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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 10, 2011 14:37:51 GMT -5
Can't go too far with that reasoning. There was a time when at least 40% of Americans thought slavery was OK. Plus, it doesn't account for some of the 40% who once tried pot, but now think it should be illegal. Personally, I prefer the line of thought posted by lonewolf. And like Steff, I don't see what all the hubbub is about. Pot has become a 'who cares, it's inevitable' issue IMO, except for an increasingly small number of intense opponents. The pendulum has swung too far to return to the times of Anslinger, which resulted in life sentences for possession in some states. Joe Banker not withstanding. i also agree with lonewolf. said so earlier this thread. i just think it is silly to criminalize an activity in which 40% of our citizenry has partaken. I think maybe it is question of abuse ...much like alcohol consumption when used in excess it could be a problem..so why doesn't this same idea apply to smoking marijuana..?? And you have the problem with kids binge drinking and smoking to get completely stoned....is that not a similar comparison.. so maybe the old adage everything in moderation may apply, I guess/
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 10, 2011 14:47:26 GMT -5
So, PI. Just how far should government go to force us all into behaviors that some have decided are best for us, no matter what we want? And how does that fit in with your opinion on how large and intrusive government should be? Just sayin'.
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 10, 2011 14:51:04 GMT -5
What the hell. Karma for dj. Just because he won't give a shit.
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Post by steff on Jul 10, 2011 14:57:59 GMT -5
The old folks seemed to have bought into the movie Reefer Maddness hook, line and sinker. Without realizing that alcohol is a more common gateway drug than pot ever is. In fact, many parents gave their teen their first beer with a wink and "don't tell mom".
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 10, 2011 15:11:48 GMT -5
So, PI. Just how far should government go to force us all into behaviors that some have decided are best for us, no matter what we want? And how does that fit in with your opinion on how large and intrusive government should be? Just sayin'. I haven't a clue but they are going to put some horrific warnings on cigarette packs as you know.. Btw we may lead on marijuana out here on the left coast..there is a bill in the Sacramento legislature that will legalize marijuana for the general public.. but it has to be approved and that hasn't happened but I understand it has @ a 50/50 chance of passing unless something comes along to shoot the bill through of holes..
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 10, 2011 15:17:06 GMT -5
Oh, I think you have a clue all right.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 10, 2011 15:36:08 GMT -5
Oh, I think you have a clue all right. Not really but I am not sure if legalizing pot is a good thing or not and something I have't really thought about that much.. I prefer to keep Hope alive with the USA Women's Soccer team they just beat Brazil..
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 10, 2011 16:32:31 GMT -5
Ooooh! Shiny!
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Post by diamonds on Jul 10, 2011 17:09:33 GMT -5
Two things on some of the researchy things posted. 1) there is always some impact of a drug. If you note though, the amounts and effects make canibus comparable to alcohol , not heroin and opium with which it is classified. 2) there will always be correlation between alcohol/ similar drugs .... And psychosis...because people with those problems frequently choose to self medicate 3) when you look at self meding with canibus... It actually has a lot less... And less harsh... Impact than what pharma is currently pushing. Exactly!!! I have had many pain medications due to prior back surgeries and the side effects of the opiates were extremely addictive and impossible to break without going to detox. A lot of the meds that were approved by the FDA were all of a sudden taken off the market due to heart attack and death. Class action suits followed. I see it quite frequently in my inbox. I still live with chronic nerve pain and will resist any prescribed meds after reading the numerous side effects. I have taken pills such as codeine and it has messed with my stomach and had a paradoxical rebound, which means works opposite of what was intended. My last resort will be marijuana, as I used it many years ago and it relieved my pain as the more pain you are in the more you stiffen up. I would prefer the pill form of marijuana as I know it does hurt the lungs. K to you....
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Post by diamonds on Jul 10, 2011 17:21:08 GMT -5
As far as driving while using marijuana, that is out of the question. However, while taking Vicoden and driving to physical therapy years ago I turned left into oncoming traffic and was lucky no one was coming the other way. So, as far as as the Big Revenue to the Pharma Companies, they will not get my mine.
*btw, I do not believe that marijuana messes with the brain as much as some of the ant-psychotic drugs or even anti-depressants. I had a scrip for nerve pain which was a tri-cyclic and when I read the insert, it said could cause suicidal thoughts, I dumped them. Enuff said, my experiences and the lesser of these strong chemical prescriptions is weed.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 10, 2011 19:56:26 GMT -5
An interesting dilemma, California for some time has promoted campaigns against smoking. Now they want to legalize weed. Do you see a contradiction here? Any smoke in the lungs is an irritant that causes health problems. So how do they justify one over the other?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2011 20:10:56 GMT -5
i also agree with lonewolf. said so earlier this thread. i just think it is silly to criminalize an activity in which 40% of our citizenry has partaken. I think maybe it is question of abuse ...much like alcohol consumption when used in excess it could be a problem..so why doesn't this same idea apply to smoking marijuana..?? And you have the problem with kids binge drinking and smoking to get completely stoned....is that not a similar comparison.. so maybe the old adage everything in moderation may apply, I guess/ i think abuse is an abused term. the vast majority of drug use is recreational. but furthermore, anyone who is seriously interested in abuse should go after drugs that have the most potential for abuse. unfortunately, they are already legal.
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 10, 2011 20:11:39 GMT -5
Handyman2:
Interestingly, they are also working to ban the 'electronic cigarettes' in CA, regardless that these new delivery devices give only nicotine, and not the alleged carcinogens responsible for second hand smoke health concerns.
Clearly, these liberal concerns are based on obsessive hatred of tobacco products, just like some conservatives base their obsessive hatred of cannabis products.
Science has become irrelevant. Emotions rule the day.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2011 20:12:13 GMT -5
What the hell. Karma for dj. Just because he won't give a shit. it is true. the more popular my views are, the less i like myself.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2011 20:14:48 GMT -5
Two things on some of the researchy things posted. 1) there is always some impact of a drug. If you note though, the amounts and effects make canibus comparable to alcohol , not heroin and opium with which it is classified. 2) there will always be correlation between alcohol/ similar drugs .... And psychosis...because people with those problems frequently choose to self medicate 3) when you look at self meding with canibus... It actually has a lot less... And less harsh... Impact than what pharma is currently pushing. Exactly!!! I have had many pain medications due to prior back surgeries and the side effects of the opiates were extremely addictive and impossible to break without going to detox. A lot of the meds that were approved by the FDA were all of a sudden taken off the market due to heart attack and death. Class action suits followed. I see it quite frequently in my inbox. I still live with chronic nerve pain and will resist any prescribed meds after reading the numerous side effects. I have taken pills such as codeine and it has messed with my stomach and had a paradoxical rebound, which means works opposite of what was intended. My last resort will be marijuana, as I used it many years ago and it relieved my pain as the more pain you are in the more you stiffen up. I would prefer the pill form of marijuana as I know it does hurt the lungs. K to you.... there is actually no evidence that it hurts the lungs. there is some evidence that it helps prevent cancer, however. ;] (NIH study, 2006, i believe)
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2011 20:16:50 GMT -5
An interesting dilemma, California for some time has promoted campaigns against smoking. Now they want to legalize weed. Do you see a contradiction here? Any smoke in the lungs is an irritant that causes health problems. So how do they justify one over the other? there is no evidence that pot has any serious long term medical impacts to the respiratory system. and with pot getting more potent, less and less is being consumed, so the risks are dropping. there is ample evidence that tobacco does. and it is infintely more habit forming. and legal. i see no contradiction whatsoever. but after all....i am DJ LungRot. nobody cares what i say. ;]
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Post by verrip1 on Jul 10, 2011 20:18:08 GMT -5
it is true. the more popular my views are, the less i like myself. You do realize how much self control I need when you make posts like this one.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 10, 2011 20:18:44 GMT -5
it is true. the more popular my views are, the less i like myself. You do realize how much self control I need when you make posts like this one. i have a vague idea, yeah.
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Post by midjd on Jul 10, 2011 21:59:14 GMT -5
I believe cannabis is more effective when ingested, rather than smoked (and of course for immuno-suppressed patients, smoking is a bad idea...) There was a documentary on a dispensary in California that made brownies, cookies, pancake batter, candy bars, etc. out of marijuana. You get the pain-relieving and appetite stimulating effects without the lung damage.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 9:00:42 GMT -5
I believe cannabis is more effective when ingested, rather than smoked (and of course for immuno-suppressed patients, smoking is a bad idea...) There was a documentary on a dispensary in California that made brownies, cookies, pancake batter, candy bars, etc. out of marijuana. You get the pain-relieving and appetite stimulating effects without the lung damage. I believe smoking cannabis sucks but if this is your thing then enjoy yourself......there are other things in life much more enjoyable than wanting to get high or using cannabis as a drug for what ails you.. IMHO, P.I. ( Anti-Smoking Zealot)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 9:10:00 GMT -5
I guess you never have a beer or a glass of wine PI?
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 9:17:09 GMT -5
For the most part, those who can benefit from the medicinal properties of cannibis are chronically ill. They're already spending a bloody fortune on medications (or, in many cases, we are subsidizing said medications). If a naturally available product they can grow themselves will help with their conditions, why on earth should it be denied them? It just doesn't make any damned sense to me!
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 9:36:15 GMT -5
I guess you never have a beer or a glass of wine PI? What does this question have to do with the OP Re: " Ok This really ticks me off".. ?
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Post by swamp on Jul 11, 2011 9:48:27 GMT -5
I guess you never have a beer or a glass of wine PI? What does this question have to do with the OP Re: " Ok This really ticks me off".. ? Beer or wine is legal, and arguably the side effects, potential for addiction, and destructiveness to society of alcohol is much greater than that of marijuana.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 9:53:44 GMT -5
What does this question have to do with the OP Re: " Ok This really ticks me off".. ? Beer or wine is legal, and arguably the side effects, potential for addiction, and destructiveness to society of alcohol is much greater than that of marijuana. Do you have a link or study to back up your claim or is it just conjecture on your part again?
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Post by swamp on Jul 11, 2011 9:55:45 GMT -5
Beer or wine is legal, and arguably the side effects, potential for addiction, and destructiveness to society of alcohol is much greater than that of marijuana. Do you have a link or study to back up your claim or is it just conjecture on your part again? Extensive personal use of both substances as well as 15 years in the criminal justice system. Some drunk people get violent. I've never ever ever ever seen a stoned (just stoned, not mixing of drugs) person get violent. I think several of the previous posts have made the same point. I'm not sure the gov should be funding studies about who is easier to deal with, drunks or stoners.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 9:57:06 GMT -5
For the most part, those who can benefit from the medicinal properties of cannibis are chronically ill. They're already spending a bloody fortune on medications (or, in many cases, we are subsidizing said medications). If a naturally available product they can grow themselves will help with their conditions, why on earth should it be denied them? It just doesn't make any damned sense to me! Yeah, it is all over-blown really. There is research that milk causes cancer, I guess we should make that illegal too. There are pesticides and herbicides in your conventional food that also cause cancer, guess we should make that illegal too. 100's of more prescription drugs have worse side effects that marijuana, but as long as a bought out government agency says they are alright then it is good. I would be willing to bet that there has been more deaths by intake of pharmaceutical drugs than marijuana. Most people just believe what the masses think or base it on a certain event that happened. Like one person crippled a person in a car accident and marijuana was the cause. Planes have crashed because of mechanical failures and cause harm, does that make them bad? All it takes is a little rational thought, but most people aren't capable of that. Look, if you do anything excessively it is going to cause problems. If you work out 7 days a week with no rest, your muscles will tear to much and will eventually cause injuries. If you drink 5 gallons of milk in a day you will more than likely have health issues. Of course marijuana is going to harm you if you do it excessively.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2011 9:59:12 GMT -5
Of course there are more death by intake of phrma drugs than marijuana... there is NO KNOW overdose level of MJ... any death associated would have to be to secondary causes...
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 9:59:40 GMT -5
A person can die with an overdose of insulin. Is that to mean we make insulin illegal? It makes no damned sense, people!
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Post by swamp on Jul 11, 2011 10:05:01 GMT -5
From what I'm seeing in my line of work, the most addictive/potentially harmful drugs are prescription opiates like Oxy's. People do some really nasty stuff to get their fix. There is also the propensity for OD. DH works in as a pharmacist in a small rural hospital, and they get 2-3 OD's some weekends.
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