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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 22:33:53 GMT -5
Still waiting for a response on how the FDA is protecting the consumer from mad cow disease..... ----------------------- Sure, no problem. As of October 26, 2009, a regulation issued by FDA in April 2009 came into effect establishing an enhanced BSE-related feed ban in the United States. This enhanced ban will further harmonize BSE feed control measures in the U.S. with those in Canada (see below). In addition, FDA continues to enforce its important 1997 mammalian-to-ruminant feed ban through its BSE inspection and BSE feed testing programs. www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/Day late and a dollar short.... www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RS2170901192005.pdfTry again... Now you're just moving the goalposts. You asked what the FDA is doing to to protect the consumers from BSE. I told you. The fact that they should have done it sooner has absolutely no bearing on your question.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 31, 2012 23:08:02 GMT -5
you can call it whatever you like. but the fact remains that foodbourne illness is way way down since the advent of food safety in the US. if you want to turn back the clock, be my guest. i will help pay for the ticket out of here. While you bow down and thank government, i bow to nobody. and i consider the government to be an extension of the electorate, so if i express any thanks, it is to the public.I will thank modern refrigeration, transporation and education. refrigeration won't stop food bourne illness that was present in the product before it reached the kitchen. ditto for transportation. ditto for education. your fridge is full of red herring.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jan 31, 2012 23:10:26 GMT -5
While you bow down and thank government, I will thank modern refrigeration, transporation and education. Don't forget, common sense. You know, that thing that the government doesn't think we have. define "common sense". would common sense cause you to doubt the claim of a popular product that touted it's health benefits?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 23:28:30 GMT -5
While you bow down and thank government, i bow to nobody. and i consider the government to be an extension of the electorate, so if i express any thanks, it is to the public.I will thank modern refrigeration, transporation and education. refrigeration won't stop food bourne illness that was present in the product before it reached the kitchen. ditto for transportation. ditto for education. your fridge is full of red herring. Modern pigs just called to let you know that trichnosis isn't a problem anymore and the government had nothing to do with that. Further properly cooked contaminated beef won't cause you any tummy trouble. Do you think cheap, accurate and readily available thermometers had anything to do with that?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 23:29:54 GMT -5
Now you're just moving the goalposts. You asked what the FDA is doing to to protect the consumers from BSE. I told you. The fact that they should have done it sooner has absolutely no bearing on your question. Again I said it before, the FDA does not allow for mad cow testing on all beef, even if a state chooses to implement it's own regulations it will be overruled by the FDA so how is the FDA actually protecting consumers?
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Post by weltschmerz on Jan 31, 2012 23:45:33 GMT -5
Again I said it before, the FDA does not allow for mad cow testing on all beef, even if a state chooses to implement it's own regulations it will be overruled by the FDA so how is the FDA actually protecting consumers? ----------------- Am I speaking English? I thought I was.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 23:50:10 GMT -5
Again I said it before, the FDA does not allow for mad cow testing on all beef, even if a state chooses to implement it's own regulations it will be overruled by the FDA so how is the FDA actually protecting consumers? ----------------- Am I speaking English? I thought I was. Well you seem to throw some extra eh's in on the conversation, but yes it sounds like English.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 0:24:02 GMT -5
Yes, common sense would cause me to doubt any such claim. I try and research everything I consume or put on my body, this after having FDA approved medications make me very sick. God help me if i get behind you in the grocery store.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 0:27:35 GMT -5
refrigeration won't stop food bourne illness that was present in the product before it reached the kitchen. ditto for transportation. ditto for education. your fridge is full of red herring. Modern pigs just called to let you know that trichnosis isn't a problem anymore and the government had nothing to do with that. don't really give a crap. i have a kosher house.Further properly cooked contaminated beef won't cause you any tummy trouble. Do you think cheap, accurate and readily available thermometers had anything to do with that? what does that have to do with refrigeration? mankind was cooking meat before he could even speak, let alone organize into things called societies. is that how far back you want to go? the field has gone an extra 200 yards during the course of this conversation. let me know when you decide to stop moving goal.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2012 2:16:15 GMT -5
Further properly cooked contaminated beef won't cause you any tummy trouble. ------------------- That depends on what it's contaminated with.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2012 2:25:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 7:38:46 GMT -5
Modern pigs just called to let you know that trichnosis isn't a problem anymore and the government had nothing to do with that. don't really give a crap. i have a kosher house.Further properly cooked contaminated beef won't cause you any tummy trouble. Do you think cheap, accurate and readily available thermometers had anything to do with that? what does that have to do with refrigeration? mankind was cooking meat before he could even speak, let alone organize into things called societies. is that how far back you want to go? the field has gone an extra 200 yards during the course of this conversation. let me know when you decide to stop moving goal. Cute cliche, but you are late Welts already gave that answer. I'm sorry that you can't see the benefit that modern technology has given to food born illnesses or flat out refuse to think about it because you don't eat pork. Expanding your mind is a wonderful thing unfortunately all your mind is rather closed right now, have a great day. Welts, you are correct and I should have specified e-coli etc...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Feb 1, 2012 8:44:42 GMT -5
I try and research everything I consume or put on my body, this after having FDA approved medications make me very sick.
You know why you have i nformation you can research? The evil nasty FDA makes companies provide that information.
Before the FDA for all you know the doctor is giving you a concotion that is nothing more than some ink and alcohol, but they are not required to tell you that.
You could go in for illness and wake up with syphilis like half a dozen African American men did because the doctors wanted a group they could study under a controlled setting.
You could come out with your uterus gone after going under for gallbladder surgery because the doctot decided that you were not capable of raising children properly.
Ah, those were the days, when signing into the hospital meant that you were now the unknowing guiena pig of every doctor, medical student and drug developer out there.
I think it'd be fun to go back to those days. Who doesn't want to wake up 10-15 years down the road with full blown and now incurable syphillis.
Especially if it means the big bad goverment is out of the way and the "free market" can rule.
Totally worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 9:00:44 GMT -5
I try and research everything I consume or put on my body, this after having FDA approved medications make me very sick. You know why you have i nformation you can research? The evil nasty FDA makes companies provide that information. Before the FDA for all you know the doctor is giving you a concotion that is nothing more than some ink and alcohol, but they are not required to tell you that. You could go in for illness and wake up with syphilis like half a dozen African American men did because the doctors wanted a group they could study under a controlled setting. You could come out with your uterus gone after going under for gallbladder surgery because the doctot decided that you were not capable of raising children properly. Ah, those were the days, when signing into the hospital meant that you were now the unknowing guiena pig of every doctor, medical student and drug developer out there. I think it'd be fun to go back to those days. Who doesn't want to wake up 10-15 years down the road with full blown and now incurable syphillis. Especially if it means the big bad goverment is out of the way and the "free market" can rule. Totally worth it. The FDA was started in 1906, much of the testing on African Americans you speak of happened in the 1940s, great example of how the FDA doesn't help the consumer....
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 1, 2012 10:44:44 GMT -5
Actually if you look it up in history, the FDA started with little direction and no labs. It took a while to get started. The testing of syphillis was not under their perview and in fact most of it was not even done in this country. It was done on prision inmates in another country. Before the FDA most home made elixers and patient medicines for coughs, colds, energy boosters etc were a good part cocaine.
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 1, 2012 11:44:13 GMT -5
Guys, I have become convinced that some of these folks are just pulling our chains. When someone starts ranting about how our government is taking away our freedoms by protecting us from poison, you have to ask yourself whether or not they just like to see the pot boil for the fun of it. Arguing with that position is about as productive as arguing with my 3 year old granddaughter about whether or not it is time to go to bed. Why bother?
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 12:32:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry that you can't see the benefit that modern technology has given to food born illnesses or flat out refuse to think about it because you don't eat pork. straw man. refrigeration does not stop food bourne pathogens, and cooking has been around longer than the written word, so your argument is full of holes. regulating the amount of mercury that is acceptable in fish, on the other hand, has major positive health consequences. if you think that the industry would have regulated itself voluntarily, you need to read some Upton Sinclair.Expanding your mind is a wonderful thing unfortunately all your mind is rather closed right now, have a great day. bg- you are good at giving advice. let's see how you are at taking it. you don't know a goddamn thing about me, ok? if you did, you would know how utterly foolish your appraisal of my mind is. however, i refuse to argue ad hominem with you, so i would simply ask you to argue the facts, and leave my "mind" and other PERSONAL matters out of it. just to illustrate how wrong you are: i am an engineer and manufacturer engaged in the development of machinery for the food processing industry. i am betting my credentials vis-a-vis food safety are better in this area than anyone on this board, but i would rather simply argue the facts than guess at anyone's level of expertise. you would be wise to follow my example.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 12:35:28 GMT -5
Actually, the best thing many of you could do (I am naming no names nor picking anyone out) is to rely less on "common sense" which could be misinformed, but recheck what you are saying before you post. I've made the same mistake. Common sense is only accurate when one is in full possession of facts. Often, limited information leads to incorrect conclusions. tt- the whole basis of "common sense" is acting WITHOUT complete information, utilizing old wives tales, and anecdotal evidence. that is why it holds no merit for me. i prefer careful study to good guessing.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 12:38:14 GMT -5
Guys, I have become convinced that some of these folks are just pulling our chains. When someone starts ranting about how our government is taking away our freedoms by protecting us from poison, you have to ask yourself whether or not they just like to see the pot boil for the fun of it. Arguing with that position is about as productive as arguing with my 3 year old granddaughter about whether or not it is time to go to bed. Why bother? because, on the off chance that what they are saying is sincerely believed, these people are dangerous. such wrongness deserves, at a minimum, a swift rebuke. though you are probably right in thinking that it deserves little more.
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 1, 2012 14:12:42 GMT -5
If it was not for the FDA we would still be using Paregoric and Laudanum on babies in dangerous formulated amounts. Both before had higher amounts of opium in the non regulated years. Could cause serious health problems.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2012 14:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by handyman2 on Feb 1, 2012 14:31:47 GMT -5
There was a product that toughted to be a cure for womens blass. It was syrup and a good does of cocaine. It was sold and very popular with women from late 1800's to the 1930's. It is said there were more narcotic dependent people per capita then than to day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 14:33:28 GMT -5
and, as i am sure everyone is aware, Coca-Cola is not just a catchy name.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 14:34:07 GMT -5
There was a product that toughted to be a cure for womens blass. It was syrup and a good does of cocaine. It was sold and very popular with women from late 1800's to the 1930's. It is said there were more narcotic dependent people per capita then than to day. the health benefits of smoking were touted well into the 50's, and maybe the 60's. this included testimonials from "doctors". it is pretty clear that people around here don't trust government. that is fine. neither do i. don't trust as much as you like. but if you think business is any better, you should check into your local mental health professional for advice. the traditional approach to a business that is caught selling poison is to rebrand it and continue selling it overseas, where the FDA doesn't exist. if you don't believe me, i would suggest that you look into banned pesticides and see where they are currently being marketed, and by what companies.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 14:39:00 GMT -5
I remember "3 out of 5 Doctors recommend Lark Cigarettes", and I was born in 1960. bingo. this would all be forgivable if they didn't already know that there was no health benefit and considerable risk from smoking toward the end of that run. but they did. how they escaped prison time for this was a masterful feat that anyone interested in the legal profession should study carefully.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2012 14:40:55 GMT -5
womens blass. --------------------- What is blass? Bloated ass?
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 1, 2012 14:41:43 GMT -5
That is how the tobacco companies survived. They started aggressively marketing in Asia and China. Now, damn near all the Chinese smoke. We won't have to ever go to war with them. they are killing themselves.
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 1, 2012 14:43:03 GMT -5
That is how the tobacco companies survived. They started aggressively marketing in Asia and China. Now, damn near all the Chinese smoke. We won't have to ever go to war with them. they are killing themselves. it is an interesting business model, isn't it? you lose 1M of your best customers every year, so you have to market to kids.
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Post by weltschmerz on Feb 1, 2012 14:44:24 GMT -5
you should check into your local mental health professional ------------------------ <--------Mental Health Professional
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Post by vandalshandle on Feb 1, 2012 14:45:11 GMT -5
I smoked 2 1/2 packs a day for 37 years. I quit 19 years ago. I honestly did not think that I could, but when I reached 50, I knew that my time was running out. nicotine is more addictive than heroin.
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