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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 7:36:11 GMT -5
Tea Party picks up steam, demands further cuts Joe Garofoli, Chronicle Staff Writer Wednesday, August 3, 2011 National Tea Party leaders in California were thrilled about one by-product of the political bloodbath over raising the federal debt ceiling: The fight showed that after two years of rabble-rousing from outside the Capitol, the Tea Party has real power to shape the debate in Washington. Their challenge now that President Obama has signed the debt limit law: Can the Tea Party transform its government-shrinking mantra into long-term power, or will it be a one-hit wonder? They're not stopping to think about it. This month, Tea Partiers will storm town hall meetings of Republican and Democratic members of Congress and demand even more cuts. It's the same strategy Tea Party groups used two years ago to protest - and ultimately water down - the health care reform law when they burst on the national scene. "You're going to see a lot of heat at those meetings," said Mark Meckler, a Grass Valley (Nevada County) resident and co-founder of Tea Party Patriots, a national organization that called House Speaker John Boehner's plan to lift the ceiling "an embarrassment." Tea Partiers say the debt deal didn't cut enough federal spending, was crafted behind closed doors, and assigned responsibility for further cuts to a small, joint committee of Congress. That heat will be stoked further on Aug. 27 in Napa, when thousands of supporters and at least two GOP presidential candidates are expected to attend a rally to start a Tea Party Express bus trip across the country. It will end in Tampa, where the group will co-host a Republican presidential debate with CNN. Two years ago, the idea of the Tea Party co-hosting a debate with the self-proclaimed "most trusted name in news" was unimaginable. 'Fundamental switch' "They've changed the debate," said Sal Russo, a longtime Sacramento GOP operative who is now the chief strategist for the Tea Party Express. While the Tea Party has minimal impact in California, several of its national leaders are based here. "They haven't been able to get the government turned around, but this is a fundamental switch in how they're talking about cutting government and not growing it," Russo said. The strategy of Tea Partiers during the debt-ceiling debate, "whether it was thought through or not, was ingenious," said Sarah Binder, a professor of political science at George Washington University and author of "Stalemate: Causes and Consequences of Legislative Gridlock." "By taking the issue of the debt ceiling hostage" by taking a hard-line position against raising the debt ceiling, "they were able to keep pulling the policy choices over to the right," Binder said. "What was so brilliant about this is that the consequences (of not listening to them) were so steep, the White House almost had to blink," Binder said. Helping the Tea Party's cause was that their supporters were more engaged in lobbying Washington than before. Twenty percent of GOP Tea Party supporters contacted an elected official about the federal budget deficit in the past month, compared with just 5 percent of Republicans who don't agree with the Tea Party, according to a survey released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center. Challenge to sustain power Another mark of the Tea Party's influence is that its political opponents are name-dropping them - albeit negatively. Said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland: "We cannot allow the extreme Tea Party Republicans to advance their agenda to dismantle our government by rewarding their extreme tactics with this bad deal." Rep. Mike Doyle, D-Pa., said, "The Tea Party acted like terrorists in threatening to blow up the economy" in a meeting with Democrats this week. The Tea Party influence was felt in the debt-ceiling debate, but little more than half of the 60-member House Tea Party caucus voted for the bill Monday. That makes Binder and other analysts wonder whether the Tea Party can sustain its power. Binder said that "holding hostage" the debt ceiling is an issue - unlike immigration, for example - whose consequences affect every American. She wondered how cohesive the House Tea Party bloc is. Only 41 of them - out of 240 House Republicans - voted against the budget deal in April and the debt ceiling package Monday because neither included cuts deep enough to satisfy them, Binder said. For now, Tea Party passion is hot in local districts. Some Tea Partiers want to support primary challengers against lawmakers who supported Boehner, such as Tea Party darling Rep. Allen West, R-Fla. "One minute they're saying I'm their Tea Party hero, and three, four days later I'm a Tea Party defector," West said last week on Laura Ingraham's syndicated conservative radio show. E-mail Joe Garofoli at jgarofoli@sfchronicle.com. sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/03/MNPQ1KIDE4.DTLThis article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2011 7:59:07 GMT -5
Said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland: "We cannot allow the extreme Tea Party Republicans to advance their agenda to dismantle our government by rewarding their extreme tactics with this bad deal."
I find it odd (funny odd) that after 2 years of President Obama steam rolling his agenda on the country a democrat would say that.
This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
I don't find it odd that this was reported in the San Francisco Chronicle.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 8:00:13 GMT -5
Rep. Mike Doyle, D-Pa., said, "The Tea Party acted like terrorists in threatening to blow up the economy" in a meeting with Democrats this week. The Liberal stategy now appears to be to attack, and demean the Tea Party since they have been defeated in the debt ceiling debate. The Tea Party representatives in the House are @ 60 members but the Progressives in the House are @ 80 members so this far left and far right wingers are now on vacation until September but they will be back..
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 3, 2011 8:05:48 GMT -5
Personally I think the Tea Party concept will evolve into a more disciplined political force. It has become evident that the citizens can in fact make a difference by electing representitives that will listen and then hold their feet to the fire to keep their promises. As the saying goes there is a new sheriff in town. The establishment does not like it but I see them here to stay. The establishment in politics better listen up or they are going to find out the tea party supporters means business. I know the talking heads on tv keep putting them down, however one thing I have come to believe when they say the vast majority of americans want this or that they do not have a clue. They sit in an office and look at polls which in many cases are skewed or just plain made up and spout a conclusion. They for the most part do not have a clue what the average person on the street wants or expects from their elected representitives. The common person has found those who will fight for them and they are here to stay.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 8:17:08 GMT -5
National Tea Party leaders in California were thrilled about one by-product of the political bloodbath over raising the federal debt ceiling: The fight showed that after two years of rabble-rousing from outside the Capitol, the Tea Party has real power to shape the debate in Washington.
Their challenge now that President Obama has signed the debt limit law: Can the Tea Party transform its government-shrinking mantra into long-term power, or will it be a one-hit wonder? If this deal thrills the NTP leaders in CA, I'd say they're already done. Congress and TP Leaders are patting themselves on the back for pouring a cup of water on a raging house fire. This deal is crap.
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Post by deziloooooo on Aug 3, 2011 8:19:02 GMT -5
Yet when one of their members, Representative West..not my favorite congressmann, but who logically explained his reasons for voting for the deal, and how it would be a disaster if the cealing wasn't raised, was then attacked and threatenened by the members of the TP with possible a different candidate should be putnup for his seat and supported in the next election..seems you step out of line just once..your toast by these folks.
That is a scary situation iIMHO..
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 8:26:40 GMT -5
..seems you step out of line just once..your toast by these folks. That is a scary situation iIMHO.. Why is that scary? A lot of hard core libs abandoned Obama over his failure to get UHC into the Obamacare bill. How is this any different?
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 8:29:34 GMT -5
National Tea Party leaders in California were thrilled about one by-product of the political bloodbath over raising the federal debt ceiling: The fight showed that after two years of rabble-rousing from outside the Capitol, the Tea Party has real power to shape the debate in Washington.
Their challenge now that President Obama has signed the debt limit law: Can the Tea Party transform its government-shrinking mantra into long-term power, or will it be a one-hit wonder? If this deal thrills the NTP leaders in CA, I'd say they're already done. Congress and TP Leaders are patting themselves on the back for pouring a cup of water on a raging house fire. This deal is crap. The million dollar question is can the TP be able to influence the upcoming debates on debt reduction or was their recent success just a one hit wonder?? I suspect there is a movement going on in this country that could give the TP more power up to the elections in 2012 or they could just fizzle out....time will tell, I guess?? And the answer might be how much money the TP can raise across the country to push their government shrinking mantra
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Post by handyman2 on Aug 3, 2011 8:30:14 GMT -5
DEZI: Interesting take on the tea party candidates. You fail to notice that there were more than just tea party candidates that voted against the bill. Not only in the house but also in the senate. And you failed to notice that had several tea party candidates not supported the bill it would not have passed in the house. They are not total idiots. I am not a tea party member but I find it laughable with the manufactured reasoning people who are totally against them come up with to put them down.
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Post by cme1201 on Aug 3, 2011 8:32:04 GMT -5
..seems you step out of line just once..your toast by these folks. That is a scary situation iIMHO.. Why is that scary? A lot of hard core libs abandoned Obama over his failure to get UHC into the Obamacare bill. How is this any different? How is it different, that is very easy. If I like my guy it's not scary it's sound policy If I do not like your guy then he scares me and I must do what must be done to make sure he is unable to spread his scariness around. Rose colored glasses make the world inside your head look peachy keen
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 9:04:26 GMT -5
If it is a one hit wonder, so what? At least for today they managed to stave off the speeding train of disastrous govt spending. Barreling towards the cliff at 100 mph for the next decade or 70mph. They have simply delayed the wreck, not changed the results. In case anybody was asleep in 2008, debt bubbles do burst. When the train is put in to reverse, I'll get on board. Until then, this deal is still crap.
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 3, 2011 9:06:25 GMT -5
If it is a one hit wonder, so what? At least for today they managed to stave off the speeding train of disastrous govt spending. Barreling towards the cliff at 100 mph for the next decade or 70mph. They have simply delayed the wreck, not changed the results. When the train is put in to reverse, I'll get on board. Until then, this deal is still crap. Have to disagree. If it were "crap" there would be a pile to see. At best it was a loud, juicy fart.
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Post by rockon on Aug 3, 2011 9:24:54 GMT -5
There is simple no way to make any logic argument against the Tea Parties main concern. Our government spending is out of control and will implode our countries finances. The majority of Americans recognize this fact and realize that the way our country has operated for the last 5 decades is no sustainable. The only way for the Democrats or Republicans to defuse them would be if they join them in this concern or at least pretend to be concerned. The Democrats in particular have decided to fight this logic and will either continue to lose support or if they continue to maintain the type of control they have had the last three years will bring this point to a head before long when we can no longer borrow more money or when we spend so much on interest that we can no longer afford to pay for our basic essential services. It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to see we are on a dead end road and it could happen pretty quick if the rating agencies end up down grading our credit status.
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Post by deziloooooo on Aug 3, 2011 9:30:46 GMT -5
..seems you step out of line just once..your toast by these folks. That is a scary situation iIMHO.. Why is that scary? A lot of hard core libs abandoned Obama over his failure to get UHC into the Obamacare bill. How is this any different? we'll have to see after the elections..if they do "abandon " as you say..possible the pubs will put up some one that will fit their wants better...do you beleive that will happen? So they stay home? Possible some, but for what reason... And I don't see these folks threatening to put up other candidates more to theior liking as the TP is doing..and they, the TP, are doing thatr..that example of turning on West..you think that makes sense? I don't care about West himself..turn on him as far as I am concerned, go to it but in reality, just because ..makes no sense to me..it is scary these folks.
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Post by jkapp on Aug 3, 2011 9:31:05 GMT -5
Yet when one of their members, Representative West..not my favorite congressmann, but who logically explained his reasons for voting for the deal, and how it would be a disaster if the cealing wasn't raised, was then attacked and threatenened by the members of the TP with possible a different candidate should be putnup for his seat and supported in the next election..seems you step out of line just once..your toast by these folks. That is a scary situation iIMHO.. But isn't this how Dems and Reps have been saying how our voice gets heard in Washington? If we don't like a candidate we can vote them out? What does it matter if it is after one term or five terms? Unless the "little people" aren't actually SUPPOSED to have a voice, is what your saying? We should just accept whatever poor decisions the politicans make because it's too scary to hold their feet to the fire and show there are consequences to their actions?
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Post by magichat on Aug 3, 2011 9:38:06 GMT -5
If it is a one hit wonder, so what? At least for today they managed to stave off the speeding train of disastrous govt spending. That seriously made me laugh out loud. How sad that people have actually been sold the bullshit that anything was actually cut. Idiots deserve the government we have.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 3, 2011 9:48:47 GMT -5
True or False:
The government will spend more every year for the next ten years than it spent last year or this year.
There were NO CUTS.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 10:05:13 GMT -5
Have to disagree. If it were "crap" there would be a pile to see. At best it was a loud, juicy fart. Usually where a pile is buried, it creates a slight hill...hence the term "Capital Hill". I agree....so where will the effort begin? This deal simply continues business as usual rather than change anything. Seriously...trim $2.2 trillion over an entire decade? We're adding nearly half that this year alone. That's what I'm saying......Nothing but more hollow promises and a debt increase that is expected to last a while year and a half. Sure, there's a trigger in there that is supposed to make cuts if this "super congress" fails to come up with a plan. Unfortunately this trigger wouldn't come until 2013 and there is absolutely nothing in there that makes this a binding on the future congress. Just like these auto Medicare reimbursement cuts that never happen...the trigger will be overridden. The Congressional Budget Office currently projects that $9.5 trillion in new debt will have to be issued over the next 10 years. Even if all of the reductions proposed in the deal were to come to pass, which is highly unlikely, that would still leave $7.1 trillion in new debt accumulation by 2021. Our problems have not been solved by a long shot. blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2011/08/01/debt-deal-is-a-blank-check/People really need to stop and look at this deal instead of simply assuming it's good since "disaster was averted". It has not been averted...merely delayed.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 10:11:16 GMT -5
I don't care about West himself..turn on him as far as I am concerned, go to it but in reality, just because ..makes no sense to me..it is scary these folks. It's not scary dezi....just a chance to make the opposition "seem" scary. This is politics as usual and it has been going on as long as I can remember. That's because a majority of Americans woke up by the sound of the consumer debt bubble bursting as the housing market collapsed. Apparently the folks in DC haven't noticed.
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Post by privateinvestor on Aug 3, 2011 10:14:23 GMT -5
The future of the Tea Party depends on just one thing.............CASH............if they can continue to bring in the $$$big bucks they can lobby congress for their agenda which is basically to reduce the size or our Federal Government...
And when any conservative sees the Tea Party in their office 24/7 they might just go along to get along.....IMHO
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Post by Phoenix84 on Aug 3, 2011 10:18:38 GMT -5
I think if this whole debt cealing thing has shown is that elections have consequences. If the republicans (and tea party) hadn't steam rolled the 2010 elections I bet the democrats would have simply raised the debt cealing with little or no spending cuts (and likely tax increases as well). Because of the tea party and other republicans, the democrats were forced to have spending cuts. From what I've read about the bill that passed, I think conservatives got the better end of the stick.
They got big cuts, no tax increase, and a vote on a balenced budget amendment. All they didn't get was to put it off for six months and no entitlement cuts (yet).
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 10:26:41 GMT -5
All they got were small cuts along with a non-binding promise for larger cuts in the future. The key point is that this is non-binding. It can be overturned with a vote. These "cuts" will likely never happen.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 10:55:56 GMT -5
National Tea Party leaders in California were thrilled about one by-product of the political bloodbath over raising the federal debt ceiling: The fight showed that after two years of rabble-rousing from outside the Capitol, the Tea Party has real power to shape the debate in Washington.
Their challenge now that President Obama has signed the debt limit law: Can the Tea Party transform its government-shrinking mantra into long-term power, or will it be a one-hit wonder? If this deal thrills the NTP leaders in CA, I'd say they're already done. Congress and TP Leaders are patting themselves on the back for pouring a cup of water on a raging house fire. This deal is crap. bingo. this issue was going to come up with or without the Tea Party. many of the coalition were saying that they would never raise the debt ceiling again. instead, they didn't even get a 1:1 deal on debt for spending cuts.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 3, 2011 10:57:07 GMT -5
All they got were small cuts along with a non-binding promise for larger cuts in the future. The key point is that this is non-binding. It can be overturned with a vote. These "cuts" will likely never happen. i think they will. however, it will be mostly wallpaper. ie- the "cuts" were stuff that would likely be cut in a GOOD economy.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 3, 2011 11:01:37 GMT -5
In my opinion, the deal is absolute garbage. It is so because the infighting and political posing resulted in deadlock and, ultimately, led to what deadlock always leads to ... nothing worthwhile getting done. It doesn't matter one iota which side of the issue you're supporting (or berating), the fact is: everyone lost.
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Post by rockon on Aug 3, 2011 11:08:40 GMT -5
It simple proves that the reason our country is in trouble is because so many voters continue to believe and vote for their perspective party and the numb skulls who have been bankrupting our country. If you want change get out of your box and vote for real change.
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Post by deziloooooo on Aug 3, 2011 13:15:31 GMT -5
I had to do some shopping today and as I was driving, no radio on , just safely driving and looking around, I noticed some things..
We have these canals in South Florida, verty important, many times they are over grown with weeds and growth but I was passing clean canals straight as a arrow as far as one can see, hugh control pipes running from one side of the road at the end of them to the other side, s with hugh valves that do something, no idea what, and I noticed a car pulled over, two fire trucks and police there, no idea the problem, but no weapons out so must have been a non violent problem. The roads were litter free, no trash in sight and the esplanades between the traffic flows, all neatly cut , trimmed , well maintained, trees trimmed back..and realized, these are things I don't think about, don't worry why they are what they are, realize these are things that some one has to be in charge of and to do so they have to be paid for, and I guess I am paying for them, and guess what, I want them to continue. I don't want to have to think about them being done or not done. I like the streets litter free, the canals free and clear, the grass cut and if needed the cops and fire available when needed..
There will be expendatures made and thats fine by me..way I want to live my life out..i see nothing wrong with this happening , in fact will be very p off if it is stopped.
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Post by floridayankee on Aug 3, 2011 13:22:34 GMT -5
There will be expendatures made and thats fine by me..way I want to live my life out..i see nothing wrong with this happening , in fact will be very p off if it is stopped. Makes sense. But why do you still refuse to buy the higher taxed local gas that helps make that all possible? You want all the goodies but don't want to pay the price for it?
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Post by Angel! on Aug 3, 2011 14:06:22 GMT -5
dezi. Taxes aren't all evil & bad like some people make them out to be. The only question is what level of taxation is appropriate & what should the govt really be involved in running. You can't run a functioning country without taxes, despite what it seems the tea party wants. You also can't run a country with everyone on social programs. You have to find something in the middle that works.
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