Is The Tea Party A One Hit Wonder????

[Angel!]

Aug 4, 2011 13:40:00 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Angel we pay 413 billion in interest currently nothing toward the principal. And the principal is growing. We just borrowed a couple trillion more. These big numbers are hard to wrap ones head around me especially.

I am not questioning that. I am merely pointing out that if the govt paid nothing but our debt & interest on our debt (as you said was analyzed in the video), then ~500 billion would go towards interest & 1.5 trillion would go towards the principal.

In what fairyland does paying down 14 trillion in debt at a rate of 1.5 trillion/yr take 389 years?

I come up with less than 10 yrs & that is not even taking into account the interest payment will be less each year.

[deziloooooo]

On second thought..delete

[privateinvestor]

Is The Tea Party A One Hit Wonder

I have been doing some research into the Tea Party and reading what the Tea Party members in Congress have been saying lately...so with that said I do NOT think they are a one hit wonder but are growing in power and influence and could be a force to be reckoned with in the Presidential Elections in 2012...currently they are trying to push their agenda in congress but should they turn their sights on Obama in 2012 they could make a difference if they get the funding and support needed to get out their messages..

But I will yield the floor to anyone here who is involved in the Tea Party since I am NOT yet...

[deziloooooo]

Aug 4, 2011 6:40:53 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Aug 3, 2011 15:48:11 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

why are you wasting everyones time by putting up stupids instead of topics that make sense..oh, wait, I know, I forgot , I am having a back and forth with 'Florida " and anything to get off topic, change the discussion, and get others involved in non sensecal back and forths fits his agenda.

My agenda is to call bullshit when I smell it. So, if it's stupid, blame yourself. You yourself said you shop for your gas outside your area whenever you can to avoid paying a higher tax.

Does it hurt that much to admit it when you're being hypocritical?

No Florida I didn't say that..I said , a few times now, [surprised how interested some are in my gas shopping habits..]

I said I worked in a town that had gas prices quite a bit higher then the Town I lived in, which was about 20 minutes South of the town I worked in, so I tried where ever possible, after realizing the difference , so much, that I would fill up in MY town..

If I lived in the Town I worked in and rarly left it, no I possible would not have spent time traveling 20 minutes to another area to find a cheaper price, that to me in time and effort as well as gas expendatures and wear and tear of the automobile would have been silly, in fact just as silly to not be aware and make sure I could save possible a few hundred dollers a year, figure two fill ups a week, by being aware of the difference and in my normal driving habits making sure I filled up in my own locale.

Actually , people do shop prices on items , food as well as gas and other items..my Mom would drive me nuts because when I visited her, often , I would drive her to market and she had certain markets for certain food stuffs..where as , for the difference, I would probaly have done most of my shopping in one local.., as I do know.

Actually for Mom, that was her thing and I only wish she was still with me so I could give her the fish eye as she told me ok , N--- , now lets go to Publicks and after that we'll go to Winn Dixie and we are then through.....till next week. ;D

Sorry if my gas shopping habit was such a problem for you, really surprised you would take such a interest...why??

[djAdvocate]

Aug 4, 2011 13:08:11 GMT -5 handyman2 said:

Angel I don't know for sure I watched the video and they explained much of it. But do not forget that the 14.5 trillion does not include the daily interest. That comes on top of it. Also there is no way that we could spend all of our tax revenues toward the debt. Lets say you buy a house for $400,000.00 at 3.5% interest for thirty years. You are not paying $400,000.00 you will have invested a lot more. Today we are not paying anything to reduce the debt. We are simply paying interest. The premise that we are in a current phase of reducing the actual debt is not correct.
This is why we are in hot soup.

if you are going to assume that we will never reduce the debt, it will literally take forever to pay it off, by definition. forever is a lot longer than 389 years. and 7 is a lot less. so either way, the calculation is way off.

[magichat]

Dezi how do you keep the moderators off you back after calling another poster stupid? It's really incredible to me.

[deziloooooo]

Aug 5, 2011 8:59:06 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Dezi how do you keep the moderators off you back after calling another poster stupid? It's really incredible to me.

If you mean this.."putting up stupids ", I believe the remark was referring to the post and also why I felt so..just a stirring of the pot, and seemed to have been picked up as such... You aren't trying to , see if , poke a few into the mix are you?

If so, why? better think is my feelings.

[magichat]

Not at all, just wanted to follow in your footsteps so I too could have immunity to do whatever the hell I like. Considering FY was slapped for continuining the discussion and you haven't garnered even a comment even though you still continue the bullshit.

[deziloooooo]

Aug 5, 2011 13:19:57 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Not at all, just wanted to follow in your footsteps so I too could have immunity to do whatever the hell I like. Considering FY was slapped for continuining the discussion and you haven't garnered even a comment even though you still continue the bullshit.

seems the BS is yours..I was just answering it, is it to hard to take responsibility for your own actions or do you have to put it on some one else?

[magichat]

Aug 5, 2011 14:08:08 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

Aug 5, 2011 13:19:57 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Not at all, just wanted to follow in your footsteps so I too could have immunity to do whatever the hell I like. Considering FY was slapped for continuining the discussion and you haven't garnered even a comment even though you still continue the bullshit.

seems the BS is yours..I was just answering it, is it to hard to take responsibility for your own actions or do you have to put it on some one else?

And there you go again, defleting from questions. I am being open and honest that I want to follow in your footsteps and you are being an ass to me instead. Why?

[privateinvestor]

Aug 5, 2011 14:17:02 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

the tea party will disappear if they start pushing social conservatism. Pushing fiscal conservatism is something most Americans believe. They will also disappear if they start acting like normal republicans and just talk a good game and do nothing more. Like paul said, their were no cuts made.

News Flash the Tea Party has been pushing social conservatism especially out here on the Left Coast. They are becoming a thorn in the side of the Progressives in San Francisco and Sacramento CA and are becoming a threat to their liberal social agendas.

And the Tea Party has been going up against Act-Up, Code Pink and GLAAD over gay marriages which has made them very popular with Social Conservatives..
Pelosi and her attack dogs have the Tea Party in their sights and are blasting them every chance they have..

[shelby]

Aug 4, 2011 16:00:03 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Is The Tea Party A One Hit Wonder

I have been doing some research into the Tea Party and reading what the Tea Party members in Congress have been saying lately...so with that said I do NOT think they are a one hit wonder but are growing in power and influence and could be a force to be reckoned with in the Presidential Elections in 2012...currently they are trying to push their agenda in congress but should they turn their sights on Obama in 2012 they could make a difference if they get the funding and support needed to get out their messages..

But I will yield the floor to anyone here who is involved in the Tea Party since I am NOT yet...

Are you saying this because you believe in their message or because you think a majority including moderates will embrace their message? I am inclined to say they have been too far right for the majority of voters to take seriously and have acted in devisive non compromising ways not to mention the extreme social conservatism that people are turned off by.

[bubblyandblue]

If you support the tea party you are supporting the agenda of the Koch Brothers and, they have no interest in the common man.

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 14:42:04 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

That will lose them lots of followers. Pushing freedom works. Pushing big govt and govt rules doesnt.

I agree. They need to table the social agenda. Let's get the economy going...let's get the debt paid off...screw the social engineering and stay the hell out of people's personal lives.

[privateinvestor]

Aug 5, 2011 14:48:00 GMT -5 shelby said:

Aug 4, 2011 16:00:03 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Is The Tea Party A One Hit Wonder

I have been doing some research into the Tea Party and reading what the Tea Party members in Congress have been saying lately...so with that said I do NOT think they are a one hit wonder but are growing in power and influence and could be a force to be reckoned with in the Presidential Elections in 2012...currently they are trying to push their agenda in congress but should they turn their sights on Obama in 2012 they could make a difference if they get the funding and support needed to get out their messages..

But I will yield the floor to anyone here who is involved in the Tea Party since I am NOT yet...

Are you saying this because you believe in their message or because you think a majority including moderates will embrace their message? I am inclined to say they have been too far right for the majority of voters to take seriously and have acted in divisive non compromising ways not to mention the extreme social conservatism that people are turned off by.

I am not a Tea Party member but have noticed they have been in the news lately out here in Northern California where they held meetings in Sacramento CA to discuss Obamacare, Debt Reduction, Property Taxes, and other mainstream issues.... The local TV News stations are beginning to cover the NCTP and of course they have their representatives on Fox News quite often...

And any group that takes on Code Pink, GLAAD and Act Up is OK in my view

[diamonds]

Aug 5, 2011 13:19:57 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Not at all, just wanted to follow in your footsteps so I too could have immunity to do whatever the hell I like. Considering FY was slapped for continuining the discussion and you haven't garnered even a comment even though you still continue the bullshit.

.... Amen!

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 14:53:34 GMT -5 @bubblyandblue said:

If you support the tea party you are supporting the agenda of the Koch Brothers and, they have no interest in the common man.

oooo...more right wing conspiracy....juicy!

Anything to add to the discussion other than liberal talking points?

[floridayankee]

Aug 5, 2011 14:57:11 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

Aug 5, 2011 14:53:34 GMT -5 @bubblyandblue said:

If you support the tea party you are supporting the agenda of the Koch Brothers and, they have no interest in the common man.

The Koch brothers support Reason.org. They support small govt. Trying to make them into boogeymen is silly. Ted Turner probably spends equally on his political ideals. (just a guess, I dont know).

People seem to forget that both sides have "evil" rich people throwing lots of dough at the parties.

[privateinvestor]

Aug 5, 2011 14:57:49 GMT -5 floridayankee said:

Aug 5, 2011 14:53:34 GMT -5 @bubblyandblue said:

If you support the tea party you are supporting the agenda of the Koch Brothers and, they have no interest in the common man.

oooo...more right wing conspiracy....juicy!

Anything to add to the discussion other than liberal talking points?

If you mean by support to donate money to the Tea Party then my answer is NO but I would guess many conservatives both Dems and Repubs are beginning to take some of the Tea Party ideas more seriously lately....they have been labeled as "Terrorists" "Right Wing Nut Jobs" and etc so they must be a threat to some Liberals who use those labels to attack them and their messages..

Rand Paul and Jim Demint are Tea Party supporters and their ideas are not that far out of the mainstream ie reduce the size of government and reduce taxes to speed up hiring..

[bubblyandblue]

Well not so much than liberal talking points. My personal take on the tea party is - they are a bunch of folks who don't take the time to become informed about their cause. They act as if they know what ails the country but refuse to take the time for further analysis. They are very gulable and like simple ideas as more complex thought would destroy the .. IMO fantasy world in which they live. They need to prop eachother up with there idiology - no matter how twisted it is. They are like a gang in that they need to pretend to be on to something when they are only acting like puppets on a string. Half baked potatoes, sour milk and poison summac tea.
Not sure how to link but some 'liberal talking points" below
www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/08/koch-brothers-lobbying
www.iwatchnews.org/2011/04/06/3936/kochs-web-influence?utm_source=publicintegrity&utm_medium=social_media&utm_campaign=twitter

[steff]

I'll never forget when I was going to a concert one night and we were on the Marta train (Public/socialist transportation).... there was a Tea Party gathering the same day near where the concert was at. The Marta train had several folks with Tea Party signs. The friend I was with & I asked one of them if they realized they were taking public (socialist) transportation to the gathering.... they just stared blankly without a clue....

it was definately worth a chuckle or three.....

[magichat]

So instead of bashing the tea party ideas you bash the people, nice and classy.

[deziloooooo]

Aug 5, 2011 14:10:57 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Aug 5, 2011 14:08:08 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

seems the BS is yours..I was just answering it, is it to hard to take responsibility for your own actions or do you have to put it on some one else?

And there you go again, defleting from questions. I am being open and honest that I want to follow in your footsteps and you are being an ass to me instead. Why?

I am with drawing from the conversation, believe you are just , yet if you want to continue..then PM me with your comments...be glad to answer if in good taste..but publickly here, on this one of yours... ok?

[magichat]

Aug 5, 2011 15:19:12 GMT -5 steff said:

I'll never forget when I was going to a concert one night and we were on the Marta train (Public/socialist transportation).... there was a Tea Party gathering the same day near where the concert was at. The Marta train had several folks with Tea Party signs. The friend I was with & I asked one of them if they realized they were taking public (socialist) transportation to the gathering.... they just stared blankly without a clue....

it was definately worth a chuckle or three.....

Again bashing the people instead of the ideals. What the hell is wrong with you?

[shelby]

Aug 5, 2011 14:54:54 GMT -5 @horatiolegrand said:

Are you saying this because you believe in their message or because you think a majority including moderates will embrace their message? I am inclined to say they have been too far right for the majority of voters to take seriously and have acted in devisive non compromising ways not to mention the extreme social conservatism that people are turned off by.

I never understand the 'compromise' comments. The debt argument was them saying they want big cuts and the mainstream Republicans and Democrats saying they wanted smaller cuts. The mainstream Repubs and Dems have had it their way for decades. A good compromise would be to try something different for few years, maybe.

I agree that the social conservatism will hurt them if they start pushing it, but I dont see that happening now. Can you point me to some article where they (as a whole and not just some isolated politician) are pushing that? I think this is a scare tactic. Taking some minor belief of the tea party and emphasizing it. Most Americans are for smaller govt. They get scared away from it from the two big parties who use fear and divisiveness.

A compromise is not getting everything you want even though those in both parties wanted smaller cuts i don't understand how you can say that is compromise with a straight face. compromise would be maybe sticking to their guns a=on large cuts and maybe giving into some revenue requests but they would not budge...not compromise.

Many of the tea party reps have been pushing hard on social issues I could find lots and lots of articles if you like. both parties are using fear and diviseveness yes but the tea party seems to wreak of it. It seems the party has brought out an ugly previously hidden side of some people, deny the racist and xenophobe ideas they protray and many members believe but it is there clear as day.

[bubblyandblue]

I believe the Tea Party believes the following statement... even though the idea has not been developed and IMO will only make things far worse and more expensive down the road.
"Rand Paul and Jim Demint are Tea Party supporters and their ideas are not that far out of the mainstream ie reduce the size of government and reduce taxes to speed up hiring.."

Reducing taxes has not shown to do anything for hiring (bush tax cuts). Deregulation (if thats what you mean by Government) has been shown to be critically destructive to our economy - speculation and fraud run rampant.
If you mean Government in the services we get from our tax dollars .....Then I can only assume that you would prefer to kneecap the USA and raise the cost of living and doing business in this country. Infrustructure, research, military etc. are not meant to be for profit - they are designed to lower the cost of doing business and living in our country -- setting the groundwork - it is what made our country great those public works projects.

[privateinvestor]

WASHINGTON—The tea party is here to stay. The 2-year-old phenomenon's muscular role in the debt-ceiling crisis made that clear, despite earlier predictions it would fade away when the national furor over health care cooled down.
Now the GOP establishment wonders if the grass-roots movement will power Republicans to new victories in 2012, or dash them on the rocks of unbending ideology.

One thing is obvious: The tea party already is reshaping the Republican Party. Once-moderate lawmakers are shifting sharply right, fearing primary challenges more than Democratic opponents. And most GOP presidential contenders have positioned themselves to the right of party leaders, and even some House tea partyers, on the debt-ceiling issue.

The movement's influence on the GOP remains double-edged. Tea partyers' adamant opposition to tax hikes helped Republican Party regulars force President Barack Obama to surrender his push for new taxes on the rich. But House tea partyers also embarrassed Speaker John Boehner by forcing him to hastily revise his debt-ceiling bill.

To secure their votes, Boehner added a balanced-budget provision that had no hope of becoming law, and which drew ridicule from some quarters. A weakened requirement that the House and Senate only vote on—not necessarily pass—a balanced budget amendment before the end of the year survived in the final product.

With the tea party about to play its first role in a presidential election, mainstream Republicans hope to harness its energy in campaigns nationwide, as they did in 2010. The trick is to do it while avoiding the damage of that year, when tea partyers cost the GOP likely Senate pickups by nominating out-of-the-mainstream conservatives in Delaware, Nevada and Colorado.
The lesson, party insiders say, is not for the tea party to dampen its fire. Rather, they say, Republican candidates must understand its power. Shame on those who get blindsided this time.

The tea party is "driving the conversation," said Republican consultant Danny Diaz. "The president, Congress, Democrats, Republicans are all talking about austerity, restraint, the spending crisis. That's not going to change."

Asked if another tea party insurgent might cost Republicans a likely Senate win, as Christine O'Donnell did last year in Delaware, Diaz put the onus on the party's candidates. "If you are seeking office in this environment," he said, "it would behoove you to discuss the out-of-control spending that's taking place in Washington."

Another Republican consultant, Brian Nick, agreed. "A candidate has got to figure out a way to get through a primary," he said, and it's unfair to make scapegoats of tea partyers.

Veteran elected Republicans with mainstream conservative histories have gotten the message. Some are virtually reinventing themselves as tea partyers.

In Utah, already-conservative Sen. Orrin Hatch has veered so hard to the right that it's a constant topic of conversation, and sometimes amusement, in state political circles. Still, many wonder if he can survive if two-term Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a tea party favorite, decides to challenge him.

In New Mexico, former five-term Rep. Heather Wilson built a reputation as a GOP centrist, willing to buck her party's leaders and support raising the minimum wage and expanding children's health insurance. In 2008, she lost a Senate primary to a more conservative Republican.

Now, running for Senate again, Wilson has pledged to oppose raising the nation's debt ceiling unless Congress passes a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. That requires a two-thirds majority in both chambers, which lawmakers in both parties say is politically impossible.

Virginia Republican George Allen, who is trying to regain the Senate seat he lost in 2006, has taken a similar stand, even though he voted four times to raise the debt ceiling while in office.

Many congressional Republicans support the balanced-budget amendment. In the end, however, a solid majority of them, including most members of the House tea party caucus, voted for the bipartisan debt-limit deal that dropped a demand that the amendment first win passage and be sent to the states for ratification.

The big unknown is the tea party movement's influence on the presidential race. Some political professionals think tea partyers already are pushing GOP candidates so far right that the eventual nominee might struggle to pick up independent voters in the general election against Obama. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney appeared unenthusiastic when announcing his opposition to the debt-ceiling compromise that Congress enacted with solid GOP support in both chambers.

Jon Huntsman, the only presidential hopeful to support the measure, said Romney did not show leadership.

The tea party's influence on the GOP "will come with heavy baggage in independent-leaning states like Maine or even Indiana," said Nate Daschle, a Democratic activist whose father was Senate majority leader. That could apply to Senate races in those states, where incumbent Republicans face tea party challengers for the nomination, and to the presidential race, he said. Obama won Indiana narrowly, and Maine handily, in 2008.

Independent voters skip most primaries but play big roles in general elections. They want "progress over rigid ideology," Daschle said.

If tea party voters dominate GOP primaries, they can nominate unorthodox candidates such as Delaware's O'Donnell.

"The tea party didn't happen by accident and it wasn't contrived," Daschle said. "It's one of the purest and most organic movements in politics today, and while it may endanger its parent party, this is exactly the way the system was designed."

A recent Pew Research/Washington Post poll suggests that Republicans did themselves few favors in the debt-ceiling struggle. About four in 10 Americans said they had a less favorable view of congressional Republicans because of the negotiations, while three in 10 said their opinion of Democrats in Congress faded. People who now have a dimmer view of tea party-affiliated lawmakers, because of the debt issue, outnumber those with a more positive view.

A CBS News/New York Times poll this week shows that only 20 percent of Americans and 41 percent of Republicans have a favorable view of the tea party, down from 26 percent and 59 percent, respectively, in April. Just 18 percent of Americans now view themselves as tea party supporters, compared with 31 percent who did immediately after the November 2010 elections.

Texas Tech University political scientist Tim Nokken warns against overstating the tea party's influence. "I'm not sure the GOP is going to march lock-step with the tea party," he said in an email.

The movement may have its biggest impact on Republican House members eager to avoid a primary threat from the right, he said. These lawmakers may act "not so much out of agreement with the tea party agenda, but as a means to reduce the likelihood of a primary challenge," Nokken said.

Either way, the tea party is leaving a big mark on the GOP. And the limits of its influence are not yet clear.

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Associated Press reporters Josh Loftin in Salt Lake City, and Kevin Freking, Henry C. Jackson and Deputy Polling Director Jennifer Agiesta in Washington contributed to this report.







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[privateinvestor]

Either way, the tea party is leaving a big mark on the GOP. And the limits of its influence are not yet clear. am

I think one could also say the tea party is leaving a big mark on the Dems as well as the GOP....and they are not happy campers judging by what they have to say about the tea party...so guess what the dems have to deal with it, I guess.. ;D

[shelby]

"And any group that takes on Code Pink, GLAAD and Act Up is OK in my view "

I thought the tea party was not about social conservatism which is it?

are you really that afraid of gay people and where does it come from?

[privateinvestor]

Aug 5, 2011 15:36:46 GMT -5 shelby said:

"And any group that takes on Code Pink, GLAAD and Act Up is OK in my view "

I thought the tea party was not about social conservatism which is it?

are you really that afraid of gay people and where does it come from?

What are you trying to say??? You need to read more about the tea party and learn what they are all about IMHO

www.nctpp.net/