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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 31, 2012 10:42:05 GMT -5
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Post by bean29 on Jan 31, 2012 10:47:38 GMT -5
So are they banning B-Complex vitamins? Or just the supplements that are just B-6? The way it is written they are banning any vitamin that has B-6 in it which would include B-Complex vitamins.
My understanding was that the problems come in when people take mega doses of specific vitamins.
Modified to correct spelling error.
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Post by cme1201 on Jan 31, 2012 10:51:50 GMT -5
Paul why are you using an article from 2007 on a subject that was started in 2005?
That slow of a news day or were you not allowed to loiter at the polling places?
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 31, 2012 11:00:18 GMT -5
Eat nuts, whole grain products, vegetables and bananas and you will be just fine.
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 31, 2012 11:02:34 GMT -5
I can still buy Vitamin B6 over-the-counter, and it's still in B-Complex vitamins. Here's a fact sheet from the National Institute of Health that was last reviewed in September, 2011, rather than something from 2007, or 2009: ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb6/
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 31, 2012 11:11:07 GMT -5
The FDA has declared a form of vitamin B6 a 'drug' which will ban 'pryidoxamine' from dietary supplements. Odd- they've banned a substance that occurs naturally in the food supply. lots of poisons occur naturally in the food supply, too. should the FDA unban them, as well?
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Post by mmhmm on Jan 31, 2012 11:57:14 GMT -5
For years, the creepy, useless, liberty-stealing, power-hungry, poorly-run FDA has been trying to get their tentacles around all supplements. I'm sick of the government telling me what I can consume and what I can't! Consume whatever you like, lonewolf. Of course, if you listen to every scare-monger out there, you might not want to consume anything at all, or you might want to consume stuff that will rot your body from the inside out. Frankly, that's up to you. Just realize there's a difference between the claims in old articles dredged up from the internet and today's reality.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jan 31, 2012 12:05:06 GMT -5
A salad of potato and rhubarb leaves with a raspberry vinaigrette is out of this world.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 12:39:09 GMT -5
Pyridoxamine occurs naturally in fish, chicken and other foods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B6), putting the FDA in the strange position of banning a substance from dietary supplements even though it is already present in the food supply. ------------------ Arsenic is a naturally occuring substance as well. That doesn't mean it should be sold over the counter. Most vitamins are water-soluble, except for A, D, E and K, which are fat soluble. Too much of these can do some major damage.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 12:41:32 GMT -5
The FDA has declared a form of vitamin B6 a 'drug' which will ban 'pryidoxamine' from dietary supplements.
Odd- they've banned a substance that occurs naturally in the food supply. When are they going to LEAVE US ALONE! ------------------------- What was your point, again? You want to consume poison if you feel like it? Be my guest.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 31, 2012 12:51:00 GMT -5
Pyridoxamine occurs naturally in fish, chicken and other foods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B6), putting the FDA in the strange position of banning a substance from dietary supplements even though it is already present in the food supply. ------------------ Arsenic is a naturally occuring substance as well. That doesn't mean it should be sold over the counter. Most vitamins are water-soluble, except for A, D, E and K, which are fat soluble. Too much of these can do some major damage. the list is endless, weltz. ENDLESS. there are naturally occurring toxins ALL OVER the place. the FDA has not only the RIGHT, but the RESPONSIBILITY to regulate them. that is what they are there for. it is truly bizarre when the libertarians out there seem to be professing a right for businesses to poison people.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 12:55:23 GMT -5
the list is endless, weltz. ENDLESS. there are naturally occurring toxins ALL OVER the place. the FDA has not only the RIGHT, but the RESPONSIBILITY to regulate them. that is what they are there for. it is truly bizarre when the libertarians out there seem to be professing a right for businesses to poison people. -------------------------------- I know, eh? While we're at it, let's sell heroin, opium and cocaine over the counter....all naturally occuring substances. Sometimes, I think PBP likes to find things to complain and whine about, much like a former Alaskan half-term governor.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 13:02:00 GMT -5
I think this is FDA's attempt to get a foothold into regulating supplements. --------------------- Nothing worng with that, considering that many supplements can be very dangerous, and most people aren't aware of it. Hey, if it's sold in a health food store, it's GOTTA be good for you.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 31, 2012 13:04:27 GMT -5
A salad of potato and rhubarb leaves with a raspberry vinaigrette is out of this world. ...as long as it comes with a nice, 1-2" cut slab of dead cow done medium rare.....FDA approved dead cow that is.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 13:23:07 GMT -5
FDA approved dead cow that is. ----------------- Nah, the FDA needs to get out of everyone's "bidness". Have a nice slab of beef rife with bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
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Post by workpublic on Jan 31, 2012 13:48:04 GMT -5
forget supplements. just eat monsanto, conagra modified "natural" foods. ;-)
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 31, 2012 13:57:30 GMT -5
My understanding was that the problems come in when people take mega doses of specific vitamins. Fat soluble vitamins, yes. B vitamins are water soluble meaning excess vitamin B excreted in urine.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 31, 2012 14:04:40 GMT -5
I'm not sure this will matter much in the way of supplements anyway since the most popular form of B6 sold is pyridoxine not pryidoxamine Nature's Bounty has developed a variety of B vitamin complexes to support nervous system health and provide nourishment for the stress of daily living.* The B vitamin complex consists of eight water-soluble vitamins, including vitamins B-1 (thiamin), B-2 (riboflavin), B-3 (niacin), B-5 (pantothenic acid), B-6 (pyridoxine), B-7 (biotin), B-9 (folic acid), and B-12 (cyanocobalamin)
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 14:05:05 GMT -5
B vitamins are water soluble meaning excess vitamin B excreted in urine. ------------------ They can still do quite a bit of damage. All the B vitamins are water-soluble, meaning that the body does not store them. Very high doses of B3, available by prescription, have been studied to prevent or improve symptoms of the following conditions. However, at high doses niacin can be toxic. You should not take doses higher than the Recommended Daily Allowance except under your doctor's supervision. Read more: www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/vitamin-b3-000335.htm#ixzz1l42tzHBs
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 14:07:07 GMT -5
Crap! This thread reminds me....I have to give myself a B12 shot. I really hate doing that. It's so much easier to inject other people.
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Post by jkapp on Jan 31, 2012 14:13:11 GMT -5
Pyridoxamine occurs naturally in fish, chicken and other foods (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B6), putting the FDA in the strange position of banning a substance from dietary supplements even though it is already present in the food supply. ------------------ Arsenic is a naturally occuring substance as well. That doesn't mean it should be sold over the counter. Most vitamins are water-soluble, except for A, D, E and K, which are fat soluble. Too much of these can do some major damage. the list is endless, weltz. ENDLESS. there are naturally occurring toxins ALL OVER the place. the FDA has not only the RIGHT, but the RESPONSIBILITY to regulate them. that is what they are there for. it is truly bizarre when the libertarians out there seem to be professing a right for businesses to poison people. I didn't realize the businesses were forcing people to take them...or overdose on them.
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Post by floridayankee on Jan 31, 2012 14:13:17 GMT -5
B vitamins are water soluble meaning excess vitamin B excreted in urine. ------------------ They can still do quite a bit of damage. All the B vitamins are water-soluble, meaning that the body does not store them. Very high doses of B3, available by prescription, have been studied to prevent or improve symptoms of the following conditions. However, at high doses niacin can be toxic. You should not take doses higher than the Recommended Daily Allowance except under your doctor's supervision. Read more: www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/vitamin-b3-000335.htm#ixzz1l42tzHBsExcept...the FDA is going after pryidoxamine, not Niacin. There's quite a bit of 'stuff' out there that can be toxic at 'very high doses'. Sometimes one just needs to be smarter than the equipment.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 14:16:34 GMT -5
There's quite a bit of 'stuff' out there that can be toxic at 'high doses'. Sometimes one just needs to be smarter than the equipment. ------------------- And what percentage of people would you consider smart? Most are blissfully unaware of what they're ingesting. Like I mentioned before, "if it's in a health food store, it must be good for me. If one pill is good, two or three must be better".
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 14:18:25 GMT -5
Except...the FDA is going after pryidoxamine, not Niacin. ---------------------- It's still a B vitamin, is it not? I was refuting your claim of B vitamins not doing damage, because they're water soluble.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 31, 2012 14:25:27 GMT -5
For years, the creepy, useless, liberty-stealing, power-hungry, poorly-run FDA has been trying to get their tentacles around all supplements. I'm sick of the government telling me what I can consume and what I can't! This is why I brought it up.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jan 31, 2012 14:26:46 GMT -5
Crap! This thread reminds me....I have to give myself a B12 shot. I really hate doing that. It's so much easier to inject other people. Why do people inject vitamin B12? Can you not simply ingest it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 14:28:21 GMT -5
FDA approved dead cow that is. ----------------- Nah, the FDA needs to get out of everyone's "bidness". Have a nice slab of beef rife with bovine spongiform encephalopathy. Cute, until you realize the FDA has prevented states from implementing testing for mad cow disease so that their beef can be more easily exported.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 14:40:04 GMT -5
Why do people inject vitamin B12? Can you not simply ingest it? --------------------- No. I won't absorb it if I ingest it.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 14:46:13 GMT -5
PBP, it does come in pill form, but that won't work for me. I have a chronic health condition, and I need the shot.
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