FDA Declares Vitamin B6 a Drug

[djAdvocate]

Feb 1, 2012 15:12:40 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Feb 1, 2012 14:39:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

bingo. this would all be forgivable if they didn't already know that there was no health benefit and considerable risk from smoking toward the end of that run. but they did. how they escaped prison time for this was a masterful feat that anyone interested in the legal profession should study carefully.

I presume you mean cigarette execs and not Dr's. That 3 out of 5 recommend crap was just bogus of course.

yes, and yes.

[floridayankee]

Feb 1, 2012 14:36:25 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I remember "3 out of 5 Doctors recommend Lark Cigarettes", and I was born in 1960.

The other 2 recommended weed

[weltschmerz]

Feb 1, 2012 16:13:29 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

LOL! Haven't smoked that for years either, but at least it has benefits!

Of course, I didn't inhale.

I don't exhale.

[Deleted]

Feb 1, 2012 12:32:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 1, 2012 7:38:46 GMT -5 @businessguy said:

I'm sorry that you can't see the benefit that modern technology has given to food born illnesses or flat out refuse to think about it because you don't eat pork.

straw man. refrigeration does not stop food bourne pathogens, and cooking has been around longer than the written word, so your argument is full of holes. regulating the amount of mercury that is acceptable in fish, on the other hand, has major positive health consequences. if you think that the industry would have regulated itself voluntarily, you need to read some Upton Sinclair.

Expanding your mind is a wonderful thing unfortunately all your mind is rather closed right now, have a great day.

bg- you are good at giving advice. let's see how you are at taking it.

you don't know a goddamn thing about me, ok? if you did, you would know how utterly foolish your appraisal of my mind is. however, i refuse to argue ad hominem with you, so i would simply ask you to argue the facts, and leave my "mind" and other PERSONAL matters out of it.

just to illustrate how wrong you are: i am an engineer and manufacturer engaged in the development of machinery for the food processing industry. i am betting my credentials vis-a-vis food safety are better in this area than anyone on this board, but i would rather simply argue the facts than guess at anyone's level of expertise. you would be wise to follow my example.

I am a licensed professional engineer... then again we aren't standing around whipping it out to see who's is bigger are we?

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For all those advocating that the FDA has the right to exist in it's present form and since I have basically been called dangerous, a 3 year old etc. please show me where the FDA is within the powers of the Federal governement.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 1, 2012 18:26:40 GMT -5 @businessguy said:

Feb 1, 2012 12:32:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

bg- you are good at giving advice. let's see how you are at taking it.

you don't know a goddamn thing about me, ok? if you did, you would know how utterly foolish your appraisal of my mind is. however, i refuse to argue ad hominem with you, so i would simply ask you to argue the facts, and leave my "mind" and other PERSONAL matters out of it.

just to illustrate how wrong you are: i am an engineer and manufacturer engaged in the development of machinery for the food processing industry. i am betting my credentials vis-a-vis food safety are better in this area than anyone on this board, but i would rather simply argue the facts than guess at anyone's level of expertise. you would be wise to follow my example.

I am a licensed professional engineer... then again we aren't standing around whipping it out to see who's is bigger are we?

i already said that i have no plans on doing that, bg. i am actually not interested in your qualifications, and i am sure you are not interested in mine. i was just pointing out that the fact that we differ in opinion is no indication of who i am or what i know.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 1, 2012 18:28:46 GMT -5 @businessguy said:

For all those advocating that the FDA has the right to exist in it's present form and since I have basically been called dangerous, a 3 year old etc. please show me where the FDA is within the powers of the Federal governement.

the FDA was set up to enforce the Wiley Act which basically forbids businesses from poisoning people. if you are asking why this is done by the FDA rather than the courts, i believe that the justification was that since goods are trafficked across state lines, it takes a federal law and enforcement mechanism to back it up. so, i am guessing that the commerce clause is the legal justification.

considering that this was championed by Teddy Roosevelt, and is now over 100 years old, one might also guess that if there were a justified legal case, it would have been made by now. if you don't think so, call Orly Taitz. she might be looking for a new project soon.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 1, 2012 19:05:03 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Feb 1, 2012 18:28:46 GMT -5 @businessguy said:

For all those advocating that the FDA has the right to exist in it's present form and since I have basically been called dangerous, a 3 year old etc. please show me where the FDA is within the powers of the Federal governement.

do you think that the federal government lacks authority to regulate the distribution of poison, lone?

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I will give you that the commerce clause is a heck of a lot better than I expected. I figured somebody would quickly drag out the general welfare clause instead.

Then again using the commerce clause in that manner basically let's the FedGov regulate the entire economy if they so choose.

[vandalshandle]

...Gentlemen, Ron Paul has left the building....

[handyman2]

Hey Welts: To answer your question about Blass. I think it in french is blas'se. it is anytime women in those days felt down or the time of the month when they needed a picker upper. After a month on the tonic they needed a shot or two every day. After washing, ironing, making meals mopping the floor etc. with no airconditioning in summer they had to have a picker upper so they could keep the horny husband and kids happy. The for women only tonic gave them a boost. A big seller. ;D

[djAdvocate]

Feb 1, 2012 19:22:17 GMT -5 @lonewolf said:

Hey, DJ. Show me where they have the authority.

i already answered that question. answer mine.

or, if you don't feel you know well enough, answer THIS one:

do you not think it is the best interests of every citizen to know whether they are getting poisoned or not?

[djAdvocate]

Feb 1, 2012 19:58:38 GMT -5 @businessguy said:

I will give you that the commerce clause is a heck of a lot better than I expected. I figured somebody would quickly drag out the general welfare clause instead.

Then again using the commerce clause in that manner basically let's the FedGov regulate the entire economy if they so choose.

it is up to the SCOTUS to limit the extent to which it is used. such a test is coming up shortly with ObamaCare.

again, they have failed to do so with the FDA. i feel comfortable assuming it is because there is no case to be made, but it may simply be because nobody has ever challenged it.

[dumdeedoe]

Um does that mean that i will need a sript...for my energy drinks?
Nutrition Amount Daily Value (%)
Calories 100 0 %
Total Carbs 27 g 9 %
Sugar 27 g 0 %
Vitamin B2 1.7 mg 100 %
Vitamin B3 20 mg 100 %
Vitamin B6 2 mg 100 %
Vitamin B12 6 mcg 100 %
Sodium 180 mg 8 %
Panax Ginseng 200 mg 0 %
Taurine 1000 mg 0 %

[djAdvocate]

topping for lone: see post 127

[weltschmerz]

Hey Welts: To answer your question about Blass. I think it in french is blas'se.
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Nope, and I speak fluent French. I think you may have meant blahs.

[cereb]

I love threads like this. They are hilarious to read.

[djAdvocate]

you have a dark sense of humor, ms cereb.

[cereb]

Feb 2, 2012 23:59:14 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you have a dark sense of humor, ms cereb.

This is true.

[Deleted]

So DJ do you believe the Federal government shall have the power to regulate the entire economy in any manner they see fit due to the commerce clause? Because that's the road we could go down based on your interpretation.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 3, 2012 11:08:36 GMT -5 @businessguy said:

So DJ do you believe the Federal government shall have the power to regulate the entire economy in any manner they see fit due to the commerce clause? Because that's the road we could go down based on your interpretation.

i can see why you are asking that, but i don't agree that the commerce clause can apply equally to all economic exchanges, only to those which facilitate federal legislation.

the next question is, obviously, what does congress have the right to legislate? and that would be anything that the public (or congress itself) deems necessary, and does not otherwise violate the constitution.

i know that this seems frighteningly broad. but it shouldn't worry anyone too much. the protections for commerce in this nation are extraordinarily robust, all the way down to public opinion, which sides hugely with it. we are the least statist of ALL western nations- the most capitalistic and fiercely independent. that is a very durable underlying MO for us. if that changes, all bets are off, but i doubt it will change in our lifetimes.

[vandalshandle]

It seems to me that I have heard all these arguments against the FDA back around 1953, when the right was telling everybody that the government putting fluoride in our water was a dirty commie plot...

Opps! My mistake! They are still protesting it, 60 years later:

www.fluoridealert.org/protest-pictures.html