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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 13:53:54 GMT -5
The problem in California is the jails are over crowded with drug arrests so the state is letting a lot of drug dealers and uses go free which has seen an increase in crime in the South Bay of San Francisco CA....we have more strong armed robberies and home break ins lately by the newly released drug parolees....so again will legalizing marijuana help or hinder the crime rates?? I have no idea and don't think anyone has but would like to see it if available You know how many different drugs there are out there, you use the word "drug" and then frame it as it only pertains to marijuana. I would like to see the statistics that show that the people released smoked marijuana only, without dealing or doing any other drugs. Or if those people released had any other misdemeanor charges. Then do some research and share with us the results of your research on this issue
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 13:57:46 GMT -5
Yes, dj, it does. I'm not a user, and don't wish, or need to be. However, if I suffered from chronic pain, or chronic nausea/vomiting, I'd certainly consider that alternative before considering many of those offered through pharmaceuticals. I cannot for the life of me understand why people don't get this! You've got to be kidding. me! I was prescribed 2 Vicoden every 4 hours after back surgery. I laced them with xanax and a sleeping pill. It got to the point I would wake up every hour sweating. A year later I ended up in emergency and the doctors told my friend if I didn't stop, I would die. I couldn't stop and had to do it in detox. I have had many horrible experiences with prescriptions since and have flushed them. I don't seem to remember Elivs, MJ or Anna Nicole dying from smoking marijuana. When taken in abundence your liver cannot process all of these drugs and you will have future problems, eventually heart failure. As they say, I guess one has to experience the use of narcotics to realize the reality of the side-effects and the consequences before popping that pill for relief.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 14:12:43 GMT -5
Do doctors really look at the side effects and remember your history? A big No! They just take out that little prescription pad, rush you through and then when you get it, you have an insert with all the dire side effects. The pharmacist seems to be more on the ball as they have your past meds on the computer and tell you what meds react to even OTC meds. Please, it is nothing but a doctor/ big pharmacy kickback.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 14:14:34 GMT -5
Yes, dj, it does. I'm not a user, and don't wish, or need to be. However, if I suffered from chronic pain, or chronic nausea/vomiting, I'd certainly consider that alternative before considering many of those offered through pharmaceuticals. I cannot for the life of me understand why people don't get this! You've got to be kidding. me! I was prescribed 2 Vicoden every 4 hours after back surgery. I laced them with xanax and a sleeping pill. It got to the point I would wake up every hour sweating. A year later I ended up in emergency and the doctors told my friend if I didn't stop, I would die. I couldn't stop and had to do it in detox. I have had many horrible experiences with prescriptions since and have flushed them. I don't seem to remember Elivs, MJ or Anna Nicole dying from smoking marijuana. When taken in abundence your liver cannot process all of these drugs and you will have future problems, eventually heart failure. As they say, I guess one has to experience the use of narcotics to realize the reality of the side-effects and the consequences before popping that pill for relief. Which is precisely why I said I'd much rather use the natural substance (cannibis) than pharmaceuticals. I've seen a lot of people who have experienced what you experienced. While I'll admit, they usually did exactly what you did and added medications they shouldn't have been adding along with the narcotic, or they misused the narcotic by taking more than was prescribed. Still, I've never known anyone who had to go through detox for marijuana use.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 14:30:21 GMT -5
The problem in California is the jails are over crowded with drug arrests so the state is letting a lot of drug dealers and uses go free which has seen an increase in crime in the South Bay of San Francisco CA....we have more strong armed robberies and home break ins lately by the newly released drug parolees....so again will legalizing marijuana help or hinder the crime rates?? I have no idea and don't think anyone has but would like to see it if available if pot is legal, then there is, by definition, no pot crime. i would presume crime rates would fall, given that 1/8th of all inmates in prison are there on pot offenses. but in addition, the higher crime rates are directly correlated to rising unemployment, which continues to plague the state. get these people working, and crime rates will drop, as well.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 14:31:28 GMT -5
Yes, dj, it does. I'm not a user, and don't wish, or need to be. However, if I suffered from chronic pain, or chronic nausea/vomiting, I'd certainly consider that alternative before considering many of those offered through pharmaceuticals. I cannot for the life of me understand why people don't get this! You've got to be kidding. me! I was prescribed 2 Vicoden every 4 hours after back surgery. I laced them with xanax and a sleeping pill. It got to the point I would wake up every hour sweating. A year later I ended up in emergency and the doctors told my friend if I didn't stop, I would die. I couldn't stop and had to do it in detox. I have had many horrible experiences with prescriptions since and have flushed them. I don't seem to remember Elivs, MJ or Anna Nicole dying from smoking marijuana. When taken in abundence your liver cannot process all of these drugs and you will have future problems, eventually heart failure. As they say, I guess one has to experience the use of narcotics to realize the reality of the side-effects and the consequences before popping that pill for relief. i am not following you. are you advocating for or against legal pot?
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 14:32:38 GMT -5
You know how many different drugs there are out there, you use the word "drug" and then frame it as it only pertains to marijuana. I would like to see the statistics that show that the people released smoked marijuana only, without dealing or doing any other drugs. Or if those people released had any other misdemeanor charges. Then do some research and share with us the results of your research on this issue They just recently started the process of releasing these prisoner types. I did look, but could not find anything. I also think that it might be a little hard to find information on arrest made to the inmates just release. Do you have any reference as to where the ones just released that you mentioned created crimes? I could be chasing a ghost if your information on the parolees just released creating more crime is false.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 14:47:35 GMT -5
You've got to be kidding. me! I was prescribed 2 Vicoden every 4 hours after back surgery. I laced them with xanax and a sleeping pill. It got to the point I would wake up every hour sweating. A year later I ended up in emergency and the doctors told my friend if I didn't stop, I would die. I couldn't stop and had to do it in detox. I have had many horrible experiences with prescriptions since and have flushed them. I don't seem to remember Elivs, MJ or Anna Nicole dying from smoking marijuana. When taken in abundence your liver cannot process all of these drugs and you will have future problems, eventually heart failure. As they say, I guess one has to experience the use of narcotics to realize the reality of the side-effects and the consequences before popping that pill for relief. Which is precisely why I said I'd much rather use the natural substance (cannibis) than pharmaceuticals. I've seen a lot of people who have experienced what you experienced. While I'll admit, they usually did exactly what you did and added medications they shouldn't have been adding along with the narcotic, or they misused the narcotic by taking more than was prescribed. Still, I've never known anyone who had to go through detox for marijuana use. And you won't mmhmm, weed is not addictive. The only reason anybody would say somebody is a weed addict is because they made it habitual. The same thing can go for pepsi, coffee, candy bars ect; basically anything you mentally think you need but have no chemical like nicotine causing the need. The pharmceutical part that you 2 are talking about are the reasons I don't take aspirin . I have been sick once in the last 5 years and that was with tonsilitis. The doctor told me I would have to remove them and proceeded to prescribe me pain pills and antibiotics I was like no thanks even though I think antibiotics are good with infections. Here I am almost 1 year later with no tonsil problems .
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 14:48:29 GMT -5
Talking to me dj? I am for making it legal. I can't think of any reason it shouldn't, as long as you don't drive while using.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 14:56:23 GMT -5
I'm surprised a doctor in this day and age would recommend removal of tonsils that quickly, reason. There's really no need to do so in most cases. Sometimes, the infection will clear on its own, as yours did; however, antibiotics will take care of the problem if it persists. Don't often see tonsillectomies these days for that reason. I'm a nurse practitioner, so I do prescribe medications when necessary. I don't, however, like to do so when there are other alternatives.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 14:57:48 GMT -5
Coffee is addictive, so why not take that off the market too? Aspirin can cause stomach bleeding and rectal bleeding. The kids around her make their own meth-amphetamines. Please, as you have seen with Casey searching how to make cholorform, it's all on the internet.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 14:58:51 GMT -5
You've got to be kidding. me! I was prescribed 2 Vicoden every 4 hours after back surgery. I laced them with xanax and a sleeping pill. It got to the point I would wake up every hour sweating. A year later I ended up in emergency and the doctors told my friend if I didn't stop, I would die. I couldn't stop and had to do it in detox. I have had many horrible experiences with prescriptions since and have flushed them. I don't seem to remember Elivs, MJ or Anna Nicole dying from smoking marijuana. When taken in abundence your liver cannot process all of these drugs and you will have future problems, eventually heart failure. As they say, I guess one has to experience the use of narcotics to realize the reality of the side-effects and the consequences before popping that pill for relief. i am not following you. are you advocating for or against legal pot? I'd like to see it legalized for those who need it, dj (medical use). I don't like the idea that cigarettes and alcohol are readily available, but they are ... and both are more damaging than marijuana. For that reason, I wouldn't throw a hissy fit if marijuana were to be de-criminalized across the board.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 15:05:01 GMT -5
i am not following you. are you advocating for or against legal pot? I'd like to see it legalized for those who need it, dj (medical use). I don't like the idea that cigarettes and alcohol are readily available, but they are ... and both are more damaging than marijuana. For that reason, I wouldn't throw a hissy fit if marijuana were to be de-criminalized across the board. i would like to see that too, obviously. i am wondering what DIAMONDS was saying tho. on the one hand, she is complaining about prescription drugs, which are indeed addictive, expensive, and with nasty side effects. but from MY perspective, that is making a case FOR medical pot, which has no such problems, ideally.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 15:06:06 GMT -5
My neighbor is a methadone user. I fear for her safety as I have witnessed her out of control. Her doctor just keeps giving it to her going on 10 years now.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 15:07:28 GMT -5
Talking to me dj? I am for making it legal. I can't think of any reason it shouldn't, as long as you don't drive while using. yeah (and sorry i missed this post), i agree. driving impaired has nothing to do with pot, tho. you can be impaired by lack of sleep, alcohol, or any other number of things. iow, they are separate issues. driving a car impaired compromises the safety of non consenting OTHERS. it should therefore be illegal no matter what the source of impairment.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 15:12:18 GMT -5
dj: Sure, and texting has caused deadly accidents while driving also. If only people would "think" before they get behind the wheel!
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 15:15:37 GMT -5
dj: Sure, and texting has caused deadly accidents while driving also. If only people would "think" before they get behind the wheel! People thinking? ?
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Jul 11, 2011 15:19:03 GMT -5
Pot has been so engineered and hybridized over the past few years I'm not sure it should be called "natural" any longer. However, I'm in big favor of legalization with the same restrictions on it as alcohol. Putting it into the same category as heroin is just plain stupid.
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Post by diamonds on Jul 11, 2011 15:25:23 GMT -5
dj: Sure, and texting has caused deadly accidents while driving also. If only people would "think" before they get behind the wheel! People thinking? ? LOL, k to you...
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 11, 2011 15:32:29 GMT -5
MDW, I doubt we'll see much concern raised about 'Frankenbud' from the usual suspects (except for concerns about shortages).
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Post by billisonboard on Jul 11, 2011 15:46:52 GMT -5
... Pot has been so engineered and hybridized over the past few years I'm not sure it should be called "natural" any longer. ... We had what we referred to as "Idaho Dirt Grass" during my high school daze. Although we complained about it, it was great. We would sit around all evening, passing the pipe, and getting a pleasant little buzz. On occasion we would get some truly rightous shit, get totally wasted, and it would ruin the social interaction. I think that commerically marketed pot could have some great variety just like alcohol has.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 17:21:25 GMT -5
Pot has been so engineered and hybridized over the past few years I'm not sure it should be called "natural" any longer. However, I'm in big favor of legalization with the same restrictions on it as alcohol. Putting it into the same category as heroin is just plain stupid. that is precisely where i stand. i don't want my 11YO sitting around the house stoned all day, but any adult should be able to do so if he or she damn well pleases (and can afford it).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 19:52:06 GMT -5
Oh i think there would still be a lot of pot to tax. Its kind of like making my own wine... we do it... but its not exactly prime stuff.... ... I'd much rather buy the good stuff...
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 22:00:45 GMT -5
Oh i think there would still be a lot of pot to tax. Its kind of like making my own wine... we do it... but its not exactly prime stuff.... ... I'd much rather buy the good stuff... can you imagine how good it would get? i can't. mindblowing, i am thinking.
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