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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 22:05:03 GMT -5
I haven't given them a dime in years; they are not as great a group as they want people to think. But it pisses me off when women's health care is used a pawn. Chive, that's why I asked why you were pissed..... but I still say if you don't donate to the organization then you don't have a right to complain....
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 1, 2012 22:09:34 GMT -5
Chive, that's why I asked why you were pissed..... but I still say if you don't donate to the organization then you don't have a right to complain.... I hadn't said so until that. honestly, what bothers me the most about this is how SGK is spinning it. but SGK has bothered me for awhile now already. nancy said it best (I'm working on a couple glasses of wine at this point, it's been a long evening) so I'm not going to try to make it sound any better - I know I'd fail. I know you and I are not on the same page in this arena, and I'm not surprised we're at odds here. hope you're having a good night, I'm going back to receiving congratulations for tonight's meeting for the rest of the night. I'll come back to argue *cough* discuss in the morning.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 1, 2012 22:10:21 GMT -5
Actually, their donors are speaking pretty loudly right now and they are pissed. The head of the SGK Connecticut affiliate even said it is a very misguided policy and they will continue to fund PP of New England. Karen Handel (SGK's new head of public policy) is an extremely anti-abortion and anti-gay former candidate for governor of Georgia. The "guideline" that they don't give money to organizations that are under investigation is a new one. She absolutely has a hand in taking life-saving screening from poor women. She made access to cancer screening a political issue. And yes, Tina, any move that undermines a woman's access to preventive care majorly pisses me off. I don't understand how a private organization choosing not to fund PP translates into undermining anyone or anything. They are not an insurance company and are not required to fund PP. yes, if actual DONORS are in an uproar is one thing...but I really doubt that everyone that is bitching actually donates to the cause. At the end of the day it is up to the donors (in my opinion)...if they choose to refund PP because of the donors that is their choice.. it's funny really....those of you that are pro-choice are the first ones bitching when a person or organizatin makes a choice that you disagree with Tina, quite honestly it would be completely different if it was their donors, but it's not. It's pure political gaming. It is absolutely their choice to withhold funding, but it's pretty ridiculous to claim you are "for the cure" when you withhold funding that helped pay for over 100,000 breast exams in clinics around the country. That's no cure, that's pandering to an extreme base. Cancer doesn't care what your political beliefs or socio-economic background are; it's a shame the largest breast cancer charity does.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 22:11:13 GMT -5
Chive, LOL! I'm not arguing...I honeslty don't understand why everyone is so pissed!
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 1, 2012 22:12:39 GMT -5
I disagree that women's health is being used as a pawn...any organization has the right to decide what they will fund or not fund. They are not doing anything illegal by choosing not to fund PP. Of course they have a right to do as they see fit. And their donors have the right to cease their own funding and send it to PP and better cancer organizations.
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Post by Tired Tess on Feb 1, 2012 22:20:00 GMT -5
Why was SGK giving money to Planned Parenthood? I'm not stating I'm for or against that organization, but if I donate money for cancer research, then I want it to go for cancer research. If I give money to the food bank, I want to provide food for the hungry.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 1, 2012 22:23:46 GMT -5
Why was SGK giving money to Planned Parenthood? I'm not stating I'm for or against that organization, but if I donate money for cancer research, then I want it to go for cancer research. If I give money to the food bank, I want to provide food for the hungry. Because PP offers cancer screening services to women and men who don't have access to care otherwise. Early detection and prevention is supposedly part of SGK's mantra, but it appears to only be true for women with health insurance.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 1, 2012 22:25:13 GMT -5
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 1, 2012 22:29:06 GMT -5
I'm also pro-choice, and I don't appreciate being called a baby-killer or pro-abortion. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to go for the shock value either. Exactly and K for you for putting it into words.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 1, 2012 22:35:31 GMT -5
I disagree that women's health is being used as a pawn...any organization has the right to decide what they will fund or not fund. They are not doing anything illegal by choosing not to fund PP. Of course they have a right to do as they see fit. And their donors have the right to cease their own funding and send it to PP and better cancer organizations. I agree...just like the large donors who are against PP spoke up and apparently pushed SGK to stop funding PP(according to posters here)....it will be interesting to see how this turns out.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Feb 1, 2012 22:36:05 GMT -5
PP provides a wide range of care for women. It makes sense that mammograms should take place there as well - I'm guessing a lot of these women aren't going to a regular doctor for an annual physical and probably don't have the best insurance. I didn't when I went there and I have a friend over 60 who used their services when she was unemployed. I have donated to both groups annually in the past. What I was giving to Komen will now go to Planned Parenthood. I have a really good friend who is against abortion, but thinks Komen no longer providing funding to Planned Parenthood is wrong because they do assist poor women with regular gynecological care, as well as mammograms and vasectomies for their husbands.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 22:38:48 GMT -5
Why was SGK giving money to Planned Parenthood? I'm not stating I'm for or against that organization, but if I donate money for cancer research, then I want it to go for cancer research. If I give money to the food bank, I want to provide food for the hungry. The funding was specifically to provide mammograms to women through PP.
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Post by TD2K on Feb 2, 2012 0:12:21 GMT -5
for over 100,000 breast exams Where do I sign up? ?
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Post by lurkyloo on Feb 2, 2012 1:05:59 GMT -5
It's their choice. But I find it extremely hypocritical, especially if the funds they were donating were earmarked and actually used for breast cancer screening. I think their choice is going to wind up biting them where it hurts--in the donation kettle.
Personally, where I previously supported SGK and breast cancer awareness, I will now make a point of redirecting any money that might have gone there to Planned Parenthood instead.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on Feb 2, 2012 1:19:37 GMT -5
Why was SGK giving money to Planned Parenthood? I'm not stating I'm for or against that organization, but if I donate money for cancer research, then I want it to go for cancer research. If I give money to the food bank, I want to provide food for the hungry. That's precisely why I don't donate to the United Way. THEY would decide where my money is going and what percentage those organizations they are sponsoring would get - even if I don't personally support them. I would have no say once the money is in their hands. If I want to support a cause, I give to them directly. I do this for the Cancer Society, the Heart and Stroke Foundation, our local Air Ambulance, and one specific hospital here that has a specialized cancer treatment center.
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 2, 2012 7:25:25 GMT -5
Did you guys actually miss this from the article?
PP performs 4 million breast exams a year of which 170,000 are from the SGK foundation or .0425%, a foundation standing by its principles is usually a good thing, especially when it comes to the foundations reputation.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Feb 2, 2012 7:47:11 GMT -5
Why was SGK giving money to Planned Parenthood? I'm not stating I'm for or against that organization, but if I donate money for cancer research, then I want it to go for cancer research. If I give money to the food bank, I want to provide food for the hungry. That's precisely why I don't donate to the United Way. THEY would decide where my money is going and what percentage those organizations they are sponsoring would get - even if I don't personally support them. I would have no say once the money is in their hands. If I want to support a cause, I give to them directly. I do this for the Cancer Society, the Heart and Stroke Foundation, our local Air Ambulance, and one specific hospital here that has a specialized cancer treatment center. I agree with this. and the united way leads you to believe that you can direct which organization your money goes to but that isn't technically true. I was "loaned" to them by my firm when I was fresh out of college. At least in 1995, they would allocate their money to the charities they were supporting...unless the directed monies exceeded the allocation, that charity did not benefit from your allocation. Only one charity out of the 20 or so that they supported received additional funds because of donor directives. I found that to be very deceptive...leading donors to think they were making a choice when they really weren't. That was the year I stopped my payroll deductions to the United Way and gave my money directly to the charities that were near and dear to me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 8:30:29 GMT -5
our company does a lot with the United Way. I'm not a huge fan of theirs, so I don't really participate much when charitable giving time rolls around. There are so many other local charities to choose from.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Feb 2, 2012 8:31:52 GMT -5
I can't imagine that anyone who has audited them would support United Way. They are the only charity allowed to fundraise in the federal workforce. I don't do payroll deductions and I try to avoid all the fundraisers. I got sucked into it at Philly bc we got to wear jeans. I was walking to work from the hotel so who wouldn't rather wear jeans and tennis shoes? They got $5 from me.
At my previous employer we used to get to wear WVU jerseys and shirts and jeans on Friday for a $5 donation to United Way. I've successfully avoided all the bake sales in my building for it.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 2, 2012 8:39:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 2, 2012 8:42:16 GMT -5
Im so glad my employer is not involved with the united way.
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Post by lilyofcourse on Feb 2, 2012 9:09:51 GMT -5
oh goodness. You'd think no one has ever heard of a health dept. or clinic. You don't know any poor people, do you? I am poor people. More so than you could imagine. Health dept does mammograms once a year. Takes about two weeks and you have to make an appointment a year in advance. But it's there.
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Post by chiver78 on Feb 2, 2012 9:16:37 GMT -5
Did you guys actually miss this from the article? PP performs 4 million breast exams a year of which 170,000 are from the SGK foundation or .0425%, a foundation standing by its principles is usually a good thing, especially when it comes to the foundations reputation.and that reputation is becoming more and more that they place a higher importance on their image than actually being a charity.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Feb 2, 2012 9:32:14 GMT -5
How come sgk can continue to partner with a company that is under investigation? I guess they're okay with receiving BofA money even though multiple states have them under investigation? Very hypocritical of their so-called policy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2012 9:36:20 GMT -5
cause BofA acquired Fleet, which did lots of slave trade business, and apparently SGK is okay with slave transactions.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 2, 2012 9:45:09 GMT -5
Aw, thanks.
Oh, and congrats.
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Post by Taxman10 on Feb 2, 2012 9:47:53 GMT -5
JFC - are all you pro-deather's still complaining about this?? Just send your money directly to the baby-killers at PP and you won't have to worry about it.
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Post by kittensaver on Feb 2, 2012 10:00:36 GMT -5
I don't understand how a private organization choosing not to fund PP translates into undermining anyone or anything. They are not an insurance company and are not required to fund PP. yes, if actual DONORS are in an uproar is one thing...but I really doubt that everyone that is bitching actually donates to the cause. At the end of the day it is up to the donors (in my opinion)...if they choose to refund PP because of the donors that is their choice.. ========== Miss Tequila - you are absolutely right! Non-profit charities have the right (and the legal responsibility) to allocate dollars in any manner they see fit in keeping with their IRS-stated charitable purpose. What I and several other posters here (and a whole bunch of folks out there in the media and in cyberspace who've been burning up electrons since this story broke) are doing is calling out SGK not for making a funding decision, but for the very publicly disingenuous manner in which they are doing it. TECHNICALLY, SGK's money is not theirs - under IRS tax rules it is public trust fund money. So the public has the right to comment, donor or not. And frankly, when SGK or any other public charity 1) bows to political pressure (something from which they are supposed to be exempt!), and 2) spends its time suing small vendors and small community groups for violations of its "branding," IMHO it has clearly lost its way. I believe the accusations that SGK has gone from being a grass-roots charity intended to help women and communities regardless of their ability to pay (an excellent use of public trust funds, by the way!) to a self-serving, fund raising machine intent on its own self-perpetuation is sadly accurate. And they clearly are going to pay a price for this very public gaffe. And you know who the real losers are? The beneficiaries of the services.THEY are the ones being hurt and undermined
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Post by cme1201 on Feb 2, 2012 10:10:01 GMT -5
Did you guys actually miss this from the article? PP performs 4 million breast exams a year of which 170,000 are from the SGK foundation or .0425%, a foundation standing by its principles is usually a good thing, especially when it comes to the foundations reputation.and that reputation is becoming more and more that they place a higher importance on their image than actually being a charity. Really? Chatrity Navigator rates SGK as a 4 star Charity FYE 03/2010 With a total revenue of 311,855,544.00 and Total Expenses of the year of 316,267,770.00 Their Admin Expenses are 37,629,831.00
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Feb 2, 2012 10:11:39 GMT -5
Aw, now I have to give kittensaver karma again. I think she's had her caffeine for the day. . In a good way, of course. ;D
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