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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 10:19:27 GMT -5
Of course there are more death by intake of phrma drugs than marijuana... there is NO KNOW overdose level of MJ... any death associated would have to be to secondary causes... Yeah, more than likely you would pass out asleep before you could ever get to that level.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 10:27:13 GMT -5
From what I'm seeing in my line of work, the most addictive/potentially harmful drugs are prescription opiates like Oxy's. People do some really nasty stuff to get their fix. There is also the propensity for OD. DH works in as a pharmacist in a small rural hospital, and they get 2-3 OD's some weekends. Yeah, my cousin ended up getting addicted to cocaine and crack, but he died from the pill addiction he received from re-hab. He was only 25 by the way, he was mechanical inclined, he tore laser welding machines apart and put them back together with ease. The weird thing is that the drugs really didn't effect his mechanical abilities at all(which was crazy to me).
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 10:28:16 GMT -5
A person can die with an overdose of insulin. Is that to mean we make insulin illegal? It makes no damned sense, people! no, it doesn't. pot has significantly less medical risk than ASPRIN.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 10:29:32 GMT -5
A person can die with an overdose of insulin. Is that to mean we make insulin illegal? It makes no damned sense, people! ROFL, I like it mmhmm. Maybe if they make insulin illegal, then they can create medical machines to go into our body stop the insulin producing. That would take care of all of the obesity, unfortunately we would die though .
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 10:29:55 GMT -5
Of course there are more death by intake of phrma drugs than marijuana... there is NO KNOW overdose level of MJ... any death associated would have to be to secondary causes... correct. there are also very few medical risks associated with it. certainly none that would beg a class 1 narcotic status.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 10:31:02 GMT -5
A person can die with an overdose of insulin. Is that to mean we make insulin illegal? It makes no damned sense, people! no, it doesn't. pot has significantly less medical risk than ASPRIN. Wow, good thing I don't take aspirin. lol
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 10:31:05 GMT -5
Yes, dj, it does. I'm not a user, and don't wish, or need to be. However, if I suffered from chronic pain, or chronic nausea/vomiting, I'd certainly consider that alternative before considering many of those offered through pharmaceuticals. I cannot for the life of me understand why people don't get this!
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Post by swamp on Jul 11, 2011 10:31:32 GMT -5
A person can die with an overdose of insulin. Is that to mean we make insulin illegal? It makes no damned sense, people! ROFL, I like it mmhmm. Maybe if they make insulin illegal, then they can create medical machines to go into our body stop the insulin producing. That would take care of all of the obesity, unfortunately we would die though . At least you're a good looking skinny dead.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 10:59:57 GMT -5
ROFL, I like it mmhmm. Maybe if they make insulin illegal, then they can create medical machines to go into our body stop the insulin producing. That would take care of all of the obesity, unfortunately we would die though . At least you're a good looking skinny dead. Actually I want them to stuff me full of twinkies to see how long my body preserves for. Sorry off topic
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 11, 2011 11:19:18 GMT -5
Aspirin is fine, reason. Like anything else, if misused (too much taken) it can cause bleeding as it interferes with platelet aggregation. It's an important adjunct, however, in cardiac care.
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Post by handyman2 on Jul 11, 2011 11:30:27 GMT -5
So what would making weed legal accomplish? Will it do away with the criminal element in the business? No they will still black market the drug to adults and teens they will just undercut the government tax. will it make any reduction in illegal drug convictions? very little because many weed smokers also use other illegal drugs. I do not buy the argument that weed is harmless. I have seen the results. But if a person wants to smoke the stuff don't send me the bill for your later in life health problems. To me any one using illegal drugs of any kind should not be elgible for health insurance or free health care. You are on your own in my view.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 11:41:45 GMT -5
So what would making weed legal accomplish? Will it do away with the criminal element in the business? No they will still black market the drug to adults and teens they will just undercut the government tax. will it make any reduction in illegal drug convictions? very little because many weed smokers also use other illegal drugs. I do not buy the argument that weed is harmless. I have seen the results. But if a person wants to smoke the stuff don't send me the bill for your later in life health problems. To me any one using illegal drugs of any kind should not be elgible for health insurance or free health care. You are on your own in my view. So, your saying bootleggers are frequent then undercutting the government with liquor or cigarettes? Your telling me there really is no significant revenue from cigarette tax, because tobacco farmers are selling it black market? Bad logic.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 11:59:13 GMT -5
So what would making weed legal accomplish? Will it do away with the criminal element in the business? No they will still black market the drug to adults and teens they will just undercut the government tax. will it make any reduction in illegal drug convictions? very little because many weed smokers also use other illegal drugs. I do not buy the argument that weed is harmless. I have seen the results. But if a person wants to smoke the stuff don't send me the bill for your later in life health problems. To me any one using illegal drugs of any kind should not be elgible for health insurance or free health care. You are on your own in my view. I feel the same way about people that eat processed food and twinkies, they should not be eligible for health insurance or free healthcare. They are killing themselves just as bad as the one that moderately smoke marijuana. I would willing put up my blood tests compared to one that eats processed foods all of the time, I am pretty darn positive I would win every time too.
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Post by swamp on Jul 11, 2011 12:03:46 GMT -5
So what would making weed legal accomplish? Will it do away with the criminal element in the business? No they will still black market the drug to adults and teens they will just undercut the government tax. will it make any reduction in illegal drug convictions? very little because many weed smokers also use other illegal drugs. I do not buy the argument that weed is harmless. I have seen the results. But if a person wants to smoke the stuff don't send me the bill for your later in life health problems. To me any one using illegal drugs of any kind should not be elgible for health insurance or free health care. You are on your own in my view. So, your saying bootleggers are frequent then undercutting the government with liquor or cigarettes? Your telling me there really is no significant revenue from cigarette tax, because tobacco farmers are selling it black market? Bad logic. Actually, untaxed cigarettes are a huge business on the Indian Reservations...............
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 12:12:27 GMT -5
So, your saying bootleggers are frequent then undercutting the government with liquor or cigarettes? Your telling me there really is no significant revenue from cigarette tax, because tobacco farmers are selling it black market? Bad logic. Actually, untaxed cigarettes are a huge business on the Indian Reservations............... Cherokee here I a come. Oh, wait I don't smoke lol. How many reservations are there in the U.S.?
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Post by swamp on Jul 11, 2011 12:14:01 GMT -5
Actually, untaxed cigarettes are a huge business on the Indian Reservations............... Cherokee here I a come. Oh, wait I don't smoke lol. How many reservations are there in the U.S.? I dunno, but there are 2 in NY that I'm referring to, Akwesasne on the NY/Canada border, and the Onondaga Territory near Syracuse.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 12:45:38 GMT -5
no, it doesn't. pot has significantly less medical risk than ASPRIN. Wow, good thing I don't take aspirin. lol hehehe.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 12:48:38 GMT -5
Yes, dj, it does. I'm not a user, and don't wish, or need to be. However, if I suffered from chronic pain, or chronic nausea/vomiting, I'd certainly consider that alternative before considering many of those offered through pharmaceuticals. I cannot for the life of me understand why people don't get this! pot is great for nausea. it is great for wasting syndrome for cancer patients, and is not itself a procuring cause of cancer. it is also a good inhibitor for the onset of glaucoma. and, finally, it has little or no known chronic effects from usage, and no known toxicity, even in megadoses. if ever there were a case for America falling for a sucker bet on making a substance illegal, this is it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 12:51:49 GMT -5
So what would making weed legal accomplish? Will it do away with the criminal element in the business? No they will still black market the drug to adults and teens they will just undercut the government tax. why? there is a reason the call it "weed" handyman. ANYONE can grow it. and because of that fact, the price of pot would fall to near zero overnight if it was made legal. in that scenario, what reason would anyone have to deal it? "pssst- hey buddy- want to buy a POUND of grade A weed? five bucks, bro- five bucks"..... i mean....LOL. seriously. but the most important reason is this: a person should be able to whatever he wishes with his person or property so long as he is not harming the person or property of a non-consenting other.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 12:53:44 GMT -5
What about all the studies that show marijuana is not effective as a drug for cancer patients??? Marijuana cigarettes have been used to treat chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, and research has shown that THC is more quickly absorbed from marijuana smoke than from an oral preparation. However, any antiemetic effects of smoking marijuana may not be consistent because of varying potency, depending on the source of the marijuana contained in the cigarette. To address issues surrounding the medical uses of marijuana, the National Institutes of Health convened a meeting in February 1997 to review the scientific data concerning its potential therapeutic uses and explore the need for additional research. The group of experts concluded that more and better studies are needed to fully evaluate the potential use of marijuana as supportive care for cancer patients. www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/marijuana
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 12:56:51 GMT -5
So what would making weed legal accomplish? Will it do away with the criminal element in the business? No they will still black market the drug to adults and teens they will just undercut the government tax. why? there is a reason the call it "weed" handyman. ANYONE can grow it. and because of that fact, the price of pot would fall to near zero overnight if it was made legal. in that scenario, what reason would anyone have to deal it? "pssst- hey buddy- want to buy a POUND of grade A weed? five bucks, bro- five bucks"..... i mean....LOL. seriously. but the most important reason is this: a person should be able to whatever he wishes with his person or property so long as he is not harming the person or property of a non-consenting other. I would say that everybody growing it could be a slight downfall for the government taxing it, but then again the majority of our population want the easy button(laziness).
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 13:04:38 GMT -5
What about all the studies that show marijuana is not effective as a drug for cancer patients??? Marijuana cigarettes have been used to treat chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, and research has shown that THC is more quickly absorbed from marijuana smoke than from an oral preparation. However, any antiemetic effects of smoking marijuana may not be consistent because of varying potency, depending on the source of the marijuana contained in the cigarette. To address issues surrounding the medical uses of marijuana, the National Institutes of Health convened a meeting in February 1997 to review the scientific data concerning its potential therapeutic uses and explore the need for additional research. The group of experts concluded that more and better studies are needed to fully evaluate the potential use of marijuana as supportive care for cancer patients. www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/marijuanaThat is a government website, do you have any sites that aren't biased. Like university researches or medical institution research facilities. I am sorry but I just don't have much faith in our government giving unbiased information on a subject that could point out how pointless their law is.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 13:10:57 GMT -5
What about all the studies that show marijuana is not effective as a drug for cancer patients??? Marijuana cigarettes have been used to treat chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, and research has shown that THC is more quickly absorbed from marijuana smoke than from an oral preparation. However, any antiemetic effects of smoking marijuana may not be consistent because of varying potency, depending on the source of the marijuana contained in the cigarette. To address issues surrounding the medical uses of marijuana, the National Institutes of Health convened a meeting in February 1997 to review the scientific data concerning its potential therapeutic uses and explore the need for additional research. The group of experts concluded that more and better studies are needed to fully evaluate the potential use of marijuana as supportive care for cancer patients. www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/marijuanaThat is a government website, do you have any sites that aren't biased. Like university researches or medical institution research facilities. I am sorry but I just don't have much faith in our government giving unbiased information on a subject that could point out how pointless their law is. Yea but you didn't like them either But the fact remains as of now that marijuana is an illegal drug...so it's sale and use is a crime but if you feel this law is unjust or unconstitutional then what can I say...if you feel you can ignore out laws or above them then Good Luck to you...end of discussion C'Ya www.marijuana-info.orgirp.drugabuse.gov/
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 13:23:55 GMT -5
Beer or wine is legal, and arguably the side effects, potential for addiction, and destructiveness to society of alcohol is much greater than that of marijuana. Do you have a link or study to back up your claim or is it just conjecture on your part again? it is absolutely not conjecture. marijuana is considered non-addictive in the clinical sense (it has no physical withdrawl symptoms). in addition there are no known chronic health effects for pot. alcohol, on the other hand, leads to many debilitating and chronic long term diseases, including heart and liver failure. and it is quite addictive, as well. so, if your decision for whether to make a drug legal or not is driven by these considerations, then pot should be legal, and alcohol, not.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 13:26:40 GMT -5
Of course there are more death by intake of phrma drugs than marijuana... there is NO KNOW overdose level of MJ... any death associated would have to be to secondary causes... true. in addition, mj INHIBITS cancer growth: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htmit is funny how much misinformation there is out there about this drug. actually, it is not funny. it is perverse, imo.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 13:31:04 GMT -5
What about all the studies that show marijuana is not effective as a drug for cancer patients??? Marijuana cigarettes have been used to treat chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, and research has shown that THC is more quickly absorbed from marijuana smoke than from an oral preparation. However, any antiemetic effects of smoking marijuana may not be consistent because of varying potency, depending on the source of the marijuana contained in the cigarette. To address issues surrounding the medical uses of marijuana, the National Institutes of Health convened a meeting in February 1997 to review the scientific data concerning its potential therapeutic uses and explore the need for additional research. The group of experts concluded that more and better studies are needed to fully evaluate the potential use of marijuana as supportive care for cancer patients. www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/marijuanathe 1997 NIH study was superceded by the 2007 one in which it was shown that pot not only had a positive impact on tumor growth (surprising result) but that it had no chronic or contributory effects to cancer patients. furthermore, the aerosol version of marijuana (aka smoking) has been shown to be much more affective than the ingested variety for nausea treatment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jul 11, 2011 13:32:23 GMT -5
That is a government website, do you have any sites that aren't biased. Like university researches or medical institution research facilities. I am sorry but I just don't have much faith in our government giving unbiased information on a subject that could point out how pointless their law is. Yea but you didn't like them either But the fact remains as of now that marijuana is an illegal drug...so it's sale and use is a crime but if you feel this law is unjust or unconstitutional then what can I say...if you feel you can ignore out laws or above them then Good Luck to you...end of discussion C'Ya www.marijuana-info.orgirp.drugabuse.gov/i think it is no more illegal in Cali at this point than running a stopsign.
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 13:38:29 GMT -5
That is a government website, do you have any sites that aren't biased. Like university researches or medical institution research facilities. I am sorry but I just don't have much faith in our government giving unbiased information on a subject that could point out how pointless their law is. Yea but you didn't like them either But the fact remains as of now that marijuana is an illegal drug...so it's sale and use is a crime but if you feel this law is unjust or unconstitutional then what can I say...if you feel you can ignore out laws or above them then Good Luck to you...end of discussion C'Ya www.marijuana-info.orgirp.drugabuse.gov/Yeah, I know the whole law deal that you like repeating yourself on that, and the fact that you don't like it. Acting like a parrot doesn't really show good logic. Oh, like I will believe end of discussion you said that before too.
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Post by privateinvestor on Jul 11, 2011 13:38:41 GMT -5
The problem in California is the jails are over crowded with drug arrests so the state is letting a lot of drug dealers and uses go free which has seen an increase in crime in the South Bay of San Francisco CA....we have more strong armed robberies and home break ins lately by the newly released drug parolees....so again will legalizing marijuana help or hinder the crime rates?? I have no idea and don't think anyone has but would like to see it if available
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Post by reasonfreedom on Jul 11, 2011 13:43:39 GMT -5
The problem in California is the jails are over crowded with drug arrests so the state is letting a lot of drug dealers and uses go free which has seen an increase in crime in the South Bay of San Francisco CA....we have more strong armed robberies and home break ins lately by the newly released drug parolees....so again will legalizing marijuana help or hinder the crime rates?? I have no idea and don't think anyone has but would like to see it if available You know how many different drugs there are out there, you use the word "drug" and then frame it as it only pertains to marijuana. I would like to see the statistics that show that the people released smoked marijuana only, without dealing or doing any other drugs. Or if those people released had any other misdemeanor charges.
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