Obama's "new" Egypt: leader denies holocaust

[ed1066]

Remember the "freedom revolution" Obama and the liberals supported in Egypt? Now, the terrorist-supporting Muslim Brotherhood (backed by Obama) is aligning with the holocaust-denying Wafd party to make a bid to take control of Egypt. Great job, Democrats!

Not surprisingly, this guy shares a lot of views about 9/11 with some of Obama's pals like Van Jones and other liberal Obama supporters here in the US. Namely, that Israel and the US were behind the 9/11 attacks (something believed by at least one frequent poster here) and that the CIA and Mossad colluded to steal artifacts and bury them on Jewish land to perpetuate claims of historical occupation.

www.theblaze.com/stories/egyptian-party-leader-claims-holocaust-is-a-lie-911-was-made-in-the-u-s-a/

It’s hard to imagine people in the modern age claiming — with a straight face –that the Holocaust never occurred. Yet, this is exactly what Ahmed Ezz El-Arab, a vice chairman of Egypt’s Wafd Party, believes. In addition to dubbing this monumental historical occurrence “a lie,” in a recent interview with The Washington Times, the political leader claims that Anne Frank’s memoir is “a fake” and that the 9/11 attacks were “made in the U.S.A.”

These curious comments were made while Ezz El-Arab was, quite ironically, attending the Conference on Democracy and Human Rights in the Budapest, Hungary. The Times has more:

He denied that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews during World War II.

“The Holocaust is a lie” Mr. Ezz El-Arab said. “The Jews under German occupation were 2.4 million. So if they were all exterminated, where does the remaining 3.6 million come from?”

Mr. Ezz El-Arab said he accepted that the Nazis killed “hundreds of thousands” of Jews. “But gas chambers and skinning them alive and all this? Fanciful stories,” he added.

When it comes to Anne Frank’s famed memoir, “The Diary of Anne Frank,” which Ezz El-Arab claims he studied as a doctoral student in Stockholm, he believes the young girl was present, but says, “I could swear to God it’s a fake.”

But, his opinions on important world events don’t end there. In addressing 9/11, he claims that Osama bin Laden was not responsible for the attacks. He told the Times, “He could not have the know-how or the ability to do it,” then he dubbed bin Laden “an American agent.” Instead of placing blame on the deceased terror leader, Ezz El-Arab claims that the CIA, Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency and the “military-industrial complex” are responsible.

[deziloooooo]

ed the article is a disturbing one..especially if the Wafed party's vice chairman gets to be a important part of the new Egyptian government, but to keep saying that Obama backed the party, is so much BS and not so..

What he did say, and I am paraphrasing now, that they have a right , Muslim Brother hood, to run for office, as all other parties in Egypt, it is Egypt's decision as to who and how they run their elections, not ours..and for us to meddle in those elections is not right and won't be happening.

That the article you posted, if he did say all those things, well he is just nuts and is spewing the line of all apologist of the Holacaust..if what he claims would only be true, not the deaths of 6 million plus, Ann Frank, who he admits was probably a person, did not die in Bergen Belson just before the end of the war and went on to have a full life with a husband, children, grand children, possible having a productive life as a author , she showed such a skill for writing from her Diary, but all that did not happen.

The 6 million plus did die, gas chambers were used, were he got the BS of skinning alive , another paranoid made up action, and Ann Frank did die as we all know and where and when..

Your continuous push of all things Obama , Democrats, as the ills of the world, and to use in the context of these terrible events, really P me off ed, you degenerate the loss of these innocents and belittle them, just to continue your diatribe against a person, politicals you are not happy with.

I resent it..

I wish the mods here felt the same as I. Not for your BS which you spout on most of your posts , few pay attention to that after all this time, just ed isms, but to insult the memory of these people who died horrible deaths and torture before , by having their lives uprooted , torn from their loving families.

To be faced by yelling Jack Booted armed guards, soldiers into their peaceful civilien lifes, attack, dogs, humiliation in their treatment, torn from their warm homes, their sanctuarys that we all feel toward our homes, the long cold train rides to their final destination with no food water, less care given them then cattle who are sent to the slaughter houses..and then the final solution at the end of the ride..being hit and whipped into lines for the selection, many times done with in hours of their arrival..stripped naked into lines, mothers comforting their children as best they can as they were marched to their deaths, to even consider what they went through and then you using their ordeal to push some twisted political notion of yours.

It is a insult and a abomination in my mind, what you do, even though others , readers and moderators probably don't see it that way, feel you are a amusing chap.

ed , your not amusing.

[ed1066]

Nice rant, Dezi, but I did not support the ousting of Mubarak to be replaced with holocaust-denying and terrorist-supporting radicals. The Democrats, led by Obama, did that. If anyone sullies the memories of those lost in the holocaust, it is those who carelessly and recklessly set the stage for these kinds of animals to come out of the shadows, and sorry to say, Obama went on national television and publicly called for Mubarak to step down. Now, either he knew who was waiting in the wings, which makes him complicit, or he didn't know, which makes him reckless and, as usual, short-sighted and arrogant.

Your anger is misdirected. You should be angry that our president ran interference for a group of terrorists and possibly enabled these radicals to come to power and spread their poison...but your pathological need to defend everything Obama does clouds your judgement...

[deziloooooo]

It seems you are one who believes if they post what is not true long enough after a while it becomes the truth...or your trying to re write history..

Your paranoia on Obama , the liberals, democrats or anyone who doesn't belive your rants is beyond belief and in the case of the removal of Mubarak..that was a Egyptian event, and how you think we could have prevented it is beyond me..

As far as you supporting the removal of Mubarak or not, no one asked you, you and I had no say in the matter..the Egyptian people and then the military did that..no matter what you might have wanted.

Lets face it, all you care of is is how everything relates to Israels welfare..nothing else, and it's true that Mubarak in power would be best from Israels standpoint but as you had no say in the matter , neither did they, or the wishes for or against by our POTUS or our countrys wants..it did not concern us.

My anger at you is when you , in your rants of the same anti Obama BS , liberals, democrats or any one who has a question regarding Israel and those questions might , just might , call into question some of their doings , you go off on your rants again as they , those with questions, are anti semetic, they are in favor of the Palastinian cause over the Israeli's and to bring in the Holocaust, those who were affected by , it as if the decisions of our current leader was a affirmation of these idiotic ideas of this Egyptian , what he is espousing is a abomination to me..

You will post anything in your paranoia and when you step over the line , I will call you out on it..your not amusing, your anything but , when you pick such a topic for your continuouse BS.

[ugonow]

Mubarak was a dictator that was robbing his country blind.To paint him as a great leasder is a shame.Did people really expect the US to go in and help quash the uprising to prop him up? If we did the same people crying about poor Mubarak being a great ally now would be crying about us propping him up, if we did. JMO, of course.

[cme1201]

Keep it to the article and keep it off of personal or I'll lock this thread

Cme1201 - Moderator P&M

[ed1066]

Mubarak was a dictator that was robbing his country blind.To paint him as a great leasder is a shame.Did people really expect the US to go in and help quash the uprising to prop him up? If we did the same people crying about poor Mubarak being a great ally now would be crying about us propping him up, if we did.

I agree with you, we should have played no role in this affair. However, and this is what relates to the article in the OP, Obama did in fact choose to take a stand, get involved, and publicly call for the ouster of Mubarak. He stepped in and took a side. As I mentioned before, if Obama knew who was waiting to take over (the Muslim Brotherhood and radicals like those mentioned in the article), then he was complicit in creating the current situation. If he did not know who was waiting, then he should have stayed OUT and kept his mouth SHUT. But, this is what happens when a narcissist has power, they need to get involved...

[privateinvestor]

Obama's "new" Egypt: leader denies holocaust (

He is not the only one in the ME who denies the holocaust ed as you know ....

So also does Ahmadinejab, Hamas, Hezballah, and etc who want to wipe Israel off the face of the map

[deziloooooo]

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Since no elections have been held yet, not even all the political parties have been formed..I see no 'Egyptian Leader ' on the scene, just a candidate..the Military with a council of burocrats seem to still be in charge..so don't understand the post above..

[ed1066]

What makes you think there are going to be any elections?

[privateinvestor]

Egyptian Party Leader Claims Holocaust is ‘a Lie,’ 9/11 Was ‘Made in the U.S.A.’
Arab said. “It’s a sacred cow. The ‘6 million’ is a sacred cow.”

Amr Bargisi, a former Wafd youth leader, said that while Mr. Ezz El-Arab himself does not have a major constituency in Egypt or within the party itself, his views on the Holocaust do.

“The vast majority of Egyptians think the Holocaust never happened,” Mr. Bargisi told The Times. “The fact that his presence in the party hierarchy hasn’t caused any objections tells you something about the farcical nature of Egyptian politics.”

In the interview, Mr. Ezz El-Arab also said that Osama bin Laden was not behind the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

“He could not have the know-how or the ability to do it,” he said, even though he called the dead al Qaeda leader “an American agent.”

“If he had the ability, one plane only landing on the Knesset would give more effect,” Mr. Ezz El-Arab said.

Asked who was responsible for the attacks, Mr. Ezz El-Arab identified the CIA, Israel’s Mossad intelligence service, and the “military-industrial complex.” (AUDIO: on 9/11)

Mr. Ezz El-Arab spoke of “the intelligent American elite that is ruling” and said it had responded to the “disaster” of President George W. Bush by electing Barack Obama president: “Obama is a nice face that has been brought up, the black rabbit taken out of the American hat when it was needed.” (AUDIO: on President Obama)

Mr. Ezz El-Arab also claimed that, during the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, “American soldiers with double Israeli nationality and Jewish religion” stole Jewish antiquities from the Babylonian exile period and had them reburied in Jerusalem to cement the Jewish historical claim on the city.

“It’s not a kind of monument robbery for selling in the black market,” he said. “The things they took from Babel, they took with the intention — to my judgment — of digging it under the Aqsa mosque [site of Jerusalem’s Temple Mount] so that when it’s discovered, they say, ‘Here was the temple.’ ” (AUDIO: on ‘double Israeli nationality’)

Despite the claim, Mr. Ezz El-Arab said he thinks that there once was a Jewish temple in Jerusalem and that Israeli Jews deserve to stay put.

“The Jews are there,” he said. “Good or bad, they are there. You cannot as a human being think of exterminating 6 million or 5 million or whatever. That’s crazy.”



www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/5/egypt-party-leader-holocaust-is-a-lie/?page=all#pagebreak

[billisonboard]

Jul 6, 2011 14:58:12 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Egyptian Party Leader Claims Holocaust is ‘a Lie,’ 9/11 Was ‘Made in the U.S.A.’

Check out the comments made by the United States Party Leader when that United States Party is the "American Nazi Party" www.americannaziparty.com/

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It’s hard to imagine people in the modern age claiming — with a straight face –that the Holocaust never occurred. Yet, this is exactly what Ahmed Ezz El-Arab, a vice chairman of Egypt’s Wafd Party, believes. In addition to dubbing this monumental historical occurrence “a lie,” in a recent interview with The Washington Times, the political leader claims that Anne Frank’s memoir is “a fake” and that the 9/11 attacks were “made in the U.S.A.”

A nutjob Arab that hates the U.S. Quick, let's send him some money & arms. Or maybe we will let Bomben Obama take him out? Is he in a country we are at war with? He doesn't have to be.....If he is next to a country that we are at war with we can go get him (& kill him of course).

[privateinvestor]

A nutjob Arab that hates the U.S. Quick, let's send him some money & arms

You are a day late and a few dollars short because we probably already have given this nutjob Arab money and arms...But one has to wonder if these Arabs make that claim about the Holocaust and 9/11 just to win favor with the Islamic Fundamentalists who probably spew that vile and hatred every day in their Mosques???

I think trying to understand why the Islamic Fundamentalists hate the Jews so much would be a long and detailed study going back centuries in the Middle East History..

[Deleted]

I know we like to think we are in charge of everyone... but its EGYPT's new Egypt leader... whoever they eventually end up choosing for themselves...

[ed1066]

Jul 6, 2011 15:05:08 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 6, 2011 14:58:12 GMT -5 @privateinvestor said:

Egyptian Party Leader Claims Holocaust is ‘a Lie,’ 9/11 Was ‘Made in the U.S.A.’

Check out the comments made by the United States Party Leader when that United States Party is the "American Nazi Party" www.americannaziparty.com/

Now imagine that guy was poised to become the next US president. That's what Egypt is looking at, and that's what Obama knowingly or unknowingly set in motion when he publicly took a side on the Egypt conflict...

[billisonboard]

Jul 6, 2011 15:45:56 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 6, 2011 15:05:08 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Check out the comments made by the United States Party Leader when that United States Party is the "American Nazi Party" www.americannaziparty.com/

Now imagine that guy was poised to become the next US president. That's what Egypt is looking at, ...

Not according to this:

Mr. Ezz El-Arab himself does not have a major constituency in Egypt or within the party itself, (from the article in reply #10)

[mmhmm]

Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me. We have all sorts of "what if", "probably", "maybe", and "imagine this <insert horror>". What we don't have is an elected Egyptian leader to gripe about (or laud, for that matter).

[ed1066]

Jul 6, 2011 16:15:38 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me. We have all sorts of "what if", "probably", "maybe", and "imagine this <insert horror>". What we don't have is an elected Egyptian leader to gripe about (or laud, for that matter).

Right, better to wait until the Muslim Brotherhood or some other holocaust-denying jihadists actually have legitimate power in Egypt. Then Obama can make a sympathetic face and do nothing...

[billisonboard]

Jul 6, 2011 16:18:05 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 6, 2011 16:15:38 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me. We have all sorts of "what if", "probably", "maybe", and "imagine this <insert horror>". What we don't have is an elected Egyptian leader to gripe about (or laud, for that matter).

Right, better to wait until the Muslim Brotherhood or some other holocaust-denying jihadists actually have legitimate power in Egypt. Then Obama can make a sympathetic face and do nothing...

True ed. You leading the invasion this time?

[mmhmm]

It's not our country, Ed. It's their country. They can elect whomever they wish to lead them, just as we elect those who lead us. What would you have other countries do? Egypt isn't slave to any of us and will do what she decides is right for her. How other countries interrelate with Egypt now, and in future, is up to the governments of those countries.

[ed1066]

Jul 6, 2011 16:20:53 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

It's not our country, Ed. It's their country. They can elect whomever they wish to lead them, just as we elect those who lead us. What would you have other countries do? Egypt isn't slave to any of us and will do what she decides is right for her. How other countries interrelate with Egypt now, and in future, is up to the governments of those countries.

True, but do you not agree that when Obama stepped up and took a public stand against Mubarak, that he emboldened the Muslim Brotherhood to take over? If he had just stayed the hell out of it, this wouldn't be an issue. Egypt could have done whatever they wished and gone to hell for all I care. But our narcissist-in-chief had to insert himself into the equation and, as always, he came down on the wrong side...he enabled the situation in Egypt. Now, you're saying we should just ignore it and let that country become another terrorist nation?

[mmhmm]

No, I do not agree. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood gave a hot damn what Obama did. The Egyptian people arose against their leadership. The Muslim Brotherhood is there and has been there, and are seeking to take advantage of the current situation. Nobody had to give them permission. They'd have done it anyway.

Again, what would you have us do, ed? Shall we go to war again and wipe out Egypt?

[ed1066]

Jul 6, 2011 16:51:56 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

No, I do not agree. I don't think the Muslim Brotherhood gave a hot damn what Obama did. The Egyptian people arose against their leadership. The Muslim Brotherhood is there and has been there, and are seeking to take advantage of the current situation. Nobody had to give them permission. They'd have done it anyway.

Again, what would you have us do, ed? Shall we go to war again and wipe out Egypt?

I see, so you believe an endorsement from the president of the United States on national television calling for the ouster of Mubarak had no bearing on the outcome of the situation? It would have gone down the same way had Obama said nothing?

[mmhmm]

Yes, ed, that's exactly what I believe. The Egyptian people had had enough of Mubarak and were willing to put their lives on the line to put an end to it.

Again, I ask you ... what would you have us do?

[billisonboard]

Jul 6, 2011 17:04:45 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Yes, ed, that's exactly what I believe. The Egyptian people had had enough of Mubarak and were willing to put their lives on the line to put an end to it.

Again, I ask you ... what would you have us do?

EDIT:
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[ed1066]

Jul 6, 2011 17:04:45 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Yes, ed, that's exactly what I believe. The Egyptian people had had enough of Mubarak and were willing to put their lives on the line to put an end to it.

Again, I ask you ... what would you have us do?

I would have us eliminate any threat to the safety and national interests of the United States and her allies...

[privateinvestor]

Jul 6, 2011 17:07:47 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Jul 6, 2011 17:04:45 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Yes, ed, that's exactly what I believe. The Egyptian people had had enough of Mubarak and were willing to put their lives on the line to put an end to it.

Again, I ask you ... what would you have us do?

I would have us eliminate any threat to the safety and national interests of the United States and her allies...

Don't forget all the billions we gave to Mubarak and the billions we continue to give to Egypt ...

[mmhmm]

And how would you have us do that, ed? Shall we nuke Egypt?

[privateinvestor]

50 billion we have given Egypt in foreign aid and look at the place what good has it done?