was on the old boards for a few years (since about 2006); but mostly lurked. Like I do here.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 1, 2012 18:06:27 GMT -5
I just did the local Race for the Cure last weekend, before this story broke. Had it been announced earlier, I would not have done the race. And I will not do it again. This kind of thing from an organization that has a literal army of lawyers whose only job it is to police the smallest (mis)use of any of their trademarked slogans ought to know better. When the business of your business is more important than the lives you are supposed to help protect, your business is too damned important. I participate in the Walk every year. I doubt I will stop participating but I will make my opinion strongly known during next year's walk. Nothing wrong in creating your own tee-shirt which states you support SGK and Planned Parenthood. A placard would do nicely too.
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Post by lilyofcourse on Feb 1, 2012 18:22:14 GMT -5
oh goodness. You'd think no one has ever heard of a health dept. or clinic.
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Post by swamp on Feb 1, 2012 18:28:11 GMT -5
oh goodness. You'd think no one has ever heard of a health dept. or clinic. You don't know any poor people, do you?
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Post by dancinmama on Feb 1, 2012 18:40:29 GMT -5
I saw this earlier today, and was not happy about it. But it's typical; all it takes is a howl from some group who doesn't get it, and the knee-jerk reactions begin. In the long run, I think Komen will be sorry for what they've done, if enough pressure comes from supporters to make it so. And Komen's reaction to it all was particularly two-faced. They said they wanted to maintain "a positive relationship" with Planned Parenthood. How nice of them. AFTER yanking all your financial support, you want to stay positive? Positive does not pay the bills, and does not save women's lives. I'm not taking a stance either pro- or anti-abortion here, just saying that the Komen group did themselves no favor by doing this. Unfortunately, they have the financial balls to not only get away with it, but survive whatever fallout occurs. There goes my support to Komen. Isn't that like cutting off your nose to spite your face? Just because they may no longer support Planned Parenthood does not mean that they are not a worthwhile organization. What if they had never associated themselves with Planned Parenthood in the first place? Would you feel the same way? Make sure you don't buy anything with a pink ribbon on it in the grocery store.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 1, 2012 18:43:51 GMT -5
oh goodness. You'd think no one has ever heard of a health dept. or clinic. You don't know any poor people, do you? No, she apparently doesn't. Karma for you, Swamp!
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2012 18:46:04 GMT -5
Since Komen is now more interested in big $$ donors & no longer wanting to help those actually in need, I cancelled our donation to them. Let them haul in the big bucks and fuck over the poor like all other big $$ corporations. I'll never support them again. I heard on CNN that they're inundated with angry callers, saying they will no longer donate a penny.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 19:14:02 GMT -5
regarding the 'abortions cause breast cancer' thing. It has been disproven by a whole slew of medical organizations (I don't have a list right now, but someone posted the entire thing on Facebook - organizations, research, findings, etc.) so I think that little myth needs to be dropped.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 1, 2012 20:58:12 GMT -5
No, it isn't. If they were never a supporter of PP, it would have never been an issue. They would have been separate entities, and the situation would have never come up.
It's not their sudden decision to pull support that is getting so much negative attention. It is their reason for doing it. They claim it's due to PP being investigated. SGK is under fire from their big-money conservative supporters to pull support. Congressional investigation, my ass. And it's the perception that tying the money (or untying it, in this case) to an organization with an abortion association punishes the most economically vulnuerable women, who often have nowhere else to go for medical care.
And as for women going to a county health clinic...most don't offer mammography services. And in many places, you have to qualify in order to be eligible for services. Planned Parenthood does not ask about how much money you have.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 21:14:32 GMT -5
No, it isn't. If they were never a supporter of PP, it would have never been an issue. They would have been separate entities, and the situation would have never come up. It's not their sudden decision to pull support that is getting so much negative attention. It is their reason for doing it. They claim it's due to PP being investigated. SGK is under fire from their big-money conservative supporters to pull support. Congressional investigation, my ass. And it's the perception that tying the money (or untying it, in this case) to an organization with an abortion association punishes the most economically vulnuerable women, who often have nowhere else to go for medical care. And as for women going to a county health clinic...most don't offer mammography services. And in many places, you have to qualify in order to be eligible for services. Planned Parenthood does not ask about how much money you have. I don't understand the uproar...you said it yourself...if they never funded PP this wouldn't be an issue....well for YEARS they did fund PP and lots of women benefited. They are a private organization whose donors have spoken and do not want their money allocated to an agency who is associated with abortions....they have the RIGHT to do that. Would all of you be up in arms if SGK decided to not fun an organization affiliated with a church that also benefit the poor???
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Post by gavinsnana on Feb 1, 2012 21:16:09 GMT -5
I read the full report, and according to The Komen Foundation, they cannot give donations to an organization that is under investigation. I don't see this as political as some are saying, but they have a policy and must abide by it.
However, I wish they could/would find a way around this. PPH needs these donations to continue to provide this service that is desperately needed by many many women.
I think this decision will only hurt the Komen foundations.. They need to rethink this and find a way.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 1, 2012 21:19:04 GMT -5
And WHY is PP "under investigation" Follow the money . . .
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Post by gavinsnana on Feb 1, 2012 21:24:35 GMT -5
I know why and understand why they are under investigation.
If the Komen foundation cannot fund PPH, then fund another private clinic, a place where these women can get the test they need .
I don't believe taxpayers should fund any of these programs, especially abortions.. and if they did anything illegal, it will come to light.
But, IMO.. they just cannot yank these funds and leave these women without help.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 21:32:34 GMT -5
Komen won't see another penny out of me so long as they have taken this position. Why they would want to stop funding mammography via a group that sees a huge number of low income women is beyond me.
Wrong penalty. We will not go to the walks any longer either.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 1, 2012 21:32:39 GMT -5
I know why and understand why they are under investigation. If the Komen foundation cannot fund PPH, then fund another private clinic, a place where these women can get the test they need . I don't believe taxpayers should fund any of these programs, especially abortions.. and if they did anything illegal, it will come to light. But, IMO.. they just cannot yank these funds and leave these women without help. Agreed! Frankly, the reason they (PP) are "under investigation" stinks of politics and pressure (thus my follow-the-money comment). But it should also be noted that they (Komen) have been withdrawing funds from community non-profits all over the country for the last three years. Folks here and those burning up other websites and chat room today over this issue need to realize that the abortion debate is all huff and smoke and grandstanding. The real reason is that Komen is radically changing direction and moving away from their original mission (grass-roots, community-based prevention and early detection). As I said earlier, pull their Annual Reports for the last few years and pay close attention to how funding has shifted from report to report. Very sad for the needy communities that the original founder wanted to help so other women wouldn't end up like her sister . . .
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2012 21:32:53 GMT -5
Make sure you don't buy anything with a pink ribbon on it in the grocery store. I don't, actually, if there is a choice.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 1, 2012 21:40:33 GMT -5
Chiver! See Post #99 :-)
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2012 21:41:46 GMT -5
ooh, thank you! I'll give that a shot this weekend.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 21:44:44 GMT -5
Make sure you don't buy anything with a pink ribbon on it in the grocery store. I don't, actually, if there is a choice. So if you don't contribute and you don't buy any of the products, why are you so pissed? The people that actually donate to SGK have spoken and they do not want their donations going to PP....shouldn't the people who are actually contributing have a say where their dollars go?
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Post by taz157 on Feb 1, 2012 21:45:48 GMT -5
I don't, actually, if there is a choice. So if you don't contribute and you don't buy any of the products, why are you so pissed? The people that actually donate to SGK have spoken and they do not want their donations going to PP.... shouldn't the people who are actually contributing have a say where their dollars go?Yes!
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 1, 2012 21:55:29 GMT -5
No, it isn't. If they were never a supporter of PP, it would have never been an issue. They would have been separate entities, and the situation would have never come up. It's not their sudden decision to pull support that is getting so much negative attention. It is their reason for doing it. They claim it's due to PP being investigated. SGK is under fire from their big-money conservative supporters to pull support. Congressional investigation, my ass. And it's the perception that tying the money (or untying it, in this case) to an organization with an abortion association punishes the most economically vulnuerable women, who often have nowhere else to go for medical care. And as for women going to a county health clinic...most don't offer mammography services. And in many places, you have to qualify in order to be eligible for services. Planned Parenthood does not ask about how much money you have. I don't understand the uproar...you said it yourself...if they never funded PP this wouldn't be an issue....well for YEARS they did fund PP and lots of women benefited. They are a private organization whose donors have spoken and do not want their money allocated to an agency who is associated with abortions....they have the RIGHT to do that. Would all of you be up in arms if SGK decided to not fun an organization affiliated with a church that also benefit the poor??? Actually, their donors are speaking pretty loudly right now and they are pissed. The head of the SGK Connecticut affiliate even said it is a very misguided policy and they will continue to fund PP of New England. Karen Handel (SGK's new head of public policy) is an extremely anti-abortion and anti-gay former candidate for governor of Georgia. The "guideline" that they don't give money to organizations that are under investigation is a new one. She absolutely has a hand in taking life-saving screening from poor women. She made access to cancer screening a political issue. And yes, Tina, any move that undermines a woman's access to preventive care majorly pisses me off.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2012 21:55:29 GMT -5
I don't, actually, if there is a choice. So if you don't contribute and you don't buy any of the products, why are you so pissed? The people that actually donate to SGK have spoken and they do not want their donations going to PP....shouldn't the people who are actually contributing have a say where their dollars go? again, where have I said I was pissed? I didn't start this thread, I've only agreed with those that say it's a bad PR move for SGK. I've never supported them, and will continue to not support them. WTE?
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 1, 2012 21:57:09 GMT -5
So if you don't contribute and you don't buy any of the products, why are you so pissed? The people that actually donate to SGK have spoken and they do not want their donations going to PP....shouldn't the people who are actually contributing have a say where their dollars go? again, where have I said I was pissed? I didn't start this thread, I've only agreed with those that say it's a bad PR move for SGK. I've never supported them, and will continue to not support them. WTE? I haven't given them a dime in years; they are not as great a group as they want people to think. But it pisses me off when women's health care is used a pawn.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2012 21:58:01 GMT -5
again, where have I said I was pissed? I didn't start this thread, I've only agreed with those that say it's a bad PR move for SGK. I've never supported them, and will continue to not support them. WTE? I haven't given them a dime in years; they are not as great a group as they want people to think. But it pisses me off when women's health care is used a pawn.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 22:02:41 GMT -5
I don't understand the uproar...you said it yourself...if they never funded PP this wouldn't be an issue....well for YEARS they did fund PP and lots of women benefited. They are a private organization whose donors have spoken and do not want their money allocated to an agency who is associated with abortions....they have the RIGHT to do that. Would all of you be up in arms if SGK decided to not fun an organization affiliated with a church that also benefit the poor??? Actually, their donors are speaking pretty loudly right now and they are pissed. The head of the SGK Connecticut affiliate even said it is a very misguided policy and they will continue to fund PP of New England. Karen Handel (SGK's new head of public policy) is an extremely anti-abortion and anti-gay former candidate for governor of Georgia. The "guideline" that they don't give money to organizations that are under investigation is a new one. She absolutely has a hand in taking life-saving screening from poor women. She made access to cancer screening a political issue. And yes, Tina, any move that undermines a woman's access to preventive care majorly pisses me off. I don't understand how a private organization choosing not to fund PP translates into undermining anyone or anything. They are not an insurance company and are not required to fund PP. yes, if actual DONORS are in an uproar is one thing...but I really doubt that everyone that is bitching actually donates to the cause. At the end of the day it is up to the donors (in my opinion)...if they choose to refund PP because of the donors that is their choice.. it's funny really....those of you that are pro-choice are the first ones bitching when a person or organizatin makes a choice that you disagree with
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 22:04:07 GMT -5
I disagree that women's health is being used as a pawn...any organization has the right to decide what they will fund or not fund. They are not doing anything illegal by choosing not to fund PP.
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